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We’re gonna need to draft a WR in Rd 1 no ifs and or butts about it. Last year of Trevor’s deal … we need to get him as much firepower is possible

(03-16-2024, 11:27 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]We’re gonna need to draft a WR in Rd 1 no ifs and or butts about it. Last year of Trevor’s deal … we need to get him as much firepower is possible

It's not the last year of Trevor's deal.  

And, if we want to help Trevor, the things that will help Trevor the most are a better running game and a better defense.  Sure, draft a WR1 with the first pick, and see how well he does when we're constantly in 2nd and 12 like we were last year.

(03-16-2024, 11:27 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]We’re gonna need to draft a WR in Rd 1 no ifs and or butts about it. Last year of Trevor’s deal … we need to get him as much firepower is possible

Baalke definitely agrees that he needs to draft DL in round 1 and address WR in round 5

(03-16-2024, 11:31 AM)CSTblank Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 11:27 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]We’re gonna need to draft a WR in Rd 1 no ifs and or butts about it. Last year of Trevor’s deal … we need to get him as much firepower is possible

Baalke definitely agrees that he needs to draft DL in round 1 and address WR in round 5

I've never played Madden, but is there any blocking and tackling in Madden?  Or is it all QB1 throws to WR1?  The real game is won with blocking and tackling.  This team did not do those very well last year.  More firepower won't mean [BLEEP] if we don't block and tackle better.

(03-16-2024, 11:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 10:51 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Engram is certainly on that level as a receiving threat.

Not just the final 4 teams but look at all the playoff teams. Almost all of them had an elite WR on their team. Jags don’t have that. 

ARSB. Tyreek. Waddle. Aiyuk. Deebo. Diggs. Evans. Nico. Cooper (arguable). Kupp. Puka. AJB. Devonta. Lamb. These are all elite/borderline elite/ very good separators. 

You don’t NEED an elite WR to win a SB but you need a lot of other areas to be elite in order to win. Jags DLine is close to that but the OLine, WR room, linebackers and secondary are all average. 

As someone else mentioned, drafting and developing players is something Baalke and the Jags haven’t been able to do. And when they do draft and develop, they botch the extension (Josh Allen).

I love the Armstead signing. Reminds me of Calais but I don’t trust Baalke in the draft and to me, that’s the most important attribute a GM can have. Nailing the draft and finding gems in the later rounds. Rams didn’t have a 1st round pick and NAILED their draft last year.

They haven't botched the extension with Allen.  Botching the extension would be bending over and giving him whatever he's asking for.

No. They botched it.

He should have been signed last off season for one. They should have attempted to re sign him during the season (something Baalke is very much against) and then they should have signed him before FA began. Then use the tag on Ridley and negotiate with him like they did Engram.

(03-16-2024, 11:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 10:51 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Engram is certainly on that level as a receiving threat.

Not just the final 4 teams but look at all the playoff teams. Almost all of them had an elite WR on their team. Jags don’t have that. 

ARSB. Tyreek. Waddle. Aiyuk. Deebo. Diggs. Evans. Nico. Cooper (arguable). Kupp. Puka. AJB. Devonta. Lamb. These are all elite/borderline elite/ very good separators. 

You don’t NEED an elite WR to win a SB but you need a lot of other areas to be elite in order to win. Jags DLine is close to that but the OLine, WR room, linebackers and secondary are all average. 

As someone else mentioned, drafting and developing players is something Baalke and the Jags haven’t been able to do. And when they do draft and develop, they botch the extension (Josh Allen).

I love the Armstead signing. Reminds me of Calais but I don’t trust Baalke in the draft and to me, that’s the most important attribute a GM can have. Nailing the draft and finding gems in the later rounds. Rams didn’t have a 1st round pick and NAILED their draft last year.

They haven't botched the extension with Allen.  Botching the extension would be bending over and giving him whatever he's asking for.

I agree we do not need to have a #1 receiver to win the Superbowl. That is why I am critical of trading for an established one. I feel it would be a waste of resources badly needed elsewhere. What you do need are enough good WR's that can work together to keep a defense honest. Last year with Ridley we tried to MAKE him a #1. We failed. More than a few time I saw another receiver break open (sometimes wide open) while Treavor was spending too much time looking at Ridley.

I do not agree they botched any extension with Josh.  Josh was the big dog in the market this year. He was NOT going to sign anything they put in front of him. He was going to force them to tag him to keep him while negotiating the same as Ingram did last year. They will come to agreement sometime before the season.  Don't believe me? Go look at this same situation across the league. (tagable player coming off a really good season that is #1 or 2 at his position in free agency)

(03-16-2024, 11:42 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 11:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]They haven't botched the extension with Allen.  Botching the extension would be bending over and giving him whatever he's asking for.

No. They botched it.

He should have been signed last off season for one. They should have attempted to re sign him during the season (something Baalke is very much against) and then they should have signed him before FA began. Then use the tag on Ridley and negotiate with him like they did Engram.

I don't think he would have signed last offseason.  He was coming off a year when he had 7 sacks.  What would you offer a guy who is coming off a 7-sack season?  Do you think he would have taken it?

(03-16-2024, 11:42 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 11:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]They haven't botched the extension with Allen.  Botching the extension would be bending over and giving him whatever he's asking for.

No. They botched it.

He should have been signed last off season for one. They should have attempted to re sign him during the season (something Baalke is very much against) and then they should have signed him before FA began. Then use the tag on Ridley and negotiate with him like they did Engram.

There’s two sides to a negotiation.  What they SHOULD do and COULD do don’t always align.  Nobody knows what was being attempted.  So it can’t see how anyone can be sure it was ‘botched’.

(03-16-2024, 11:42 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 11:23 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]They haven't botched the extension with Allen.  Botching the extension would be bending over and giving him whatever he's asking for.

No. They botched it.

He should have been signed last off season for one. They should have attempted to re sign him during the season (something Baalke is very much against) and then they should have signed him before FA began. Then use the tag on Ridley and negotiate with him like they did Engram.

No.  You seem hell bent on ignoring that the above opinion requires presumption that Allen would have been truly willing to sign prior to seeing the couple of guys' deals that just got done.  

How much are you offering Allen coming off of the '22 season without knowledge of the '23 season to come?  Are you paying him $25M+ per year after '22?  Then put yourself in Allen's shoes, are you taking the "deal" being offered to you not having had a true breakout season yet?  Allen's first 4 seasons are exactly why the 5th year option exists and why teams value it.  More time to evaluate your 1st rounder.  And that's presuming an offer wasn't made last year that Allen didn't just toss aside intending to bet on himself anyway.

If you're the pending free agent facing the tag and get offered a deal prior to free agency.  If helping the team is not a priority of yours (no judgement on him if it wasn't) and more about maximizing your income over the next 3-5 years, then you should be of the opinion that the team has to offer you a premium for you to forgo getting a glimpse of the market by waiting to see what other guys sign for.  No one knows what the offer(s) was/were prior to free agency, but it's very easy to imagine this played out the way it has simply because Allen's only focus is on maximizing his income over the next few years and that the only scenario that would see him sign early would be one with a massive overpay.  Would you be the type to rip Baalke on the overpay as well?  I don't recall your initial opinion on Kirk's deal a couple of offseasons ago, but if I had to guess I'd bet you were probably ripping him for that too.

I have to add that I generally respect your opinions and posts here, but for whatever reason you have become unhinged when it comes to Baalke and have no problem filling in the blanks with negative shade thrown at him.

(03-16-2024, 12:47 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I have to add that I generally respect your opinions and posts here, but for whatever reason you have become unhinged when it comes to Baalke and have no problem filling in the blanks with negative shade thrown at him.

Sorry but he’s warranted all the hate.

Now that doesn’t mean he hasn’t made good moves. I like Morse and Armstead but these are all band aids because he doesn’t know how to properly evaluate talent in the draft. 

I’m just ready for a GM who can draft talent and then re sign that homegrown talent.

Oh and you can go back and find my posts on Kirk. I loved it. A lot of people didn’t like it because it was an “overpay” but the WR market was gonna boom.

(03-16-2024, 11:27 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]We’re gonna need to draft a WR in Rd 1 no ifs and or butts about it. Last year of Trevor’s deal … we need to get him as much firepower is possible

I'd love to get a great WR in round 1, but...

Any great player will help Trevor.  If that great player is a defensive tackle, center, edge rusher, offensive tackle, tight end, interior lineman, or defensive back.  If that player is great at his job, it will all be firepower.

(03-16-2024, 09:32 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 08:33 AM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]How many WRs has he ever drafted in the first three rounds?

The answer is 1.

He's drafted three in the fourth rounds.

None were hits but he hasn't taken enough shots to say he can't draft elite receivers.  0-1 doesn't a pattern make.

That’s an even bigger indictment.

Especially considering the amount of WR talent that has come out the last 5 years or so.

Maybe, or maybe he prioritizes other ways to build a roster.  Big talented guys.  

WRs are flashy, fans like them.

Doesn't mean he can't draft good receivers it just seems it's not his priority.  We'll see what happens this season.  But saying he's never hit on a stud WR when he's drafted one in the first two rounds of his career seems short sighted.

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(03-16-2024, 01:35 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 11:27 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]We’re gonna need to draft a WR in Rd 1 no ifs and or butts about it. Last year of Trevor’s deal … we need to get him as much firepower is possible

I'd love to get a great WR in round 1, but...

Any great player will help Trevor.  If that great player is a defensive tackle, center, edge rusher, offensive tackle, tight end, interior lineman, or defensive back.  If that player is great at his job, it will all be firepower.

This is right.  And even more important is the players we've drafted in the first three rounds the last three seasons.

(03-16-2024, 10:21 AM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 09:36 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]We're not the Chiefs nor the 49ers...

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Right. 49ers drafted and developed:

Kittle
Samuel
Aiyuk

The Chiefs have had Kelce as well now forever. They also drafted Rice out of SMU last year and also had Tyreek Hill for years. Again, another guy they drafted and developed.

I also fail to see the point here.

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My point is that you don't need Chase, Jefferson, or Brown to win in the playoffs and get to a Lombardi trophy.  A Rice, Hardman, or Deebo on the right TEAM will do just fine.  No, we aren't the Niners or Chiefs, but I'm wondering what the Jags could be if we surrounded Lawrence with that team.

One of the four teams playing in the conference championship had an elite WR.  All 4 DID have an elite receiving TE, though.  It wasn't my original point, but maybe we should be looking for our Kittle, Kelce, Andrews, or LaPorta.  And yes, drafting that elite player is definitely the way to go.

All's fair. Defense still plays a massive role in all of this as well. Which is why I think Baalke will continue to lean in that direction anyway. If he goes CB, DT or EDGE with the 17th pick I am probably not going to be sweating it at all. As he tends to get it right on that side of the field. 

I posted earlier too, that, they don't have to draft a WR at 17 nor 46 to find a guy that could potentially grow into the WR1 on this offense. We just need to find a guy that can get open, run good routes and get in sync early with Lawrence. I don't think that receiver has to be a behemoth neither. 

You can find a guy like Javon Baker that has that potential out of UCF or even Jamari Thrash out of Louisville. Shorter guys that are shifty and better with RAC in short routes. Baker would be nice though. I really like his sideline ability and foot work.

Yeah, I'm also in the opinion that we should draft OL/DL in the first two rounds; but this FA class put us in a better spot in the sense that we don't NEED to draft a specific position in round 1, we can sit and wait to draft the BAP.

I would also be ok with trading back in the first round


EDIT: also, a couple of guys that we signed was a captain in their teams, we still building that locker room, I loved that.

(03-16-2024, 02:47 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 10:21 AM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ]My point is that you don't need Chase, Jefferson, or Brown to win in the playoffs and get to a Lombardi trophy.  A Rice, Hardman, or Deebo on the right TEAM will do just fine.  No, we aren't the Niners or Chiefs, but I'm wondering what the Jags could be if we surrounded Lawrence with that team.

One of the four teams playing in the conference championship had an elite WR.  All 4 DID have an elite receiving TE, though.  It wasn't my original point, but maybe we should be looking for our Kittle, Kelce, Andrews, or LaPorta.  And yes, drafting that elite player is definitely the way to go.

All's fair. Defense still plays a massive role in all of this as well. Which is why I think Baalke will continue to lean in that direction anyway. If he goes CB, DT or EDGE with the 17th pick I am probably not going to be sweating it at all. As he tends to get it right on that side of the field. 

I posted earlier too, that, they don't have to draft a WR at 17 nor 46 to find a guy that could potentially grow into the WR1 on this offense. We just need to find a guy that can get open, run good routes and get in sync early with Lawrence. I don't think that receiver has to be a behemoth neither. 

You can find a guy like Javon Baker that has that potential out of UCF or even Jamari Thrash out of Louisville. Shorter guys that are shifty and better with RAC in short routes. Baker would be nice though. I really like his sideline ability and foot work.

I'd love to get DeJean honestly.  Dude could play anywhere on D for us. You have to have 3 corners and he can play inside or out

(03-16-2024, 02:52 PM)Marcos25067 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I'm also in the opinion that we should draft OL/DL in the first two rounds; but this FA class put us in a better spot in the sense that we don't NEED to draft a specific position in round 1, we can sit and wait to draft the BAP.

I would also be ok with trading back in the first round


EDIT: also, a couple of guys that we signed was a captain in their teams, we still building that locker room, I loved that.

Yep. Trading down wouldn't hurt my feelings neither. Could still address OL/DL towards the bottom of RD1 and in a deep WR and CB class would could also add an upgrade or two. 

Best case would be getting somebody like Darius Robinson or Graham Barton in RD1 after a trade down and then double dipping in RD2 depending on the trade deal. Could probably get a WR like Xavier Leggett, Keon Coleman or Troy Franklin and a CB like T.J Tampa or Khyree Jackson. 

I wouldn't be surprised if Kool-Aid McKinstry slips a bit. Think he has to have surgery or something like that. Depending on time timeline, maybe you take a chance on him and try and work him back into the line-up mid season.

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(03-16-2024, 03:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 02:47 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]All's fair. Defense still plays a massive role in all of this as well. Which is why I think Baalke will continue to lean in that direction anyway. If he goes CB, DT or EDGE with the 17th pick I am probably not going to be sweating it at all. As he tends to get it right on that side of the field. 

I posted earlier too, that, they don't have to draft a WR at 17 nor 46 to find a guy that could potentially grow into the WR1 on this offense. We just need to find a guy that can get open, run good routes and get in sync early with Lawrence. I don't think that receiver has to be a behemoth neither. 

You can find a guy like Javon Baker that has that potential out of UCF or even Jamari Thrash out of Louisville. Shorter guys that are shifty and better with RAC in short routes. Baker would be nice though. I really like his sideline ability and foot work.

I'd love to get DeJean honestly.  Dude could play anywhere on D for us.  You have to have 3 corners and he can play inside or out

Has Iowa had their Pro-Day yet?

(03-16-2024, 03:10 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 02:52 PM)Marcos25067 Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, I'm also in the opinion that we should draft OL/DL in the first two rounds; but this FA class put us in a better spot in the sense that we don't NEED to draft a specific position in round 1, we can sit and wait to draft the BAP.

I would also be ok with trading back in the first round


EDIT: also, a couple of guys that we signed was a captain in their teams, we still building that locker room, I loved that.

Yep. Trading down wouldn't hurt my feelings neither. Could still address OL/DL towards the bottom of RD1 and in a deep WR and CB class would could also add an upgrade or two. 

Best case would be getting somebody like Darius Robinson or Graham Barton in RD1 after a trade down and then double dipping in RD2 depending on the trade deal. Could probably get a WR like Xavier Leggett, Keon Coleman or Troy Franklin and a CB like T.J Tampa or Khyree Jackson. 

I wouldn't be surprised if Kool-Aid McKinstry slips a bit. Think he has to have surgery or something like that. Depending on time timeline, maybe you take a chance on him and try and work him back into the line-up mid season.

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(03-16-2024, 03:01 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I'd love to get DeJean honestly.  Dude could play anywhere on D for us.  You have to have 3 corners and he can play inside or out

Has Iowa

(03-12-2024, 01:07 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Pretty interesting how this Einstein fella is becoming famous with the release of the Oppenheimer movie.

had their Pro-Day yet?

It's in a couple days but I don't think he will be ready.  I think he's going to do a private workout for teams right before the draft

(03-16-2024, 03:28 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 03:10 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Yep. Trading down wouldn't hurt my feelings neither. Could still address OL/DL towards the bottom of RD1 and in a deep WR and CB class would could also add an upgrade or two. 

Best case would be getting somebody like Darius Robinson or Graham Barton in RD1 after a trade down and then double dipping in RD2 depending on the trade deal. Could probably get a WR like Xavier Leggett, Keon Coleman or Troy Franklin and a CB like T.J Tampa or Khyree Jackson. 

I wouldn't be surprised if Kool-Aid McKinstry slips a bit. Think he has to have surgery or something like that. Depending on time timeline, maybe you take a chance on him and try and work him back into the line-up mid season.

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Has Iowa


had their Pro-Day yet?

It's in a couple days but I don't think he will be ready.  I think he's going to do a private workout for teams right before the draft

I am sure we'll be one of those teams. He should be in our area of the draft. If he's the athlete everybody says he is I wouldn't mind the selection.

His ability to play all over the secondary, in addition to having really good return ability makes him intriguing. If anything, I think he could be the guy that everybody expected Jabrill Peppers to be when he came out of college.

(03-16-2024, 03:40 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 03:28 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]It's in a couple days but I don't think he will be ready.  I think he's going to do a private workout for teams right before the draft

I am sure we'll be one of those teams. He should be in our area of the draft. If he's the athlete everybody says he is I wouldn't mind the selection.

His ability to play all over the secondary, in addition to having really good return ability makes him intriguing. If anything, I think he could be the guy that everybody expected Jabrill Peppers to be when he came out of college.

If he's 100% I think he kills it and it will be fresh in GMs minds and he might not make it to our pick.  The only reason he doesn't have really no buzz right now is because he couldn't test at the combine.  He's been on the freak list for his athletic ability. 

  Peppers could of never been a good corner yet I thought he was going to be a better safety than what he has been. I think DeJean will be a true number 1 corner and you can move him around if you want.  Id play him nickle corner this year and move him outside next year.  Of course certain packages get a little creative.  

I think he good be a high level nickle for us this year. Whatever Nielsen would want to do with him though, could play outside this year too at a high level I think.