(03-28-2024, 01:50 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-28-2024, 01:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]More than likely designed to operate as a fullback or in-line blocker, in order to free up strange to run routes
Yeah. A little too soon I think with giving up on a 61st overall pick just barely under a year ago. We'll see if they start doing different things philosophically with the running game. It just doesn't work at all here consistently enough and you can't keep banking on one player at Center being the primary, root cause of failing there.
I mean, I hope it's true, but, they should still be beefing up the depth chart next month. All of those cute little shirts they wore the past few years with being poorly ranked as a unit should now have a new mantra of being healthy and holding up better physically.
Our so called "best five" didn't start last year as a whole unit until the season finale with everything riding on the line and they folded like napkins in crunch time.
You undervalue a healthy Ezra Cleveland. I expect he'll end the revolving door at LG this season and he's a much better than average player. The right guard and center should both be addressed in the draft due to age, but I doubt we'll see that happen. Tackle is a mystery to me, both the left side guys are free agents after next season and I'd expect a replacement to be drafted, but Baalke doesn't act like normal people, so who knows? If it were me I'd leave the draft with JPJ and at least one of the mid-round guards like Haynes, Mahogany, Beebe, or Zinter along with a developmental tackle like Goncalves or Rosengarten. Get new guys in here because we'll need them in another year.
(03-28-2024, 11:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-28-2024, 10:50 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]https://x.com/Schultz_Report/status/1773...52464?s=20
47 career catches for 436 yards in a 4-year career.
That sounds like a camp body. To fill out a 90-man roster.
Deguara was literally listed as a FB at one point in GB
Don't look at his receiving numbers for clues on his potential role in Jax.
When a "TE" plays 380 snaps but has 32 targets... catching the ball is not the primary focus.
Also - He played LOTS of special teams in GB and we have a new kickoff strategy being employed. This could be a kickoff team placement.
(03-28-2024, 02:29 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-28-2024, 11:09 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]47 career catches for 436 yards in a 4-year career.
That sounds like a camp body. To fill out a 90-man roster.
Deguara was literally listed as a FB at one point in GB
Don't look at his receiving numbers for clues on his potential role in Jax.
When a "TE" plays 380 snaps but has 32 targets... catching the ball is not the primary focus.
Now I'm thinking he's probably a special teams player. The new kickoff rules could change what kind of players teams put on kickoff coverage. More bulk, less speed. That's the speculation I have heard.
(03-28-2024, 02:32 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-28-2024, 02:29 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Deguara was literally listed as a FB at one point in GB
Don't look at his receiving numbers for clues on his potential role in Jax.
When a "TE" plays 380 snaps but has 32 targets... catching the ball is not the primary focus.
Now I'm thinking he's probably a special teams player. The new kickoff rules could change what kind of players teams put on kickoff coverage. More bulk, less speed. That's the speculation I have heard.
Yes - was just editing my post to reflect that while you posted this ^
His experience as a lead blocker would be a nice thing to see our run game utilize however. Fingers crossed.
(03-28-2024, 02:27 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-28-2024, 01:50 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah. A little too soon I think with giving up on a 61st overall pick just barely under a year ago. We'll see if they start doing different things philosophically with the running game. It just doesn't work at all here consistently enough and you can't keep banking on one player at Center being the primary, root cause of failing there.
I mean, I hope it's true, but, they should still be beefing up the depth chart next month. All of those cute little shirts they wore the past few years with being poorly ranked as a unit should now have a new mantra of being healthy and holding up better physically.
Our so called "best five" didn't start last year as a whole unit until the season finale with everything riding on the line and they folded like napkins in crunch time.
You undervalue a healthy Ezra Cleveland. I expect he'll end the revolving door at LG this season and he's a much better than average player. The right guard and center should both be addressed in the draft due to age, but I doubt we'll see that happen. Tackle is a mystery to me, both the left side guys are free agents after next season and I'd expect a replacement to be drafted, but Baalke doesn't act like normal people, so who knows? If it were me I'd leave the draft with JPJ and at least one of the mid-round guards like Haynes, Mahogany, Beebe, or Zinter along with a developmental tackle like Goncalves or Rosengarten. Get new guys in here because we'll need them in another year.
Everybody keeps saying JPJ is not worth the 17th overall selection, because of the position, however, when I look around at most mock sites? I have seen him go to Miami just inside the early 20's. Recently now he's getting traction with Dallas at 24.
JPJ's selection wouldn't hurt my feelings one bit. You could play him at guard as a rookie to challenge Scherff for a year or just plan on developing him at Center and figuring something out with Morse and Fortner.
Tackle is concerning. On two fronts. The starting LT and the back-up swing tackle. If they don't land a quality lineman on the opening night of the draft I would think you have to start eyeing those pair of 4th RD picks just outside the top 100 in a potential effort to move up.
It sucks right now. We go 17 to 48 and then we have to wait another 48 selections to get our next pick at 96. That's a long, long wait and a big, big game of chance there. I would be tempted to creep back up into the later half of RD2 or earlier stages of RD3 with somebody looking to move back.
This draft seems so deep I'm not sure trading up is the right move. I know you can't keep everyone, but trading down interests me more.
(03-28-2024, 03:50 PM)HardcoreMoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]This draft seems so deep I'm not sure trading up is the right move. I know you can't keep everyone, but trading down interests me more.
I am all for trading down within reason. We racked up thirteen or fourteen selections last year and we're hoping at least half of that group will be main staples as contributors going into year two and beyond.
We have eight selections in this year's draft. With five of them being within the top one-hundred and sixteen. I am all for getting the most out of your value. Moving down from seventeen wouldn't hurt my feelings.
Ideally, some scenarios come to mind:
We send 17 to Tampa Bay for picks 26 and 57.
We send 17 to San Francisco for picks 31 and 63 and a 4th RD selection in 2025.
We send 17 to Los Angeles Chargers for picks 37, 69 and next year's 2nd and 3rd RD selections in 2025.
Those are some of the trade scenarios I have seen come up with values placed in that capacity. With those ranges at 26 & 57 I could land a quality offensive lineman and defensive lineman in either RD. With those ranges of 31 & 63 I could land a quality receiver and cornerback in either RD while picking up a future 4th.
The Chargers deal is a little risky. You're completely foregoing the 1st RD for an early 2nd RD and 3rd RD pick while also picking up a pair of future 2nd and 3rd RD picks. This is risky but I kind of like it. You're hoping Harbaugh is a dud with the Chargers in year one.
It gives you a [BLEEP] ton of ammo in 2025 to potentially restock or trade up to secure Lawrence an ASBOLUTE resolution at WR or LT. While still having plenty of selections left to backfill other immediate areas of need with contracts looming to expire in 2025/2026.
I agree trade down for 2nd and 3rd round value. Not down for extra 6&7.
There's no definitive answer. It depends on your board. If there's a drop off ahead of where you are picking, you give strong consideration to attempting to trade up at a reasonable cost to take advantage. If there are plenty of prospects at a similar grade when it's your turn, you give strong consideration to trading back if you get an attractive offer to do so. There are a lot of other factors and scenarios so this is somewhat of an over simplification, but there is no "always the right decision" type of answer. If you're trading up for an eventual hall of famer, for instance, nabbing him would likely be worth a lot more than the 2nd or 3rd rounder you're giving up to make the move. We obviously don't have the luxury of knowing the ramifications of moves and selections ahead of time though.
I used to play the [BLEEP] out of this game back in the day:
NFL Head Coach '09
Sure it's a game and is going to leave out a lot of the minutiae of real life and the cap is hard and not as massagable as it is in real life, but this game was great for NFL offseason and draft junkies. You have position coaches and a GM you can hire and fire during the offseason. Each has their own strengths and weaknesses on player development and evaluation. Different GMs have different strengths evaluating specific position groups. The combine results are posted for your review of measurables. You bid on free agents. When multiple school Pro Days occur on the same day, you have to choose which you're (your GM) is going to visit personally which unlocks additional evaluation about the prospects from that school. You have several personal visits with prospects of your choosing which unlocks more information. Ultimately if you scout a player well enough, you'll be able to see his "potential" score. Guys with potential scores in the 90's are your league all stars and hall of famers generally. Anyway, there's a lot more to it, but you have to navigate the draft with your big board with full info on some guys that you spent a lot of time on and partial info on others unless and until your GM's skills are good enough in later seasons, then you start unlocking a lot more prospects' "potential" scores and have a more accurate big board. I don't play Madden, but I heard they just merged this game with Madden Franchise mode or whatever, but I heard the off-season stuff that this game focused on got watered down in the process. I don't have a console system any longer, but I would probably buy one if they re-did this game with current rosters and updated graphics.
I played Front Office Football on the PC for a minute a few years back which is similar, but no where near as good. Anyone with free time and into this sort of thing would get a lot out of the Head Coach game I think. The Jags start in a tough spot that year with some bad contracts that need to be jettisoned and I used to generally fire my GM immediately and hope a good one is available to hire. The free agent coaches and GMs vary year to year and aren't always the same play through to play through which keeps it interesting. Also, there are 4 distinct prospect tracks to be on and you are randomly put on one with a new start up and won't know which one it is until you get to your first draft and start seeing some prospects that are only on that particular track. Keeps it fresh on complete re-starts of the game.
(03-28-2024, 01:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-28-2024, 01:17 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Potential Strange replacement.
https://x.com/TDJaguarsPod/status/177337...56461?s=20
More than likely designed to operate as a fullback or in-line blocker, in order to free up strange to run routes
Those are some of the reason we drafted Strange, for H-back or in-line blocker. If we go WR early like some expect, i dont see very many opportunities where they want Strange running routes unless he improves a ton from last year. Hopefully Strange can do a 180 this year and live up to his draft status along with Bigsby. I think Bigsby ends up the most impoved player this year.
(03-28-2024, 05:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-28-2024, 01:25 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]More than likely designed to operate as a fullback or in-line blocker, in order to free up strange to run routes
Those are some of the reason we drafted Strange, for H-back or in-line blocker. If we go WR early like some expect, i dont see very many opportunities where they want Strange running routes unless he improves a ton from last year. Hopefully Strange can do a 180 this year and live up to his draft status along with Bigsby. I think Bigsby ends up the most impoved player this year.
Strange BETTER [BLEEP] improve from last year or it was a horrible pick
You don't spend the second rounder on a TE to just block
He needs to present a viable element to the passing game, or they really [BLEEP] up that picK
I wouldn't be making any assumptions about wide receiver in the draft right now either if I were you
(03-28-2024, 06:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-28-2024, 05:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Those are some of the reason we drafted Strange, for H-back or in-line blocker. If we go WR early like some expect, i dont see very many opportunities where they want Strange running routes unless he improves a ton from last year. Hopefully Strange can do a 180 this year and live up to his draft status along with Bigsby. I think Bigsby ends up the most impoved player this year.
Strange BETTER [BLEEP] improve from last year or it was a horrible pick
You don't spend the second rounder on a TE to just block
He needs to present a viable element to the passing game, or they really [BLEEP] up that picK
I wouldn't be making any assumptions about wide receiver in the draft right now either if I were you
I'm not making any assumptions at WR. Most people expect a WR early but I think we are decent there and would be good value in the mid rounds at WR if we want to go that route. If our oline is better the WRs and Trevor will look much better along with the backs. It just depends on how the board falls. That's why I like what we did in FA, there isn't any glaring holes that we have to reach for a certain position. Baalke set us up where we can go a bunch of different directions come draft time.
(03-28-2024, 06:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-28-2024, 05:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Those are some of the reason we drafted Strange, for H-back or in-line blocker. If we go WR early like some expect, i dont see very many opportunities where they want Strange running routes unless he improves a ton from last year. Hopefully Strange can do a 180 this year and live up to his draft status along with Bigsby. I think Bigsby ends up the most impoved player this year.
Strange BETTER [BLEEP] improve from last year or it was a horrible pick
You don't spend the second rounder on a TE to just block
He needs to present a viable element to the passing game, or they really [BLEEP] up that picK
I wouldn't be making any assumptions about wide receiver in the draft right now either if I were you
In shocking news, I’m not content at all with WR. They have ZERO young talent. Zay is another year older and coming off an injury riddled season. I’m not counting on him to do anything.
Gabe is a good #2. I love Kirk (always have).
But this team needs to get cheaper and younger at WR. Best and only way to do that is to draft one.
If you guarantee me Javon Baker in round 2/3, then I’m all in.
(03-28-2024, 06:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-28-2024, 05:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Those are some of the reason we drafted Strange, for H-back or in-line blocker. If we go WR early like some expect, i dont see very many opportunities where they want Strange running routes unless he improves a ton from last year. Hopefully Strange can do a 180 this year and live up to his draft status along with Bigsby. I think Bigsby ends up the most impoved player this year.
Strange BETTER [BLEEP] improve from last year or it was a horrible pick
You don't spend the second rounder on a TE to just block
He needs to present a viable element to the passing game, or they really [BLEEP] up that picK
I wouldn't be making any assumptions about wide receiver in the draft right now either if I were you
One could assume that pick was strange
(03-28-2024, 07:22 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-28-2024, 06:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Strange BETTER [BLEEP] improve from last year or it was a horrible pick
You don't spend the second rounder on a TE to just block
He needs to present a viable element to the passing game, or they really [BLEEP] up that picK
I wouldn't be making any assumptions about wide receiver in the draft right now either if I were you
In shocking news, I’m not content at all with WR. They have ZERO young talent. Zay is another year older and coming off an injury riddled season. I’m not counting on him to do anything.
Gabe is a good #2. I love Kirk (always have).
But this team needs to get cheaper and younger at WR. Best and only way to do that is to draft one.
If you guarantee me Javon Baker in round 2/3, then I’m all in.
The position dollars are not sustainable unless they draft a starter this year or next (or both) cap wise
But that doesn't need to have a damn thing to do with how Pederson envisions using Strange in the passing game - and that was my point.
I prioritize interior beef on both sides over fixing our WR cap space issue right now, but they could draft a WR early and still hit those areas.
(03-28-2024, 06:30 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-28-2024, 05:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Those are some of the reason we drafted Strange, for H-back or in-line blocker. If we go WR early like some expect, i dont see very many opportunities where they want Strange running routes unless he improves a ton from last year. Hopefully Strange can do a 180 this year and live up to his draft status along with Bigsby. I think Bigsby ends up the most impoved player this year.
Strange BETTER [BLEEP] improve from last year or it was a horrible pick
You don't spend the second rounder on a TE to just block
He needs to present a viable element to the passing game, or they really [BLEEP] up that picK
I wouldn't be making any assumptions about wide receiver in the draft right now either if I were you
You're right. Good news is players get better. And it happens quite often. Pederson has gotten a lot of positive play from tight ends over his career.
(03-29-2024, 09:30 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Oluokun extended
https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/177370...49511?s=20
4 year 45 mil. Can get out in 2 years if we want
Fantastic! Have to wonder what this means though for guys like Lloyd & Muma. With Nielsen's base defense, do they plan on moving Lloyd to weakside now? Muma seems like a potential player they could be looking to trade for some recoup.
(03-29-2024, 09:36 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2024, 09:30 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Oluokun extended
https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/177370...49511?s=20
4 year 45 mil. Can get out in 2 years if we want
Fantastic! Have to wonder what this means though for guys like Lloyd & Muma. With Nielsen's base defense, do they plan on moving Lloyd to weakside now? Muma seems like a potential player they could be looking to trade for some recoup.
Originally signed a 3 year 45 mil. And now got him for 4 year 45 mil. His cap hit this year is much lower as well I'm sure