(03-13-2024, 06:52 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2024, 06:48 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]If the Jags had signed Ridley you would have been one of the first in line to blast Baalke for giving him that contract and would have had an absolute meltdown when Ridley was the 3rd best WR on the roster.
Yes I feel we are better today then at the end of last season. And your opinion to the contrary mean just as little as mine.
Again, this isn’t just about Ridley. It’s about Baalke and his overall roster building. He has been botching situations left and right. The OLine isn’t any better than it was when he took over as GM. The WR room still needs work. Pass rush still needs work. Secondary still needs work. That’s the point here. Ridley is just icing on the cake.
Do you honestly have faith in Baalke? What has he shown you to give you faith?
I've only been watching the Jags for 2 years...but I actually like Baalke's free agent signings.
Keys
Oluakun
Darius Williams
Engram
Cleveland
Kirk
Jones
Jenkins
Agnew
Not all are still on the team...but all added value at some point in their time here.
Again...drafting could be better..but imo that's also up in the air.
Hell...Bringing in Ridley for a 3rd round pick...that's not a bad deal. It wasn't Baalke's fault that Cam tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, that the OLine kept getting hurt and both the top WR from the year before suffered bad injuries. He also didn't ask his starting QB to get injured...or turn the ball over as much as he did.
He needs to improve his drafts...we agree. But he's done above average with the free agent acquisitions imo.
(03-13-2024, 07:13 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2024, 06:52 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Again, this isn’t just about Ridley. It’s about Baalke and his overall roster building. He has been botching situations left and right. The OLine isn’t any better than it was when he took over as GM. The WR room still needs work. Pass rush still needs work. Secondary still needs work. That’s the point here. Ridley is just icing on the cake.
Do you honestly have faith in Baalke? What has he shown you to give you faith?
I've only been watching the Jags for 2 years...but I actually like Baalke's free agent signings.
Keys
Oluakun
Darius Williams
Engram
Cleveland
Kirk
Jones
Jenkins
Agnew
Not all are still on the team...but all added value at some point in their time here.
Again...drafting could be better..but imo that's also up in the air.
Hell...Bringing in Ridley for a 3rd round pick...that's not a bad deal. It wasn't Baalke's fault that Cam tested positive for performance enhancing drugs, that the OLine kept getting hurt and both the top WR from the year before suffered bad injuries. He also didn't ask his starting QB to get injured...or turn the ball over as much as he did.
He needs to improve his drafts...we agree. But he's done above average with the free agent acquisitions imo.
2 years?!
That makes sense. You’re not jaded yet
(03-13-2024, 02:34 PM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ]Also have to wonder if the team will factor in the versatility (if you call it that) of Little/Cleveland where they can play G or T (along with Blake Hance) and looking to draft/develop another pure T vice paying Cam 20 million. I love Cam's nastiness, but that dollar amount doesn't justify the expediture
To me Walker Little is strictly an OT and LT is his best position.
(03-13-2024, 05:13 PM)CSTblank Wrote: [ -> ]Ridley to the titans 4 years 92 million - 50 million guaranteed
That’s a lot of mayonnaise.
Let’s see what Trevor can do again when he is not forcing it to a single receiver each game
(03-13-2024, 06:32 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2024, 06:27 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]We have the same WRs we had the year we made the playoffs plus Gabe Davis. Kirk has shown in our system he can put up the same numbers Ridley did last year. Zay and Davis are capable of putting up 700+ and 7 TDs and we still have Engram. People need to stop acting like we just lost Chase or Jefferson.
There’s no plan.
Are the Jags better today than they were at the end of last season? No. They upgraded center and then what?
It’s clear they’ve botched the Josh Allen and Ridley situation. Traded a 3rd rounder for a 1 year rental of Ridley only to see him walk in FA. Brilliant! This has less to do with Ridley and more to do with his roster building. He has wasted away the rookie contract years of Trevor. Once they pay him, they will have to rely on good drafting (hahahaha with Baalke?!) and savvy FA moves (hahahaha with Baalke?!)
And I’m sure Baalke would have found a way to lose Jefferson or Chase.
That one year rental of Ridley was the difference between being in playoff contention week 18 or not. The injuries to Kirk and Zay would have made the team utterly irrelevant if not for Ridley. I don't know that there was any better way to buy that type of injury insurance, even though it was only for 1 season.
Well damn. T*tans just threw crazy money at him and that was enough. At least it looks like Zay will stay now. I wonder how that news went down in the FO.
I don't mind him taking a deal somewhere else, I do mind going to the [BLEEP] T*tans.
Money grabbing traitor.
Ridley may very well contribute to us receiving a comp pick next year. Also, the lamenting of having to tag Allen and allowing Ridley to walk is presuming that Allen was ready to sign before the deadline this year or was willing to sign a smaller deal last year. It's great in theory, but many players bet on themselves for the bigger payday. It also takes two to tango. Has it been reported anywhere that Allen was seeking a deal last year and Baalke thumbed his nose at him?
Lastly, a bigger bodied receiver helps us more I think. We had no problems moving up and down the field last year or the year before. It was the red zone and short yardage that were our biggest challenges. A bigger body will help more in the redzone. Gabe is somewhat of a bigger body, but he's not a well rounded receiver. He does a couple of things well and is a deep threat. I wouldn't pay trade comp and pay Tee a mega deal. I'd kick the tires on Mike Williams or I'd look to the draft for that bigger bodied guy. We need a good young WR on a cheap deal in the room anyway.
(03-13-2024, 07:41 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Well damn. T*tans just threw crazy money at him and that was enough. At least it looks like Zay will stay now. I wonder how that news went down in the FO.
I don't mind him taking a deal somewhere else, I do mind going to the [BLEEP] T*tans.
Money grabbing traitor.
I would expect a Third Round Compensation pick next Year for Ridley.
(03-13-2024, 07:53 PM)JAGs Nation Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2024, 07:41 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]Well damn. T*tans just threw crazy money at him and that was enough. At least it looks like Zay will stay now. I wonder how that news went down in the FO.
I don't mind him taking a deal somewhere else, I do mind going to the [BLEEP] T*tans.
Money grabbing traitor.
I would expect a Third Round Compensation pick next Year for Ridley.
I believe with what we spent this offseason, it'll be difficult to get a comp pick.
(03-13-2024, 07:51 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Ridley may very well contribute to us receiving a comp pick next year. Also, the lamenting of having to tag Allen and allowing Ridley to walk is presuming that Allen was ready to sign before the deadline this year or was willing to sign a smaller deal last year. It's great in theory, but many players bet on themselves for the bigger payday. It also takes two to tango. Has it been reported anywhere that Allen was seeking a deal last year and Baalke thumbed his nose at him?
Lastly, a bigger bodied receiver helps us more I think. We had no problems moving up and down the field last year or the year before. It was the red zone and short yardage that were our biggest challenges. A bigger body will help more in the redzone. Gabe is somewhat of a bigger body, but he's not a well rounded receiver. He does a couple of things well and is a deep threat. I wouldn't pay trade comp and pay Tee a mega deal. I'd kick the tires on Mike Williams or I'd look to the draft for that bigger bodied guy. We need a good young WR on a cheap deal in the room anyway.
No.
Allen's camp very well could have planned the long game for his contract negotiation from the outset - and signing a deal after 2022 would not have maximized their deal. Can't assume they'd have played ball then or over the last few weeks. Waiting - had it truly been their plan - has proven to be the wise choice and Allen's $$ has gone up because they waited.
His agent is one of the most respected in the business from what I read. Wouldn't shock me if he indeed encouraged Allen to wait.
Gabe Davis suits the X position better than Ridley does on paper. I don't know if he's a 1000 yard receiver on this team, but he should produce. He's just got to be enough of a threat to let Kirk and Zay cook most of the time.
(03-13-2024, 07:51 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Ridley may very well contribute to us receiving a comp pick next year. Also, the lamenting of having to tag Allen and allowing Ridley to walk is presuming that Allen was ready to sign before the deadline this year or was willing to sign a smaller deal last year. It's great in theory, but many players bet on themselves for the bigger payday. It also takes two to tango. Has it been reported anywhere that Allen was seeking a deal last year and Baalke thumbed his nose at him?
Lastly, a bigger bodied receiver helps us more I think. We had no problems moving up and down the field last year or the year before. It was the red zone and short yardage that were our biggest challenges. A bigger body will help more in the redzone. Gabe is somewhat of a bigger body, but he's not a well rounded receiver. He does a couple of things well and is a deep threat. I wouldn't pay trade comp and pay Tee a mega deal. I'd kick the tires on Mike Williams or I'd look to the draft for that bigger bodied guy. We need a good young WR on a cheap deal in the room anyway.
I'm guessing this has thrown a spanner in the works with what the plan was. My first hope is they don't panic and make a rash decision to try and 'fix' it. There are a few guys available like Williams and Renfrow was released today.
Higgins would be very welcome but it's going to probably cost our 1st rounder or like 2 2nd's as i think the Bengals want one more shot with what they have right now. If we do make a move then we'd have to sort a new contract straight away so I guess the question is do you get a better WR than Higgins at #17? Obviously if you draft a WR you have 4-5 years of a rookie contract but there is the unknown factor.
I'm guessing the plan was to get Ridley and use the draft elsewhere but I wonder what they'll do now. We have the money they were planning for Ridley to make some moves with.
(03-13-2024, 07:36 PM)jaglyn Wrote: [ -> ]Let’s see what Trevor can do again when he is not forcing it to a single receiver each game
This is where I’m at wit it. Kirk, Zay, Engram, and Etienne has proven they can be a top 10 scoring offense. When they are all on the field together, they are a problem for any defense in the league.
There was no way under the sun the Jaguars were going to afford Cam Robinson, Josh Allen, Christian Kirk, and Calvin Ridley with Trevor Lawrence’s contract looming.
With a possible breakout season for a guy like Tyson Campbell, who could have a pro bowl type season in 2024, who is capable of having a big year just like Allen did.
With Ridley gone, it could make room for a guy like Elijah Cooks.
Hopefully not signing Ridley will be a blessing in disguise
(03-13-2024, 06:52 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2024, 06:48 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]If the Jags had signed Ridley you would have been one of the first in line to blast Baalke for giving him that contract and would have had an absolute meltdown when Ridley was the 3rd best WR on the roster.
Yes I feel we are better today then at the end of last season. And your opinion to the contrary mean just as little as mine.
Again, this isn’t just about Ridley. It’s about Baalke and his overall roster building. He has been botching situations left and right. The OLine isn’t any better than it was when he took over as GM. The WR room still needs work. Pass rush still needs work. Secondary still needs work. That’s the point here. Ridley is just icing on the cake.
Do you honestly have faith in Baalke? What has he shown you to give you faith?
When it comes to free agency yes I have some faith in him as a lot of the guys he's gotten have contributed. I remember a lot of people think very little of Williams when he was signed and no one expected Zay, Kirk, or Engram to have the season they did their first year, Oluokun has been great, Jenkins had his moments. His issue has been the draft and that's a big issue to have.
As for Josh Allen how is some of the blame for him not signing not on him and his camp and all on Baalke? Their asking for 30 mil a year and players who have been far more consistent than him have only gotten 25-27 mil a year this cycle.
(03-13-2024, 08:01 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2024, 07:51 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Ridley may very well contribute to us receiving a comp pick next year. Also, the lamenting of having to tag Allen and allowing Ridley to walk is presuming that Allen was ready to sign before the deadline this year or was willing to sign a smaller deal last year. It's great in theory, but many players bet on themselves for the bigger payday. It also takes two to tango. Has it been reported anywhere that Allen was seeking a deal last year and Baalke thumbed his nose at him?
Lastly, a bigger bodied receiver helps us more I think. We had no problems moving up and down the field last year or the year before. It was the red zone and short yardage that were our biggest challenges. A bigger body will help more in the redzone. Gabe is somewhat of a bigger body, but he's not a well rounded receiver. He does a couple of things well and is a deep threat. I wouldn't pay trade comp and pay Tee a mega deal. I'd kick the tires on Mike Williams or I'd look to the draft for that bigger bodied guy. We need a good young WR on a cheap deal in the room anyway.
No.
Allen's camp very well could have planned the long game for his contract negotiation from the outset - and signing a deal after 2022 would not have maximized their deal. Can't assume they'd have played ball then or over the last few weeks. Waiting - had it truly been their plan - has proven to be the wise choice and Allen's $$ has gone up because they waited.
His agent is one of the most respected in the business from what I read. Wouldn't shock me if he indeed encouraged Allen to wait.
Gabe Davis suits the X position better than Ridley does on paper. I don't know if he's a 1000 yard receiver on this team, but he should produce. He's just got to be enough of a threat to let Kirk and Zay cook most of the time.
It's extremely unlikely that the FO was aggressive towards getting a deal with Allen last offseason since he was coming off back to back 7 sack seasons. They likely wanted to see some elite production from him, and they are paying for it. If anything they likely threw him a lowball offer, in which Allen chose to bet on himself. It's my opinion and speculation, but the only reason we are in this position is because it all circles back to Allen and that's a fact. It's going to be a complete DISASTER if Allen chooses to go the Ramsey route and complain of "back pain" all year and wants nothing to do with the Jags moving forward, because that's where this looks like this train is heading.
(03-13-2024, 07:58 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2024, 07:53 PM)JAGs Nation Wrote: [ -> ]I would expect a Third Round Compensation pick next Year for Ridley.
I believe with what we spent this offseason, it'll be difficult to get a comp pick.
The Jaguars will not be eligible because they signed 4 new players earning in the top 35% of the league while losing only 2 such players to free agency (they cut more but cutting doesn't count for this) You have to lose more players than you sign.
Then, if a team qualifies, they assign the picks based on the money totals. The amount of money the Jags spent on Davis or the amount of money the Titans are spending on Ridley would only factor in if Jags lost more players as free agents or gained fewer players.
Basically the way to get a compensatory selection is to keep your high dollar guys through the end of their contracts and then lose them, not cut them early.
(03-13-2024, 09:02 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (03-13-2024, 06:52 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Again, this isn’t just about Ridley. It’s about Baalke and his overall roster building. He has been botching situations left and right. The OLine isn’t any better than it was when he took over as GM. The WR room still needs work. Pass rush still needs work. Secondary still needs work. That’s the point here. Ridley is just icing on the cake.
Do you honestly have faith in Baalke? What has he shown you to give you faith?
When it comes to free agency yes I have some faith in him as a lot of the guys he's gotten have contributed. I remember a lot of people think very little of Williams when he was signed and no one expected Zay, Kirk, or Engram to have the season they did their first year, Oluokun has been great, Jenkins had his moments. His issue has been the draft and that's a big issue to have.
As for Josh Allen how is some of the blame for him not signing not on him and his camp and all on Baalke? They’re asking for 30 mil a year and players who have been far more consistent than him have only gotten 25-27 mil a year this cycle.
Baalke is reactionary rather than proactive in his roster building.
This team has very few true young building blocks. Travon, Trevor and Anton. That might be it. Maybe Cisco, Campbell, Lloyd but that’s it. He is so bad at drafting that every couple years, they have to repatch his FA acquisitions. Get Rayshawn? 2 years later get Savage. Get Darious? 2 years later get Darby. Where are all the young building block contract extensions? Oh that’s right…. They botched it with Josh Allen because they wanted to probably save a few million.
And I think my #1 issue is how this all plays into a Trevor extension. Why on earth would he re sign here with Baalke? It’s going to end up like Matt Stafford in Detroit.