(03-15-2024, 02:47 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 02:21 PM)Marcos25067 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd like to know where people got this notion that Aiyuk is a Nª1 reciever, he is not top 15 in receptions, he is not top 15 in TD's and he is 7th in yards... he is equal to Ridley, and if wasn't for the drops, I would say Ridley is better, look at their numbers:
Ridley: 76 Rec, 1016 Yds, 8 Tds
Aiyuk: 75 Rec, 1342 Yds, 7 Tds
I much prefer, now that Ridley is gone, to draft a WR.
If only there were more to football games than the box scores…..
Go watch him run routes and play.
Also. Having 300 more receiving yards on basically the same amount of caches is wild.
They were talking about Ridley's lack of YAC the other day on 1010. He only had like 190 YAC yards last year I think. The comparison here is just as much an indictment on Ridley or how he was used. I seem to recall a lot of sideline stuff which would lend to numbers like this. Aiyuk's almost 18 yards per catch is impressive though.
I'm not trading for any WR unless it's JJ and that's not happening. Draft a WR
(03-15-2024, 03:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not trading for any WR unless it's JJ and that's not happening. Draft a WR
Yeah I'm getting comfortable with trading up for Odunze, staying put for Thomas or waiting until the 3rd round to address it. I don't like the value for what should be there in the 2nd. If Legette is there, I'd take him in the 2nd but I suspect he'll be gone.
(03-15-2024, 03:03 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 03:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not trading for any WR unless it's JJ and that's not happening. Draft a WR
Yeah I'm getting comfortable with trading up for Odunze, staying put for Thomas or waiting until the 3rd round to address it. I don't like the value for what should be there in the 2nd. If Legette is there, I'd take him in the 2nd but I suspect he'll be gone.
Yep. Don't need to put any more constraints on our cap. Doesn't make sense.
At this point I just want them to sign Allen and keep the picks we have.
(03-15-2024, 03:03 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 03:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not trading for any WR unless it's JJ and that's not happening. Draft a WR
Yeah I'm getting comfortable with trading up for Odunze, staying put for Thomas or waiting until the 3rd round to address it. I don't like the value for what should be there in the 2nd. If Legette is there, I'd take him in the 2nd but I suspect he'll be gone.
Trading up for Odunze is my favorite option by far. He's incredible.
After that, I am absolutely ok with pick swapping 1sts with the 49ers for Aiyuk. He's that good.
Right now, the Jags don't have an outside WR that other teams worry about. Gabe Davis and Zay Jones aren't good route runners and have trouble separating.
If Zay is hurt...or not 100 percent...ok, cut him and go get a known commodity.
If Zay is 100%, he caught more passes in 22 than Ridley did in 23. I'm thinking Gabe will be more productive than Marvin Jones Jr. I'm' thinking Gabe, Zay and Christian will be better than Ridley, Christian and Zay last season. Especially if healthy.
(03-15-2024, 04:13 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 03:03 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I'm getting comfortable with trading up for Odunze, staying put for Thomas or waiting until the 3rd round to address it. I don't like the value for what should be there in the 2nd. If Legette is there, I'd take him in the 2nd but I suspect he'll be gone.
Trading up for Odunze is my favorite option by far. He's incredible.
After that, I am absolutely ok with pick swapping 1sts with the 49ers for Aiyuk. He's that good.
Right now, the Jags don't have an outside WR that other teams worry about. Gabe Davis and Zay Jones aren't good route runners and have trouble separating.
I don't want another 1-year rental, like we had with Ridley. So if we somehow make a reasonable trade for Aiyuk, we would have to sign him to new contract as part of the deal. But we still have to sign Josh Allen and Trevor Lawrence. So if we sign Aiyuk to the contract that he would undoubtedly demand, then in a year or two, we'd have to start dismantling the team to get back under the cap.
If I was Shad Khan, before I approved such a move, I would ask Baalke to show me how we fit all these huge contracts under the cap, and I would tell him to show me a cap projection for the coming seasons.
(03-15-2024, 04:13 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 03:03 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I'm getting comfortable with trading up for Odunze, staying put for Thomas or waiting until the 3rd round to address it. I don't like the value for what should be there in the 2nd. If Legette is there, I'd take him in the 2nd but I suspect he'll be gone.
Trading up for Odunze is my favorite option by far. He's incredible.
After that, I am absolutely ok with pick swapping 1sts with the 49ers for Aiyuk. He's that good.
Right now, the Jags don't have an outside WR that other teams worry about. Gabe Davis and Zay Jones aren't good route runners and have trouble separating.
With Odunze, to me he's the first or second wide receiver off the board. I like him better than Nabers. I think the first 3 picks are QBs, then both the cardinals and chargers need WRs bad so I see Harrison and Odunze going there at this moment. Hopefully one of them views Nabers more favorably. To get someone to come off a top 5 pick requires willingness by the team and probably this years 1 and 2 plus next years 1 or something similar. If he somehow falls closer to 10 I'm probably trying to aggressively move up.
That said, I really like Brian Thomas at cost as well if we don't have to move up too much to get him, even better if we stand pat and select him at 17. If we can stay put and draft Thomas, I'd prefer the cap savings over trading for a guy and having to give him his bag now as well. We're no slouches at WR right now. We don't need Thomas or some other rookie to come in and light it up week 1. It's a long season. They'll have some time to develop if need be while we rely on other facets of our offense more in the early goings. I just think Thomas has that WR1 potential like Harrison and Odunze but at much lower draft capital expenditure obviously.
Brock Bowers would be another interesting addition. I'd run 12 personnel 85% of the time with him and Engram or him and hopefully a more developed version of Strange depending on down and distance. Think of how that could benefit the run game as well.
What the heck did Carolina see in Chaisson? Just needed someone put on the uniform and stand somewhere?
Nooo chaisson
Where is our pass rush gonna go now
(03-15-2024, 05:17 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]What the heck did Carolina see in Chaisson? Just needed someone put on the uniform and stand somewhere?
I wonder if their owner is scaring off players, and they had money to spend, and Chaisson was willing to do it for $5 million.
(03-15-2024, 05:17 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]What the heck did Carolina see in Chaisson? Just needed someone put on the uniform and stand somewhere?
Panthers dline coach is Todd Wash. Wash was our DC when we drafted him. I'm sure Wash raived about him before we picked him lol
(03-15-2024, 03:03 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 03:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not trading for any WR unless it's JJ and that's not happening. Draft a WR
Yeah I'm getting comfortable with trading up for Odunze, staying put for Thomas or waiting until the 3rd round to address it. I don't like the value for what should be there in the 2nd. If Legette is there, I'd take him in the 2nd but I suspect he'll be gone.
I think Odunze goes to either the Chargers or Giants. I don't want to give up what it would take to get him even though I have wanted him since the beginning of last college season.
Pearsall would be very good value in the 2nd round but after his combine its a good chance he won't be there. We really wanted to keep Ridley and Pearsall is the closest thing to Ridley but a bit more athletic and better hands. I think there is a good chance Keon Coleman will be there when he pick and he good be good value in the 2nd as well as Legette. My top 3 guys I hope will be available at our 2nd pick are Pearsall, Sweat and Jenkins, would love any of the 3.
Round 3 will likely have some pretty good WRs as well still on the board when we pick
(03-15-2024, 05:17 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]What the heck did Carolina see in Chaisson? Just needed someone put on the uniform and stand somewhere?
He is the classic looks like Tarzan but plays like Jane.
(03-15-2024, 05:17 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]What the heck did Carolina see in Chaisson? Just needed someone put on the uniform and stand somewhere?
The reports say "
up to $5 million". My guess is that figure includes incentives that he has virtually no chance of getting. For example, getting more than 2 sacks in a season.
(03-15-2024, 09:58 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 05:17 PM)JaguarJosh2 Wrote: [ -> ]What the heck did Carolina see in Chaisson? Just needed someone put on the uniform and stand somewhere?
The reports say "up to $5 million". My guess is that figure includes incentives that he has virtually no chance of getting. For example, getting more than 2 sacks in a season.
Carolina always snags every guy the Jags have like Chaisson and try to renovate them. . They recently have been quite the organization. I wonder how long it took after they drafted Lamar Jackson to realize he was the CB, not a QB. Also they are paying dead cap on Bumper Pool. DJ Chart is there to welcome Chaisson so he will be alright. Maybe he will get straightened out and do well.
(03-15-2024, 02:47 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 02:21 PM)Marcos25067 Wrote: [ -> ]I'd like to know where people got this notion that Aiyuk is a Nª1 reciever, he is not top 15 in receptions, he is not top 15 in TD's and he is 7th in yards... he is equal to Ridley, and if wasn't for the drops, I would say Ridley is better, look at their numbers:
Ridley: 76 Rec, 1016 Yds, 8 Tds
Aiyuk: 75 Rec, 1342 Yds, 7 Tds
I much prefer, now that Ridley is gone, to draft a WR.
If only there were more to football games than the box scores…..
Go watch him run routes and play.
Also. Having 300 more receiving yards on basically the same amount of caches is wild.
You have to remember that Ridley was away from football for 2 years and he also drew the most DPI calls in the league. Was easily like another 200+ yards worth in penalties.
I like Aiyuk, don't get me wrong, but I'm not really a fan of possibly giving up a mid 1st round pick+ and then having to give him a 20m+ per contract.
(03-15-2024, 11:03 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-15-2024, 09:58 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]The reports say "up to $5 million". My guess is that figure includes incentives that he has virtually no chance of getting. For example, getting more than 2 sacks in a season.
Carolina always snags every guy the Jags have like Chaisson and try to renovate them. . They recently have been quite the organization. I wonder how long it took after they drafted Lamar Jackson to realize he was the CB, not a QB. Also they are paying dead cap on Bumper Pool. DJ Chart is there to welcome Chaisson so he will be alright. Maybe he will get straightened out and do well.
The current Director of Personel up there was apart of our staff in 2019 or 2020 when we drafted those guys. It makes sense to some extent when you think about it in those terms.
I am just glad our owner is more competent and leave headed than whatever is going on up there in Carolina. Still pissed about that guy throwing water at one of our fans.
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