(04-03-2024, 03:20 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (04-03-2024, 03:11 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Neither LT on our roster is showing grade A material on tape and our RG is long in the tooth with middling run blocking.
They could draft a tackle and/or a guard and let the chips fall where they may in camp competition.
Graham Barton is your guy then. Even at 17. He can play any of these positions. One of the NFC Scouts is on record saying that he's exactly what you want in an offensive lineman, consistent, same guy on tape, no matter where he lined-up.
I honestly think he's a good fit for our offense and it wouldn't shock me if they take him at all. You just have to make a decision on what he's going to play as a rookie. You can decide to play him at LT and look to move on and trade away Cam Robinson for a late RD pick.
Or, you can ride it out with Robinson again and put Barton at Guard or Center as a rookie. I am curious what this team does though with the OL in general. It seems like on paper they're finished.
You have:
Robinson back at LT.
Cleveland back at LG.
Morse newly acquired at C.
Scherff restructured to stay at RG.
Harrison entering year two at RT after a promising rookie season.
If you take an offensive lineman with the 17th selection, one of these guys is getting bumped off the starting line-up and headed to the bench or destined to the trading block. Because of that? It's one of the sole reasons I feel this team is NOT looking at OL this early. I still think it's defense early and offensive lineman later starting in RD4.
Yea, I that is the preseason predicted line. If you look at who else we have there remains a place on offense for a backup tackle behind Harrison and a guard behind Cleveland. On defense there are rookie spots (backups?) for a NT and CB. So when pick #17 comes around they will look at the BPA on their board and there will be one of those.
I say this as 4 QB's, 4 WR's, a couple edge, a couple CB's 2 tackles, a TE will come off. That should leave them a good selection at 17. It also will depend on how deep they view these 4 position classes. I could be wrong, but after the FA season that is what it appears to be.
Diggs going to the Hou. should change nothing about how we should attack the draft imo. A shutdown corner is still the number 1 need on this team. Followed the 3rd pass rusher and NT. The one tackle I could see us taking if he is there is Fuaga.
Diggs to Houston is just an extra for them. They're good because they drafted good. The Jaguars are already in their way back down because Khan decided to double down on a guy that has shown no ability to draft talent.
(04-03-2024, 07:05 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Diggs to Houston is just an extra for them. They're good because they drafted good. The Jaguars are already in their way back down because Khan decided to double down on a guy that has shown no ability to draft talent.
I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt until after this draft. We'll see.
The South is going to be a dog fight next year. Yes Houston have added plenty of pieces but still need to get it to click and now have a lot of expectation on them.
I still think we can win the South and we need to add in the draft but going to be a tough division next year. Hope Doug and Trevor are locked in as it's a big year for everyone in the building.
As The ROCK (Dewayne Johnson) would say...
IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE TEXANS DO!!!!
The Jags season will be based on what TREVOR LAWRENCE does or doesn't do. You can bet $$$$ on it.
If Trevor throws for 30 TDs and has only 10 turnovers total...the Jags are winning the division.
I still think the Jags need to add 1 player on offense and 1 player on defense for trench depth, but the Jags performance is going to rest on their QBs performance.
(04-03-2024, 10:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The one WR id trade for
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news...74f809fa96
Well, Buffalo has 40 million cap space after trading Diggs, even though they are paying him 31 million this year to play against them. (dead cap) All I can say is wow, both parties must have had some kind of issues.
(04-03-2024, 10:24 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-03-2024, 10:02 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The one WR id trade for
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news...74f809fa96
Well, Buffalo has 40 million cap space after trading Diggs, even though they are paying him 31 million this year to play against them. (dead cap) All I can say is wow, both parties must have had some kind of issues.
We could cut or trade Cam and Zay if needed and trade this years 1st and 3rd and next years 1st and make JJ the highest paid WR in history. This would likely be one of the moves Trevor would give a discount for. It would give Trevor the best WR in football and a future HOF both being 24 years old.
(04-03-2024, 10:29 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-03-2024, 10:24 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]Well, Buffalo has 40 million cap space after trading Diggs, even though they are paying him 31 million this year to play against them. (dead cap) All I can say is wow, both parties must have had some kind of issues.
We could cut or trade Cam and Zay if needed and trade this years 1st and 3rd and next years 1st and make JJ the highest paid WR in history. This would likely be one of the moves Trevor would give a discount for. It would give Trevor the best WR in football and a future HOF both being 24 years old.
Nice dream.
(04-03-2024, 06:10 PM)Marcos25067 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...7920121204
That's why I feel like they want to draft a guard with a high pick (first two rounds) to replace Scherff.
Good in pass block, mediocre in run block.
It was also difficult for him to play between a pretty bad center and a rookie who need to improve his run blocking.
But at this point of his career, Scherff should be a back up.
Cooper Beebe with the 2nd round pick would be ideal IMO.
(04-04-2024, 04:06 AM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-03-2024, 06:10 PM)Marcos25067 Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/_John_Shipley/status...7920121204
That's why I feel like they want to draft a guard with a high pick (first two rounds) to replace Scherff.
Good in pass block, mediocre in run block.
It was also difficult for him to play between a pretty bad center and a rookie who need to improve his run blocking.
But at this point of his career, Scherff should be a back up.
Cooper Beebe with the 2nd round pick would be ideal IMO.
Haynes and Mahogany are both better and Beebe is likely there at #96 or #114. I'd still take JPJ and Haynes in this draft along with a dev tackle in the 4th or so. 4 of our linemen could be off the roster in 2025, 3 starters are needed this year to be ready.
(04-03-2024, 02:30 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-03-2024, 02:17 PM)Marcos25067 Wrote: [ -> ]The biggest thing with Diggs for me is: Can the coaches control him?
We got to remember it's a young coach staff, they have to deal with spectations, what will happen when they lose 2 games in a row? How much will the texans offense have to change to fit Diggins in? How will the coaches deal with a situation like: They lost 2 games and Diggs is not happy about his targets?
I remember when Diggs finished a season Nº 1 in targets and still complained with Josh . But I still think this is a good bet for them...I just hope that it does not work out lol
Now about us, I'm happy with what we have, actually, I would like us to get one reciever in this draft, I'm happy with: Kirk, Zay, Parker, duvernay, Cooks, a WR from this draft. We got to remember we still have Engram and Etienne, Bigsby and Stange we are counting on big leaps this year, we need to fix the line! The rest will fall into place.
Diggs vanished in the post season, disappeared in the last 8 or so games of the regular season as well, with a top tier QB no less. My hope is he is washed, Texans blow a 2nd rounder and Stroud takes a step back. All a pipe dream, but a man can dream.
A pipe dream maybe. But one that history would say is pretty plausible.
Stroud was on the better side of luck a lot and now a full season to study his tendencies. Diggs looks like he lost a step last year, though that could be frustration carrying to the field with him. They signed Hunter, but lost some other defensive pieces. and they don't have a first round pick this year.
They could easily take a step back, or they could easily take a leap forward. I'm hoping it's the step back as well. This is a big season coming up for them.
(03-22-2024, 01:10 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2024, 12:42 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I totally agree with the bolded sentence. All this offseason improvement can go away with one single injury to either the offensive or defensive line. We really need some young talent, because guys like Scherff, Robinson, and Morse are not young, and are not signed long term. Plus, Armstead isn't young either, and so far, he's the only significant addition to our defensive line.
Everyone wants to have depth at those 3 positions. It would be great if they could hit on those positions.
However, it's very odd that the Jags haven't taken a WR with a top 100 pick since Trevor has been the QB. That really does need to change in this draft. This draft is so deep at WR that they should be taking one at 17 or 48. I would even double up in this draft at WR. For me, the entire draft should be OL, WR and CB.
I wouldn’t hate that at all.
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"Diggs is 31 and the Bills were willing to take a dead "salary-cap" hit of $31 million in 2024 to make the trade. They would have had a $27 million hit had Diggs played for them, which means the Bills were willing to take a bigger salary cap hit to trade him than keep him. It's true that Diggs really has been good throughout out his career. It's equally true that he's entering his 10th NFL season – and that the Bills really, really, really didn't want him on their team."
(04-03-2024, 08:01 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (04-03-2024, 07:05 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Diggs to Houston is just an extra for them. They're good because they drafted good. The Jaguars are already in their way back down because Khan decided to double down on a guy that has shown no ability to draft talent.
I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt until after this draft. We'll see.
I am no Baalke fan, dude was bad for SF and the current talent pool just isn't that great now. A lot of hole filling on this team via free agency, we are not in great cap health and our QB is on a rookie deal. Not a good sign. Khan has shown to be quite the incompetent NFL owner, I do not expect it to change.
(04-04-2024, 10:58 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-03-2024, 08:01 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt until after this draft. We'll see.
I am no Baalke fan, dude was bad for SF and the current talent pool just isn't that great now. A lot of hole filling on this team via free agency, we are not in great cap health and our QB is on a rookie deal. Not a good sign. Khan has shown to be quite the incompetent NFL owner, I do not expect it to change.
If Baalke screws the pooch on this draft, the knives come out.
(04-04-2024, 09:47 AM)H8tank Wrote: [ -> ]"Diggs is 31 and the Bills were willing to take a dead "salary-cap" hit of $31 million in 2024 to make the trade. They would have had a $27 million hit had Diggs played for them, which means the Bills were willing to take a bigger salary cap hit to trade him than keep him. It's true that Diggs really has been good throughout out his career. It's equally true that he's entering his 10th NFL season – and that the Bills really, really, really didn't want him on their team."
Bigger cap hit but also a 2nd rd pick next year.
(04-04-2024, 11:02 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (04-04-2024, 10:58 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]I am no Baalke fan, dude was bad for SF and the current talent pool just isn't that great now. A lot of hole filling on this team via free agency, we are not in great cap health and our QB is on a rookie deal. Not a good sign. Khan has shown to be quite the incompetent NFL owner, I do not expect it to change.
If Baalke screws the pooch on this draft, the knives come out.
He will likely do well in round 1 and then pretty awful the rest of the way.
2022- Traded up for Lloyd in round 1. Muma, Fortner, Snoop, Gregory Junior, Montaric Brown. Zero starters or even contributors in round 2-7
2023- Strange, Tank, Ventrell, Lacy, Antonio, Parker, Braswell, Cooper Hodges. As of now, zero starters or major contributors in round 2-7
LOL
Fans are hellbent on making this roster out to be garbage for some reason.
I think we are only a few pieces away from having a good battle for the AFCS with the tinhorns for the foreseeable future.
I don't see the doom and gloom.
Need more young talent on OL, DL, and WR.
CB is a perceived need understandably - but we really have no idea what the current unit is going to look like in the new scheme just yet. A draft pick there is as much about 2025 as it is 2024 IMO.
I'll also continue to point out that the past two drafts have been a collaboration between Pederson and Baalke and everyone keeps putting it all on Baalke.
If Cleveland and Morse turn out to be enough change to get run functionality back from our OL, we will see a radical change in production that doesn't require a first round WR pick. I'm not concerned about the offense beyond the OL. The line is what screwed them last year.
If I'm prioritizing needs for this roster I'm going:
IDL - get me a 300+ lb NT/DT to rotate with Hamilton
IOL - Get me a guard to push and eventually replace Scherff
CB - No long term sure fire solutions on the roster - need young talent to sustain new scheme - Campbell is a question mark in new scheme
WR - need young talent to sustain cap at position
LT - seems we'll put off fixing this until next year - that's acceptable IMO, but it has to get right
Of all of these - IDL is the only one that seems like a dire immediate need.