(03-17-2024, 09:35 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2024, 07:24 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]I don't know why some of you are talking about trading Cam. No one is trading for him. If he isn't on the team next year it's because he was cut.
True, Cam is injury-prone and his salary is going to make any trade cost prohibitive. He'll get cut to make cap room.
His salary is not guaranteed and I'd presume it would be re-worked in a hypothetical trade. More than half the teams in the league show Tackle as a need. I think the question is, are his services for 1 year here worth more than 5th-7th round pick. I'd say yes. A 4th or pick swap into the 3rd is where I'd consider it, but he has PED history so not sure how other teams view that in a trade scenario. Probably not a 4th or pick swap into the 3rd would be my guess. He also may contribute to a compensatory pick if allowed to walk next year.
Looking at the roster, I just don't see a lot of good candidates for restructures personally, so if we sign another big splash free agent Cam would be a juicy option to consider trading or cutting to create the needed space. If you're going to cut him anyway, I guess you'd take a 6th or 7th if that's all you could muster.
We may sign a few more guys, but I think we're done with the $50M contracts this offseason so probably won't be getting rid of him. They can create smaller chunks of space with Allen's eventual new deal and a few other potential cuts (Zay, RRH, Wingard, etc) if need be.
(03-18-2024, 11:58 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-17-2024, 09:35 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]True, Cam is injury-prone and his salary is going to make any trade cost prohibitive. He'll get cut to make cap room.
His salary is not guaranteed and I'd presume it would be re-worked in a hypothetical trade. More than half the teams in the league show Tackle as a need. I think the question is, are his services for 1 year here worth more than 5th-7th round pick. I'd say yes. A 4th or pick swap into the 3rd is where I'd consider it, but he has PED history so not sure how other teams view that in a trade scenario. Probably not a 4th or pick swap into the 3rd would be my guess. He also may contribute to a compensatory pick if allowed to walk next year.
Looking at the roster, I just don't see a lot of good candidates for restructures personally, so if we sign another big splash free agent Cam would be a juicy option to consider trading or cutting to create the needed space. If you're going to cut him anyway, I guess you'd take a 6th or 7th if that's all you could muster.
We may sign a few more guys, but I think we're done with the $50M contracts this offseason so probably won't be getting rid of him. They can create smaller chunks of space with Allen's eventual new deal and a few other potential cuts (Zay, RRH, Wingard, etc) if need be.
We can generate $34 million with simple restructures. A stroke of the pen.
Restructure Potential | Over the Cap
Trevis Gipson OLB from the tacks is signed
Has 11 sacks in 3 years
Chaisson replacement
(03-18-2024, 12:19 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Trevis Gipson OLB from the tacks is signed
Has 11 sacks in 3 years
Chaisson replacement
Payback for them snatching Ridley away.
I see you cooking, Trent Baalke!
(03-18-2024, 12:00 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2024, 11:58 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]His salary is not guaranteed and I'd presume it would be re-worked in a hypothetical trade. More than half the teams in the league show Tackle as a need. I think the question is, are his services for 1 year here worth more than 5th-7th round pick. I'd say yes. A 4th or pick swap into the 3rd is where I'd consider it, but he has PED history so not sure how other teams view that in a trade scenario. Probably not a 4th or pick swap into the 3rd would be my guess. He also may contribute to a compensatory pick if allowed to walk next year.
Looking at the roster, I just don't see a lot of good candidates for restructures personally, so if we sign another big splash free agent Cam would be a juicy option to consider trading or cutting to create the needed space. If you're going to cut him anyway, I guess you'd take a 6th or 7th if that's all you could muster.
We may sign a few more guys, but I think we're done with the $50M contracts this offseason so probably won't be getting rid of him. They can create smaller chunks of space with Allen's eventual new deal and a few other potential cuts (Zay, RRH, Wingard, etc) if need be.
We can generate $34 million with simple restructures. A stroke of the pen.
Restructure Potential | Over the Cap
I saw this the first time you posted it, but I think just because we can restructure certain guys doesn't mean we should, which was my point by the bolded comment. Go through the list of guys and whittle it down to ones you think are a good idea. I don't personally want to push dead cap out on guys I don't see being here beyond this year or next given Lawrence's looming deal. Also, when you add void years or later cut guys with time still left on their contract you're more likely to not see compensatory picks when you eventually part ways. We're going to be entering a period where any additional picks are going to be gold because ~20% of our cap will likely be tied up in the QB in a given year. I'd prefer the consistently competitive roster model vs big ebbs and flows of going all in in certain years and paying for it in others. The cap may be malleable and massagable by shifting cap hits between years, but it is real and we're not likely to consistently see whopping 13% increases or whatever it was as we did this year.
(03-18-2024, 12:19 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Trevis Gipson OLB from the tacks is signed
Has 11 sacks in 3 years
Chaisson replacement
Well...Bud would have been better...but the Jags can stay young with this addition. Jags literally just need him to be Arden Keys 2.0. Not as fast, but bigger.
They aren't picking Edge with the 17th pick. That ain't happening.
(03-18-2024, 02:14 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2024, 12:19 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Trevis Gipson OLB from the tacks is signed
Has 11 sacks in 3 years
Chaisson replacement
Well...Bud would have been better...but the Jags can stay young with this addition. Jags literally just need him to be Arden Keys 2.0. Not as fast, but bigger.
They aren't picking Edge with the 17th pick. That ain't happening.
Them signing THIS guy makes you that certain? This smells like a smoke cloud signing to me. The contract terms aren't out to my knowledge, but this smells like a Zero Cap Hit deal if we cut him in camp.
(03-18-2024, 12:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2024, 12:19 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Trevis Gipson OLB from the tacks is signed
Has 11 sacks in 3 years
Chaisson replacement
Payback for them snatching Ridley away.
I see you cooking, Trent Baalke!
Payback? Dude played in 8 games with the Titans and had 1 sack and 1 solo tackle + 5 assisted tackles. We should really try and screw over the Titans by signing some other players that sucked for them too.
(03-18-2024, 04:14 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2024, 12:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Payback for them snatching Ridley away.
I see you cooking, Trent Baalke!
Payback? Dude played in 8 games with the Titans and had 1 sack and 1 solo tackle + 5 assisted tackles. We should really try and screw over the Titans by signing some other players that sucked for them too.
Clearly he was every bit as valuable to them as Ridley was to us. It's 4D chess the GM is playing with these guys, it's like they're all moving in slow motion around him!
(03-18-2024, 03:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2024, 02:14 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ]Well...Bud would have been better...but the Jags can stay young with this addition. Jags literally just need him to be Arden Keys 2.0. Not as fast, but bigger.
They aren't picking Edge with the 17th pick. That ain't happening.
Them signing THIS guy makes you that certain? This smells like a smoke cloud signing to me. The contract terms aren't out to my knowledge, but this smells like a Zero Cap Hit deal if we cut him in camp.
We'll see. He worked with the Jags outside linebacker coach in Chicago.
David Duvernay signed from the Ravens. Bye bye Agnew.
I’d make that deal, in a heartbeat
“#49ers reportedly would've wanted No. 17 overall + Zay Jones. Then #Jaguars would have to pay Aiyuk. So, fizzling out.
(hopefully this tweet will stop all the random Niners fans who have Facebook friend requested/IG DM'd me in the last 4 days) x.com/kkovuu/status/…”
—— Mia O’Brien
(03-18-2024, 05:46 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]David Duvernay signed from the Ravens. Bye bye Agnew.
Not only is this news a week old, you got the name wrong, too.
(03-18-2024, 05:55 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]I’d make that deal, in a heartbeat
“#49ers reportedly would've wanted No. 17 overall + Zay Jones. Then #Jaguars would have to pay Aiyuk. So, fizzling out.
(hopefully this tweet will stop all the random Niners fans who have Facebook friend requested/IG DM'd me in the last 4 days) x.com/kkovuu/status/…”
—— Mia O’Brien
I'd offer #48 plus Zay Jones. But only if Aiyuk agrees to a new deal. I don't want any more one-year rentals like Ridley.
(03-18-2024, 05:55 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]I’d make that deal, in a heartbeat
“#49ers reportedly would've wanted No. 17 overall + Zay Jones. Then #Jaguars would have to pay Aiyuk. So, fizzling out.
(hopefully this tweet will stop all the random Niners fans who have Facebook friend requested/IG DM'd me in the last 4 days) x.com/kkovuu/status/…”
—— Mia O’Brien
Thankful we didn't do this
(03-18-2024, 06:04 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2024, 05:55 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]I’d make that deal, in a heartbeat
“#49ers reportedly would've wanted No. 17 overall + Zay Jones. Then #Jaguars would have to pay Aiyuk. So, fizzling out.
(hopefully this tweet will stop all the random Niners fans who have Facebook friend requested/IG DM'd me in the last 4 days) x.com/kkovuu/status/…”
—— Mia O’Brien
Thankful we didn't do this
Tsk…
A proven , YOUNG true number one receiver for this years one and Zay Jones?
As long as we sign him to a 3-4 year contract, why the hell not?
You have no idea what Baalke will do with that first pick, take the win and wait for 48
(03-18-2024, 06:11 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2024, 06:04 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Thankful we didn't do this
Tsk…
A proven , YOUNG true number one receiver for this years one and Zay Jones?
As long as we sign him to a 3-4 year contract, why the hell not?
You have no idea what Baalke will do with that first pick, take the win and wait for 48
Would rather a shutdown corner on a rookie deal and draft a WR.
(03-18-2024, 06:14 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2024, 06:11 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Tsk…
A proven , YOUNG true number one receiver for this years one and Zay Jones?
As long as we sign him to a 3-4 year contract, why the hell not?
You have no idea what Baalke will do with that first pick, take the win and wait for 48
Would rather a shutdown corner on a rookie deal and draft a WR.
Why draft a receiver? We don’t draft good receivers, never have… And again, Baalke, that dude is a wild card, he will fall in love with some linebacker and draft him at 1
No, you get the guy that can play number one receiver, he’s a very good player, hustling, moving, great route runner, gets open… oh, and actually can catch the damn ball…
(03-18-2024, 06:20 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2024, 06:14 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Would rather a shutdown corner on a rookie deal and draft a WR.
Why draft a receiver? We don’t draft good receivers, never have… And again, Baalke, that dude is a wild card, he will fall in love with some linebacker and draft him at 1
No, you get the guy that can play number one receiver, he’s a very good player, hustling, moving, great route runner, gets open… oh, and actually can catch the damn ball…
Yeah this is my confusion with some people on this board. They say Baalke sucks and will screw up the pick at 17 but also don't think we should trade pick 17 for a proven player and should stay put.
(03-18-2024, 06:20 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2024, 06:14 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Would rather a shutdown corner on a rookie deal and draft a WR.
Why draft a receiver? We don’t draft good receivers, never have… And again, Baalke, that dude is a wild card, he will fall in love with some linebacker and draft him at 1
No, you get the guy that can play number one receiver, he’s a very good player, hustling, moving, great route runner, gets open… oh, and actually can catch the damn ball…
We have good WRs on this team when everyone is healthy. The poor oline and injuries is what hurt this team last year. We can get a great player at 17 on a rookie deal. Baalke doesn't need to over thank this and he has hit on all of his 1st round picks so far. This draft is deep at WR and we can draft a couple if we want and have them on rookie deals. Need to learn how to draft good players after the 1st.
(03-18-2024, 06:24 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (03-18-2024, 06:20 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Why draft a receiver? We don’t draft good receivers, never have… And again, Baalke, that dude is a wild card, he will fall in love with some linebacker and draft him at 1
No, you get the guy that can play number one receiver, he’s a very good player, hustling, moving, great route runner, gets open… oh, and actually can catch the damn ball…
Yeah this is my confusion with some people on this board. They say Baalke sucks and will screw up the pick at 17 but also don't think we should trade pick 17 for a proven player and should stay put.
Baalke has hit on all his first round picks. It's after the 1st is where he has problems