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An article mentioned the Jags are a little over 3 million in cap space. This would be after the Armstead signing. Any confirmation of this being true?

(03-16-2024, 11:30 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 11:27 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]We’re gonna need to draft a WR in Rd 1 no ifs and or butts about it. Last year of Trevor’s deal … we need to get him as much firepower is possible

It's not the last year of Trevor's deal.  

And, if we want to help Trevor, the things that will help Trevor the most are a better running game and a better defense.  Sure, draft a WR1 with the first pick, and see how well he does when we're constantly in 2nd and 12 like we were last year.

Technically ur right but we are likely to give him his big deal next offseason

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(03-16-2024, 11:30 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 11:27 AM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]We’re gonna need to draft a WR in Rd 1 no ifs and or butts about it. Last year of Trevor’s deal … we need to get him as much firepower is possible

It's not the last year of Trevor's deal.  

And, if we want to help Trevor, the things that will help Trevor the most are a better running game and a better defense.  Sure, draft a WR1 with the first pick, and see how well he does when we're constantly in 2nd and 12 like we were last year.

Technically ur right but we are likely to give him his big deal next offseason

(03-16-2024, 04:59 PM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]An article mentioned the Jags are a little over 3 million in cap space. This would be after the Armstead signing. Any confirmation of this being true?

Capspace says 16.2 without Armstead, Hance, D'earst Johnson and Caleb Johnson. Guess we wait till the contracts are signed. That is with Josh counting 24 million.

(03-16-2024, 04:59 PM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]An article mentioned the Jags are a little over 3 million in cap space. This would be after the Armstead signing. Any confirmation of this being true?

It might’ve been $3M before Armstead.  With his signing we’re gonna need to cut or restructure one or more.  Need about $8M to sign the rookies as well.

(03-16-2024, 08:10 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 04:59 PM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]An article mentioned the Jags are a little over 3 million in cap space. This would be after the Armstead signing. Any confirmation of this being true?

It might’ve been $3M before Armstead.  With his signing we’re gonna need to cut or restructure one or more.  Need about $8M to sign the rookies as well.

Bye bye Zay and Big Ray.

(03-16-2024, 09:47 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 08:10 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]It might’ve been $3M before Armstead.  With his signing we’re gonna need to cut or restructure one or more.  Need about $8M to sign the rookies as well.

Bye bye Zay and Big Ray.

Do you feel Ledbetter or anyone drafted this year would be a better backup than Big Ray?

If the answer is no, how could you possibly get rid of our best backup defensive lineman?  And why?

(03-17-2024, 01:56 AM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 09:47 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]Bye bye Zay and Big Ray.

Do you feel Ledbetter or anyone drafted this year would be a better backup than Big Ray?

If the answer is no, how could you possibly get rid of our best backup defensive lineman?  And why?

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Allen signing will probably lower his cap hit this year and create enough space for the rookies. If we were to trade for Aiyuk or otherwise make another big splash in free agency, I think something big would have to happen to the roster to accommodate it, like cutting/trading Cam. I'm surprised Armstead's signing didn't already force some moves based on what I was looking at the other day, but perhaps I was looking at dated or incorrect numbers. Armstead doesn't have a cap hit yet because the terms of his deal have not yet been made public, but if you assume it'll be in the $13M range for year 1 and cut the bottom end of the roster to 53 on spotrac, it leaves you with about $2M in cap space prior to Allen's deal getting done. They could alternatively do a much larger signing bonus and much lower year 1 salary to get his cap hit even lower this year, but I just think you have to be mindful of the cap beyond the current year and such a move would make Armstead's cap hit significantly higher over the 2 years.

Riley is a fine back up plan at Kicker, but I think we're still gonna prefer a better option if we can manage it. Perhaps that comes in the draft or college free agency and doesn't cost much, but if they go the veteran route (if any decent ones are still available), that could take up $2-$3M as well.

(03-17-2024, 09:31 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Allen signing will probably lower his cap hit this year and create enough space for the rookies.  If we were to trade for Aiyuk or otherwise make another big splash in free agency, I think something big would have to happen to the roster to accommodate it, like cutting/trading Cam.  I'm surprised Armstead's signing didn't already force some moves based on what I was looking at the other day, but perhaps I was looking at dated or incorrect numbers.  Armstead doesn't have a cap hit yet because the terms of his deal have not yet been made public, but if you assume it'll be in the $13M range for year 1 and cut the bottom end of the roster to 53 on spotrac, it leaves you with about $2M in cap space prior to Allen's deal getting done.  They could alternatively do a much larger signing bonus and much lower year 1 salary to get his cap hit even lower this year, but I just think you have to be mindful of the cap beyond the current year and such a move would make Armstead's cap hit significantly higher over the 2 years.

Riley is a fine back up plan at Kicker, but I think we're still gonna prefer a better option if we can manage it.  Perhaps that comes in the draft or college free agency and doesn't cost much, but if they go the veteran route (if any decent ones are still available), that could take up $2-$3M as well.

It's pretty easy to get a lot more cap space with simple restructures.  Overthecap.com says the Jaguars could generate an additional $34 million in cap space with simple restructures.  

For anyone who doesn't know what a simple restructure is, the team takes a player's salary for this year, declares it a bonus, and spreads the cap hit over the remaining life of the contract.  It doesn't require the player's permission, because it doesn't affect the player at all.  He still gets the same amount of money at the same time as he would have before the restructure.  

For example, Christian Kirk has a base salary for 2024 of $14,500,000.  His contract goes for 4 more years including this one (they tacked on 2 voidable years).  So, if the Jaguars want to declare his 2024 base salary to be a bonus, then that reduces his cap hit for this year by $10,875,000.  With the stroke of a pen, you have generated $10,875,000 of additional cap space for 2024.  

Restructure Potential | Over the Cap

Of course, when you do something like this, you are just pushing a lot of this year's cap hit into future years, so you have to be cognizant of that.

(03-17-2024, 09:52 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-17-2024, 09:31 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Allen signing will probably lower his cap hit this year and create enough space for the rookies.  If we were to trade for Aiyuk or otherwise make another big splash in free agency, I think something big would have to happen to the roster to accommodate it, like cutting/trading Cam.  I'm surprised Armstead's signing didn't already force some moves based on what I was looking at the other day, but perhaps I was looking at dated or incorrect numbers.  Armstead doesn't have a cap hit yet because the terms of his deal have not yet been made public, but if you assume it'll be in the $13M range for year 1 and cut the bottom end of the roster to 53 on spotrac, it leaves you with about $2M in cap space prior to Allen's deal getting done.  They could alternatively do a much larger signing bonus and much lower year 1 salary to get his cap hit even lower this year, but I just think you have to be mindful of the cap beyond the current year and such a move would make Armstead's cap hit significantly higher over the 2 years.

Riley is a fine back up plan at Kicker, but I think we're still gonna prefer a better option if we can manage it.  Perhaps that comes in the draft or college free agency and doesn't cost much, but if they go the veteran route (if any decent ones are still available), that could take up $2-$3M as well.

It's pretty easy to get a lot more cap space with simple restructures.  Overthecap.com says the Jaguars could generate an additional $34 million in cap space with simple restructures.  

For anyone who doesn't know what a simple restructure is, the team takes a player's salary for this year, declares it a bonus, and spreads the cap hit over the remaining life of the contract.  It doesn't require the player's permission, because it doesn't affect the player at all.  He still gets the same amount of money at the same time as he would have before the restructure.  

For example, Christian Kirk has a base salary for 2024 of $14,500,000.  His contract goes for 4 more years including this one (they tacked on 2 voidable years).  So, if the Jaguars want to declare his 2024 base salary to be a bonus, then that reduces his cap hit for this year by $10,875,000.  With the stroke of a pen, you have generated $10,875,000 of additional cap space for 2024.  

Restructure Potential | Over the Cap

Of course, when you do something like this, you are just pushing a lot of this year's cap hit into future years, so you have to be cognizant of that.

Yes I'm aware, but we're going to have to pay Lawrence next year and that should be influencing Baalke to not want to do something like that with Kirk.  Kirk was already restructured last year as well so doing it again this year is a mistake in his situation in my opinion.  Doing it to Cam might otherwise be very attractive but is a big risk in my opinion given his PED suspension history.  I'm not a big fan of selling out for one year and then paying for it for the next few.  I'd rather a consistently well maintained cap situation that allows us to truly compete every year.

(03-16-2024, 07:04 AM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ]I hope we are not going for a WR in the first two rounds.
We still need big uglies in the trenches.

Guard and DE/DT is still a need.
Scherff is getting old and bad on running game.
Hamilton was not good last season and we don't know if he is healthy.

Fautanu or Byron Murphy II would be nice.
I understand that you guys want a WR or a CB. Morse and Armstead are great but it's not enough to me

(03-16-2024, 09:40 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]If Baalke drafted a big ugly in every round of the draft, I would not be mad. We have the QB. We have to protect him. He has the potential to make average guys great with time. I'm worried we are going to break him trying to get him a star receiver. We have a great TE. We have guys that can get open. Get the dude protection and we are competing for a championship each year.

Agreed.  Imaging giving Trevor another 1.5 seconds every time he dropped back.

(03-17-2024, 10:48 AM)copycat Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-16-2024, 07:04 AM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ]I hope we are not going for a WR in the first two rounds.
We still need big uglies in the trenches.

Guard and DE/DT is still a need.
Scherff is getting old and bad on running game.
Hamilton was not good last season and we don't know if he is healthy.

Fautanu or Byron Murphy II would be nice.
I understand that you guys want a WR or a CB. Morse and Armstead are great but it's not enough to me

(03-16-2024, 09:40 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]If Baalke drafted a big ugly in every round of the draft, I would not be mad. We have the QB. We have to protect him. He has the potential to make average guys great with time. I'm worried we are going to break him trying to get him a star receiver. We have a great TE. We have guys that can get open. Get the dude protection and we are competing for a championship each year.

Agreed.  Imaging giving Trevor another 1.5 seconds every time he dropped back.

Another 1.5 seconds?  That's long time lol

Yeah, 1.5 seconds is probably not realistic, but I bet you could get close to a second.

A second doesn't seem like a long time, but think about how much more ground is covered at the NFL level. At 20mph (the average NFL WR speed is 19.5mph), 1 second is almost an extra 10 yards per receiver, which means your plays really have a chance to get fully developed. That's a lot of information a QB can use to make better decisions. More time for reads. More time to break defenses. I think too many folks get caught up in the glamour of that 1 receiver, but giving your QB an extra second is WAY more valuable in terms of opening up the field. Additionally, think about how many hurries, sacks, and pressures go away if you add an extra second. Think about how many injuries are curtailed by that. Think of how much more confidence that gives a QB. I really don't understand why it hasn't been more valued in Jacksonville, especially since our early years were defined by a top-notch offensive line.

Truth be told, I'm oversimplifying it a bit. However, for all intents and purposes, reducing the amount of blown blocks, missed assignments, picking up blitzes effectively do the same. They add time. Part of the reason Lawrence has a low time to throw is because he gets rid of the ball so fast (by design in most cases). Creating a more consistent environment for Trevor might not result in an extra second per play on average, but it will give him a more consistent backfield on each play, which are the seconds that count. In that regard, 1 to 1.5 seconds is not unrealistic.

(03-17-2024, 11:05 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, 1.5 seconds is probably not realistic, but I bet you could get close to a second.

A second doesn't seem like a long time, but think about how much more ground is covered at the NFL level. At 20mph (the average NFL WR speed is 19.5mph), 1 second is almost an extra 10 yards per receiver, which means your plays really have a chance to get fully developed. That's a lot of information a QB can use to make better decisions. More time for reads. More time to break defenses. I think too many folks get caught up in the glamour of that 1 receiver, but giving your QB an extra second is WAY more valuable in terms of opening up the field. Additionally, think about how many hurries, sacks, and pressures go away if you add an extra second. Think about how many injuries are curtailed by that. Think of how much more confidence that gives a QB. I really don't understand why it hasn't been more valued in Jacksonville, especially since our early years were defined by a top-notch offensive line.

BINGO!  Especially when the pressure is NOT coming up the middle, in his face. All QB's with a madman charging at him up the middle have real issues surveying the field. Last year out competition targeted the areas covered by our center and LG.  Despite being hurt Sheriff did pretty well on his side. However the gap between him and our center was dicey.

I’d lean protection over receivers but I’d lean even more toward best talent available if there’s a significant gap in grade as both are valuable commodities. Are the guys available in the draft along the interior good enough to provide what is desired? That’s the million dollar question that Baalke and co will be providing insight to in about 6 weeks. Hopefully whatever their choices are wind up being correct ones.

Corner and receiver have to be the first 2 picks (unless someone insane drops)

(03-17-2024, 02:01 PM)Ordar Wrote: [ -> ]Corner and receiver have to be the first 2 picks (unless someone insane drops)

Might not be a fit for this thread but who would you consider insane?

(03-17-2024, 02:08 PM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-17-2024, 02:01 PM)Ordar Wrote: [ -> ]Corner and receiver have to be the first 2 picks (unless someone insane drops)

Might not be a fit for this thread but who would you consider insane?

Bowers

(03-17-2024, 02:01 PM)Ordar Wrote: [ -> ]Corner and receiver have to be the first 2 picks (unless someone insane drops)

I would say GOOD O-line and D-line have to be first (unless someone insane drops).

It is ok for us to have different opinions.....