(03-07-2024, 01:46 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2024, 12:55 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I mean... "best moves so far?"
Free agency hasn't even started its engines yet.
Making cuts is literally all he's really been able to do so far unless you think you know for a fact that Allen would have agreed to terms prior to a tag and what that would have cost.
To your point however - this draft needs to produce some starters for Baalke and his crop from last year needs to show value on the field this year. He can't just keep adding free agent patch jobs. That's real.
Mostly referring to the fact that they were his signings to begin with, that they were middling at best, and that he overpaid them. It's frustrating to think about.
price you pay to lure guys to a miserable team beginning a build, and yes those guys paid dividends. The process would have been much slower had we played it cheap. Overpaying them in the short term meant we weren't killed now (look at what Buffalo had to do, and what they are STILL paying to Von) when it's time to move on.
Remember back when we were cutting guys and eating tens of millions in dead cap just to move on? Was that better?
(03-07-2024, 02:08 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2024, 01:52 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I think it’s pretty safe to say if the OL isn’t fixed this season, Trevor will be gone, and no one here will fault him. My season ticket subscription will walk too.
He botched the Josh Allen contract situation so I can't wait to see how he botches Trevor.
@My money is on "tags Etienne because it's cheaper"@
(03-07-2024, 01:46 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2024, 12:55 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I mean... "best moves so far?"
Free agency hasn't even started its engines yet.
Making cuts is literally all he's really been able to do so far unless you think you know for a fact that Allen would have agreed to terms prior to a tag and what that would have cost.
To your point however - this draft needs to produce some starters for Baalke and his crop from last year needs to show value on the field this year. He can't just keep adding free agent patch jobs. That's real.
Mostly referring to the fact that they were his signings to begin with, that they were middling at best, and that he overpaid them. It's frustrating to think about.
Heard.
He got good production out of Williams, not enough from Jenkins on the consistency front (probably could have drafted a better SS with one of his luxury picks) , and Fatukasi did what he was supposed to in most of his first year before waning.
All were indeed overpaid, but that is what happens for 90% of FA signings at the end of the day.
RRH is the next guy like this to look at if he doesn't step up IMO. His contract isn't appalling, but he didn't play up to it last year either.
(03-07-2024, 02:02 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2024, 01:52 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I think it’s pretty safe to say if the OL isn’t fixed this season, Trevor will be gone, and no one here will fault him. My season ticket subscription will walk too.
I guess we'll find out in about a week. There's no way they can trot out the same OL, right?
You would think so. It’s like watching a video of impending doom and you’re telling yourself, ‘Surely these people will get out of the way. Move, move!’
(03-07-2024, 12:37 PM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]Re-signing Cleveland is a good move. He excelled in run blocking with the Vikings. Pass blocking was average. Remember, he was not benched in Minnesota. He was injured and Risner filled in and played decent enough to trade Cleveland off and get something out of him before he hit FA.
I'm o.k. with the Cleveland signing based on how he played in Minnesota, as you said. They got him at a decent price and I expect him to perform much better since he knows the system and will have the entire pre-season to work with the "new" line. At the least, they need to bring in a capable center to hopefully replace Fortner. I just don't expect to see a big improvement from him since he was no better in year 2. I can't understand why they are keeping Scherff unless they re-structure his deal to significantly reduce the cap hit next season. They could sign a younger guard in free agency like Damien Lewis at significantly less cost or pay more for someone like Glover or Hunt- but still less than Scherff. The draft is loaded with good interior offensive linemen this year. Beebe, Haynes, Mahogany Zinter and Puni are 5 solid players who could be drafted sometime on day 2. The rookie could then compete with Cooper Hodges, who has yet to prove that he's a keeper.
The apparent decision to keep Robinson is equally frustrating. He is a slightly above average tackle and can be replaced by Walker Little. They obviously have no faith in Little which means that 2nd round pick was another bust attributed to Baalke.
(03-07-2024, 12:46 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2024, 12:37 PM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]Re-signing Cleveland is a good move. He excelled in run blocking with the Vikings. Pass blocking was average. Remember, he was not benched in Minnesota. He was injured and Risner filled in and played decent enough to trade Cleveland off and get something out of him before he hit FA.
Could have had Risner ourselves last year. It only cost the Vikings a 1 year deal at $2.6M. Technically, we probably could have added him to a 2 or 3 year deal worth less than what we just gave up now for the guy that he replaced.
Just continues to bode well with how AWESOME Baalke is at scouting, identifying and signing needs to this team. Superb.
(03-07-2024, 12:16 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]https://x.com/_John_Shipley/status/17657...08071?s=20
Not a fan at all of the Cleveland deal but it is what it is.
https://x.com/HaydenWinks/status/1765768...11516?s=20
Shipley knows his [BLEEP]. So, good call out there. To that other posters credit in the second link, I agree, that is pretty fishy. Didn't waste anytime testing the market, after having goals to be a LT. Hope he's not going to Norwell on us.
I am STILL looking at guards to play either side in this draft class and in free agency. Passing up on a guy like Beebe or Mahogany would be criminal.
While I was pounding the table for Risner last year he was a 1 year band aid for the vikes when they lost two tackles in the same week then lost Cleveland the next. Contrary to some belief around here Ezra Cleveland is a top left guard in this League, at 25 he was the 3rd youngest guard going into free agency, and keeping him for this very reasonable deal will go a long way to improving the line for next year.
Looks like Jaylon Johnson is staying in Chicago on a 4 year agreement.
(03-07-2024, 02:20 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2024, 01:46 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Mostly referring to the fact that they were his signings to begin with, that they were middling at best, and that he overpaid them. It's frustrating to think about.
price you pay to lure guys to a miserable team beginning a build, and yes those guys paid dividends. The process would have been much slower had we played it cheap. Overpaying them in the short term meant we weren't killed now (look at what Buffalo had to do, and what they are STILL paying to Von) when it's time to move on.
Remember back when we were cutting guys and eating tens of millions in dead cap just to move on? Was that better?
(03-07-2024, 02:08 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]He botched the Josh Allen contract situation so I can't wait to see how he botches Trevor.
@My money is on "tags Etienne because it's cheaper"@
Since they were drafted together he could [BLEEP] it up best by declining ETN's 5th year option then tagging him for year 5. Then takes Trevor's 5th year option and tags him for year 6.
(03-07-2024, 08:28 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1765...915L-t18Xg
So by “bigger and stronger” they legit just meant Fortner hahahaha
Scherff appeared to my untrained eye to be nearing the cliff, so an extension is not something I am enthused about. Hopefully, all of the problems along the IOL can be attributed to him trying to reinforce the Pillow Fortner in the middle.
I can't believe we are running this line back unreal
(03-07-2024, 08:36 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]I can't believe we are running this line back unreal
They might draft a center in the mid rounds for "competition"
(03-07-2024, 08:36 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2024, 08:28 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/rapsheet/status/1765...915L-t18Xg
So by “bigger and stronger” they legit just meant Fortner hahahaha
Scherff appeared to my untrained eye to be nearing the cliff, so an extension is not something I am enthused about. Hopefully, all of the problems along the IOL can be attributed to him trying to reinforce the Pillow Fortner in the middle.
Baalke loves to double down on his bad moves.
There are so many young guards on the market he could have got to play RG but he’s keeping Scherff.
If he runs it back with Fortner with the amount of good centers on the market……
(03-07-2024, 08:38 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2024, 08:36 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Scherff appeared to my untrained eye to be nearing the cliff, so an extension is not something I am enthused about. Hopefully, all of the problems along the IOL can be attributed to him trying to reinforce the Pillow Fortner in the middle.
Baalke loves to double down on his bad moves.
There are so many young guards on the market he could have got to play RG but he’s keeping Scherff.
If he runs it back with Fortner with the amount of good centers on the market……
I'll be interested to see the deal. If all they did was push some money into next year and guarantee a little of it to create space this year while also drafting Scherff's eventual replacement, I think it'll be fine.
(03-07-2024, 08:42 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2024, 08:38 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Baalke loves to double down on his bad moves.
There are so many young guards on the market he could have got to play RG but he’s keeping Scherff.
If he runs it back with Fortner with the amount of good centers on the market……
I'll be interested to see the deal. If all they did was push some money into next year and guarantee a little of it to create space this year while also drafting Scherff's eventual replacement, I think it'll be fine.
They’re definitely pushing money further down the road but they’ll eventually need to upgrade the RG spot because Scherff is old. This FA class of guards and centers is good. Not to mention the draft class for the IOL is very good.
It’s a perfect time to upgrade.
They're really going to run it back with the same five.
Holy. [BLEEP]. Hell. Man.
Unreal.
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(03-07-2024, 08:50 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]They're really going to run it back with the same five.
Holy. [BLEEP]. Hell. Man.
Unreal.
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Lol. Didn't you make a resolution a few weeks ago to take it easy and not care so much or something to that effect?
Interesting. So the guards and Harrison are set. Center will be upgraded. Now, what will they do with Robinson?
(03-07-2024, 08:50 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]They're really going to run it back with the same five.
Holy. [BLEEP]. Hell. Man.
Unreal.
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I think Fortner is just a massive black hole that really negatively impacted the rest of the guys. Beyond that, poor play calling and design of the offense did them no favors. And lastly injuries. Cam Robinson, Walker Little, Scherff, Cleveland, Harrison etc. all suffered significant injuries that they largely played through. I think health, an NFL caliber Center, and depth to allow guys to heal from the bang ups when needed will go a long way to securing the line and Trevor's protection.
Also they need to figure out who is playing Left tackle. If Cam's ego is the only thing preventing him from playing RT or kicking inside that's problematic. I'd like to see Harrison at LT since he's stellar in pass pro but his run blocking needs work; I think Cam Robinson is a top half LT but would be a probowl/AllPro on the right side since he just has that NASTY streak. Little just needs to be left in one spot to develop no matter where on the line that is.