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I'd rather trade a 2nd for Sneed and give him a contract and draft Brian Thomas Jr in the 1st. than a pick 17 for Aiyuk and give him an even bigger contract

(03-18-2024, 06:33 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I'd rather trade a 2nd for Sneed and give him a contract and draft Brian Thomas Jr in the 1st. than a pick 17 for Aiyuk and give him an even bigger contract

That’s what I’m talking about. Take it a step further - draft an athletic tackle or edge rusher in first, trade the 2nd for Sneed, and draft a TE/WR in the 3rd. Trent likes the big uglies in round 1, and that’s about the only thing I like about his draft philosophy.

The Jags are going to need to create cap space for Law's extension next year, so I don't see them trading away valuable early round draft picks for a players that are going to command top dollar. Not if they plan to re-sign Josh Allen and the other impending free agents. The Jags already have a bad reputation for not paying their own players, so it's time to retain home-grown talent and stop spending big on outside players.

(03-18-2024, 07:20 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]The Jags are going to need to create cap space for Law's extension next year, so I don't see them trading away valuable early round draft picks for a players that are going to command top dollar.  Not if they plan to re-sign Josh Allen and the other impending free agents.  The Jags already have a bad reputation for not paying their own players, so it's time to retain home-grown talent and stop spending big on outside players.

We are going to need to resign Walker in 2 years if he continues to improve and it will be 100+ mil contract as well.

(03-18-2024, 05:55 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2024, 05:46 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]David Duvernay signed from the Ravens. Bye bye Agnew.

Not only is this news a week old, you got the name wrong, too.

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(03-18-2024, 05:55 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]I’d make that deal, in a heartbeat



“#49ers reportedly would've wanted No. 17 overall + Zay Jones. Then #Jaguars would have to pay Aiyuk. So, fizzling out.

(hopefully this tweet will stop all the random Niners fans who have Facebook friend requested/IG DM'd me in the last 4 days) x.com/kkovuu/status/…”

—— Mia O’Brien

I'd offer #48 plus Zay Jones.  But only if Aiyuk agrees to a new deal.  I don't want any more one-year rentals like Ridley.

The assumption here is that Aiyuk would sign an extension like when the Eagles traded for AJ Brown.

However, it appears the Aiyuk ship has sailed. 

Trading up for Rome (if he falls to 9 or 10) is my favorite option.

(03-18-2024, 07:00 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2024, 06:33 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I'd rather trade a 2nd for Sneed and give him a contract and draft Brian Thomas Jr in the 1st. than a pick 17 for Aiyuk and give him an even bigger contract

That’s what I’m talking about. Take it a step further - draft an athletic tackle or edge rusher in first, trade the 2nd for Sneed, and draft a TE/WR in the 3rd. Trent likes the big uglies in round 1, and that’s about the only thing I like about his draft philosophy.

I like this as well

(03-18-2024, 06:24 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2024, 06:20 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Why draft a receiver? We don’t draft good receivers, never have… And again, Baalke, that dude is a wild card, he will fall in love with some linebacker and draft him at 1

No, you get the guy that can play number one receiver, he’s a very good player, hustling, moving, great route runner, gets open… oh, and actually can catch the damn ball…

Yeah this is my confusion with some people on this board. They say Baalke sucks and will screw up the pick at 17 but also don't think we should trade pick 17 for a proven player and should stay put.

Ronster doesn't make sense.  You get used to it.

Baalkie always hits on the first round picks. Anyone that says different has not been paying attention or has another agenda.

(03-18-2024, 10:48 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Baalkie always hits on the first round picks.  Anyone that says different has not been paying attention or has another agenda.

Always?

As the Jags GM or when he was with the 49ers too? He’s had the #1 pick twice. 2 times he’s had a second first rounder and he used it on a running back and an off ball linebacker.

Also. Not convinced Lloyd is a hit.

Trevor- absolutely 
ETN- he’s good but shouldn’t get a second contract 
Travon- absolutely 
Lloyd- I think he’s good but he will really need to make the jump this year
Anton- absolutely

(03-18-2024, 05:55 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]I’d make that deal, in a heartbeat



“#49ers reportedly would've wanted No. 17 overall + Zay Jones. Then #Jaguars would have to pay Aiyuk. So, fizzling out.

(hopefully this tweet will stop all the random Niners fans who have Facebook friend requested/IG DM'd me in the last 4 days) x.com/kkovuu/status/…”

—— Mia O’Brien

That deal likely means you can't afford Trevor or Josh, or you have to start gutting the rest of the roster. You still make that deal?

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(03-18-2024, 05:55 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2024, 05:46 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]David Duvernay signed from the Ravens. Bye bye Agnew.

Not only is this news a week old, you got the name wrong, too.

Maybe Devin has a faster, cheaper twin brother.

(03-18-2024, 06:20 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2024, 06:14 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Would rather a shutdown corner on a rookie deal and draft a WR.

Why draft a receiver? We don’t draft good receivers, never have… And again, Baalke, that dude is a wild card, he will fall in love with some linebacker and draft him at 1

No, you get the guy that can play number one receiver, he’s a very good player, hustling, moving, great route runner, gets open… oh, and actually can catch the damn ball…

And maybe we can throw a tarp joke in while we're digging up old tropes. Maybe a tired line about ACLs?

How did KC do with a bunch of young, unproven receivers this last season? They didn't seem to miss Hill too much, from what I saw.

Take care of the cap. Why you think SFO is willing to part with the guy, if #1 receivers are so valuable to an offense?

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(03-18-2024, 06:24 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2024, 06:20 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]Why draft a receiver? We don’t draft good receivers, never have… And again, Baalke, that dude is a wild card, he will fall in love with some linebacker and draft him at 1

No, you get the guy that can play number one receiver, he’s a very good player, hustling, moving, great route runner, gets open… oh, and actually can catch the damn ball…

Yeah this is my confusion with some people on this board. They say Baalke sucks and will screw up the pick at 17 but also don't think we should trade pick 17 for a proven player and should stay put.

Which first rounder has he whiffed on? Or are you(or everyone else) confusing him with Caldwell?

‘Hey, Trent! Does this uniform make my arms look short?’

(03-19-2024, 08:07 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2024, 05:55 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]I’d make that deal, in a heartbeat



“#49ers reportedly would've wanted No. 17 overall + Zay Jones. Then #Jaguars would have to pay Aiyuk. So, fizzling out.

(hopefully this tweet will stop all the random Niners fans who have Facebook friend requested/IG DM'd me in the last 4 days) x.com/kkovuu/status/…”

—— Mia O’Brien

That deal likely means you can't afford Trevor or Josh, or you have to start gutting the rest of the roster. You still make that deal?

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(03-18-2024, 05:55 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Not only is this news a week old, you got the name wrong, too.

Maybe Devin has a faster, cheaper twin brother.

The Eagles traded for AJ Brown, signed him to a big contract and then the very next summer signed Hurts to a big contract.

Trents biggest issue is that he can't draft which means they don't get the luxury of having really good players on rookie deals. I would have done that trade for Aiyuk because I think he's exactly what Trevor needs and he's only 25. Ridley will be 30 but Aiyuk would be someone Trevor can continue to grow with (Allen/Diggs Hurts/AJB Burrow/Chase)

(03-19-2024, 10:19 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2024, 08:07 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]That deal likely means you can't afford Trevor or Josh, or you have to start gutting the rest of the roster. You still make that deal?

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Maybe Devin has a faster, cheaper twin brother.

The Eagles traded for AJ Brown, signed him to a big contract and then the very next summer signed Hurts to a big contract.

Trents biggest issue is that he can't draft which means they don't get the luxury of having really good players on rookie deals. I would have done that trade for Aiyuk because I think he's exactly what Trevor needs and he's only 25. Ridley will be 30 but Aiyuk would be someone Trevor can continue to grow with (Allen/Diggs Hurts/AJB Burrow/Chase)

Problem is you can't keep everybody. Allen would probably have to walk, or you don't re-sign Walker. Can't have 7-8 guys making 25+ mil/yr then sign a QB to a 50 mil/yr deal. The rest of the team will be draft picks and UDFAs.

(03-19-2024, 10:25 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2024, 10:19 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]The Eagles traded for AJ Brown, signed him to a big contract and then the very next summer signed Hurts to a big contract.

Trents biggest issue is that he can't draft which means they don't get the luxury of having really good players on rookie deals. I would have done that trade for Aiyuk because I think he's exactly what Trevor needs and he's only 25. Ridley will be 30 but Aiyuk would be someone Trevor can continue to grow with (Allen/Diggs Hurts/AJB Burrow/Chase)

Problem is you can't keep everybody. Allen would probably have to walk, or you don't re-sign Walker. Can't have 7-8 guys making 25+ mil/yr then sign a QB to a 50 mil/yr deal. The rest of the team will be draft picks and UDFAs.

You need to be savvy. 

The Eagles currently have Reddick at 21 million, Lane Johnson at 16, Hurts 14, AJB at 13 and Slay at 11. Those are their 5 biggest cap hits for 2024 per Spotrac.

The Chiefs have Mahomes at 37, Thuney at 27 (probably restructure), Taylor at 25, Sneed at 19 (the tag), Kelce at 15. However, they are drafting very well with Creed, Karlaftis, McDuffie, Rice, and Trey Smith playing on rookie contracts.

Keep your stars and draft well. Something the Jags have historically never done.

(03-19-2024, 07:24 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2024, 10:48 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Baalkie always hits on the first round picks.  Anyone that says different has not been paying attention or has another agenda.

Always?

As the Jags GM or when he was with the 49ers too? He’s had the #1 pick twice. 2 times he’s had a second first rounder and he used it on a running back and an off ball linebacker.

Also. Not convinced Lloyd is a hit.

Trevor- absolutely 
ETN- he’s good but shouldn’t get a second contract 
Travon- absolutely 
Lloyd- I think he’s good but he will really need to make the jump this year
Anton- absolutely

Your thesis is based on Baalkie using his second first round pick on a player in your opinion is "wrong".  The people that have very strong positional draft position opinions tend to be the most aggressive at shouting down anyone that has an opinion that differs from theirs. That is your prerogative certainly. 

ETN - based on us having a 3rd world offensive line the last 2 years. Despite this he ranked #17 last year. If we don't figure a way to sign him to that second contract 3 of the teams in our division will gladly find a way.
Lloyd - Devin was the 14th ranked LB in his second year. His first year to me was marred a bit by his in ability to participate in training camp and preseason. 

Also, remember the dumper fire we are rebuilding. for reference....

Smith 2009 8 Eugene Monroe T
Smith 2010 10 Tyson Alualu DT
Smith 2011 10 Blaine Gabbert QB
Smith 2012 5 Justin Blackmon WR
Caldwell 2013 2 Luke Joeckel T
Caldwell 2014 3 Blake Bortles QB
Caldwell 2015 3 Dante Fowler DE
Caldwell 2016 5 Jalen Ramsey CB
Caldwell 2017 4 Leonard Fournette RB
Caldwell 2018 29 Taven Bryan DT
Caldwell 2019 7 Josh Allen DE
Caldwell 2020 9 C. J. Henderson CB
Caldwell 20 K'Lavon Chaisson LB
Baalkie 2021 1 Trevor Lawrence* QB
Baalkie 25 Travis Etienne RB
Baalkie 2022 1 Travon Walker* DE
Baalkie 27 Devin Lloyd LB
Baalkie 2023 27 Anton Harrison T

The devil you know sometimes is better than the devil you don't. Beside he has only one first round pick so your objections should be nullified.

(03-19-2024, 11:32 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2024, 07:24 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Always?

As the Jags GM or when he was with the 49ers too? He’s had the #1 pick twice. 2 times he’s had a second first rounder and he used it on a running back and an off ball linebacker.

Also. Not convinced Lloyd is a hit.

Trevor- absolutely 
ETN- he’s good but shouldn’t get a second contract 
Travon- absolutely 
Lloyd- I think he’s good but he will really need to make the jump this year
Anton- absolutely

Your thesis is based on Baalkie using his second first round pick on a player in your opinion is "wrong".  The people that have very strong positional draft position opinions tend to be the most aggressive at shouting down anyone that has an opinion that differs from theirs. That is your prerogative certainly. 

ETN - based on us having a 3rd world offensive line the last 2 years. Despite this he ranked #17 last year. If we don't figure a way to sign him to that second contract 3 of the teams in our division will gladly find a way.
Lloyd - Devin was the 14th ranked LB in his second year. His first year to me was marred a bit by his in ability to participate in training camp and preseason. 

Also, remember the dumper fire we are rebuilding. for reference....

Smith 2009 8 Eugene Monroe T
Smith 2010 10 Tyson Alualu DT
Smith 2011 10 Blaine Gabbert QB
Smith 2012 5 Justin Blackmon WR
Caldwell 2013 2 Luke Joeckel T
Caldwell 2014 3 Blake Bortles QB
Caldwell 2015 3 Dante Fowler DE
Caldwell 2016 5 Jalen Ramsey CB
Caldwell 2017 4 Leonard Fournette RB
Caldwell 2018 29 Taven Bryan DT
Caldwell 2019 7 Josh Allen DE
Caldwell 2020 9 C. J. Henderson CB
Caldwell 20 K'Lavon Chaisson LB
Baalkie 2021 1 Trevor Lawrence* QB
Baalkie 25 Travis Etienne RB
Baalkie 2022 1 Travon Walker* DE
Baalkie 27 Devin Lloyd LB
Baalkie 2023 27 Anton Harrison T

The devil you know sometimes is better than the devil you don't. Beside he has only one first round pick so your objections should be nullified.

Again, you said Baalke always hits on his 1st round pick which we both know isn't true.

He drafted AJ Jenkins in round 1. Joshua Garnett in round 1. Eric Reid in round 1 (this could be debated).

For the Jags, he has done a good job in round 1 but he has also had the luxury of picking first overall twice in 3 years. An advantage not many GMs in history can say they get.

I look at what good teams in the NFL do and try to mimick them. Ravens, Chiefs, 49ers and Eagles seem to be the top of the class when it comes to roster building. They seem to hit on later picks more than others. They tend to draft so well that they keep their own but they're also aggressive when they find a player they want. They also do whatever it takes to make life easier on their QB. For me, I'm not sure the Jags are making life easier for Trevor.

(03-19-2024, 11:59 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2024, 11:32 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Your thesis is based on Baalkie using his second first round pick on a player in your opinion is "wrong".  The people that have very strong positional draft position opinions tend to be the most aggressive at shouting down anyone that has an opinion that differs from theirs. That is your prerogative certainly. 

ETN - based on us having a 3rd world offensive line the last 2 years. Despite this he ranked #17 last year. If we don't figure a way to sign him to that second contract 3 of the teams in our division will gladly find a way.
Lloyd - Devin was the 14th ranked LB in his second year. His first year to me was marred a bit by his in ability to participate in training camp and preseason. 

Also, remember the dumper fire we are rebuilding. for reference....

Smith 2009 8 Eugene Monroe T
Smith 2010 10 Tyson Alualu DT
Smith 2011 10 Blaine Gabbert QB
Smith 2012 5 Justin Blackmon WR
Caldwell 2013 2 Luke Joeckel T
Caldwell 2014 3 Blake Bortles QB
Caldwell 2015 3 Dante Fowler DE
Caldwell 2016 5 Jalen Ramsey CB
Caldwell 2017 4 Leonard Fournette RB
Caldwell 2018 29 Taven Bryan DT
Caldwell 2019 7 Josh Allen DE
Caldwell 2020 9 C. J. Henderson CB
Caldwell 20 K'Lavon Chaisson LB
Baalkie 2021 1 Trevor Lawrence* QB
Baalkie 25 Travis Etienne RB
Baalkie 2022 1 Travon Walker* DE
Baalkie 27 Devin Lloyd LB
Baalkie 2023 27 Anton Harrison T

The devil you know sometimes is better than the devil you don't. Beside he has only one first round pick so your objections should be nullified.

Again, you said Baalke always hits on his 1st round pick which we both know isn't true.

He drafted AJ Jenkins in round 1. Joshua Garnett in round 1. Eric Reid in round 1 (this could be debated).

For the Jags, he has done a good job in round 1 but he has also had the luxury of picking first overall twice in 3 years. An advantage not many GMs in history can say they get.

I look at what good teams in the NFL do and try to mimick them. Ravens, Chiefs, 49ers and Eagles seem to be the top of the class when it comes to roster building. They seem to hit on later picks more than others. They tend to draft so well that they keep their own but they're also aggressive when they find a player they want. They also do whatever it takes to make life easier on their QB. For me, I'm not sure the Jags are making life easier for Trevor.

First, I am not pro or anti Baalkie.  While he has A LOT of control over who is selected by how information is presented to our owner, if Kahn (probably either of them) said no he would politically switch gears. On top of that Doug's opinion is in there.  I heard last year one of the most revealing comments about our draft selection. Prior to selecting Harrision it was said Kahn looked a Doug and asked if he could start for us. Doug said absolutely and Kahn then told Baalkie to get him. Probably the reason for when trading back Baalkie's over cautious behavior reported by the other teams. What he did for the 49ers do not factor in to my opinion as how they were run at that time is unknown or relevant to present day.

We are basically discussing semantics now. I used the word always, what word would you use?

(03-19-2024, 11:59 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-19-2024, 11:32 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Your thesis is based on Baalkie using his second first round pick on a player in your opinion is "wrong".  The people that have very strong positional draft position opinions tend to be the most aggressive at shouting down anyone that has an opinion that differs from theirs. That is your prerogative certainly. 

ETN - based on us having a 3rd world offensive line the last 2 years. Despite this he ranked #17 last year. If we don't figure a way to sign him to that second contract 3 of the teams in our division will gladly find a way.
Lloyd - Devin was the 14th ranked LB in his second year. His first year to me was marred a bit by his in ability to participate in training camp and preseason. 

Also, remember the dumper fire we are rebuilding. for reference....

Smith 2009 8 Eugene Monroe T
Smith 2010 10 Tyson Alualu DT
Smith 2011 10 Blaine Gabbert QB
Smith 2012 5 Justin Blackmon WR
Caldwell 2013 2 Luke Joeckel T
Caldwell 2014 3 Blake Bortles QB
Caldwell 2015 3 Dante Fowler DE
Caldwell 2016 5 Jalen Ramsey CB
Caldwell 2017 4 Leonard Fournette RB
Caldwell 2018 29 Taven Bryan DT
Caldwell 2019 7 Josh Allen DE
Caldwell 2020 9 C. J. Henderson CB
Caldwell 20 K'Lavon Chaisson LB
Baalkie 2021 1 Trevor Lawrence* QB
Baalkie 25 Travis Etienne RB
Baalkie 2022 1 Travon Walker* DE
Baalkie 27 Devin Lloyd LB
Baalkie 2023 27 Anton Harrison T

The devil you know sometimes is better than the devil you don't. Beside he has only one first round pick so your objections should be nullified.

Again, you said Baalke always hits on his 1st round pick which we both know isn't true.

He drafted AJ Jenkins in round 1. Joshua Garnett in round 1. Eric Reid in round 1 (this could be debated).

For the Jags, he has done a good job in round 1 but he has also had the luxury of picking first overall twice in 3 years. An advantage not many GMs in history can say they get.

I look at what good teams in the NFL do and try to mimick them. Ravens, Chiefs, 49ers and Eagles seem to be the top of the class when it comes to roster building. They seem to hit on later picks more than others. They tend to draft so well that they keep their own but they're also aggressive when they find a player they want. They also do whatever it takes to make life easier on their QB. For me, I'm not sure the Jags are making life easier for Trevor.

I think when you fortify the defense you make it significantly easier on the quarterback. The reason being is he no longer has to feel the need to press the ball down the field and can take what the opposing defense gives more.

(03-18-2024, 03:37 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-18-2024, 02:14 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ]Well...Bud would have been better...but the Jags can stay young with this addition.  Jags literally just need him to be Arden Keys 2.0.  Not as fast, but bigger.


They aren't picking Edge with the 17th pick.   That ain't happening.

Them signing THIS guy makes you that certain? This smells like a smoke cloud signing to me. The contract terms aren't out to my knowledge, but this smells like a Zero Cap Hit deal if we cut him in camp.

After having the day to think about it...

If they sign Josh to a long contract, and defer the first year payments...the Jags can still bring in Bud Dupree.   IMO that move would lock down the Edge position.   With Walker and Allen being young, there isn't a reason to go young in the draft when you can add experience.


I'd still like a Bud Dupree addition.   That would give you your four edge rushers... and if any of them were to go down the backups would be fine.