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The moral of the story is Cam is probably being actively shopped right now.

(03-13-2024, 10:49 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Assuming Ridley signs later today, I'll expect Cam to be cut or traded. Also, Zay appears to be an attractive cut and so does Gotsis to a lesser extent. Allen's tag is taking up more space than a new deal would so they'll create some space by signing him, but I don't think there's enough wiggle room for Allen and Ridley without getting rid of Cam, hopefully in a trade considering how many teams need Tackle help. Lawrence isn't getting done this offseason.

He’ll probably get done late summer.


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(03-13-2024, 12:00 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]The moral of the story is Cam is probably being actively shopped right now.

Cam and a 4 to move up into the 60s in the draft would be nice.

(03-13-2024, 11:49 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the "manage roster" link for the Jaguars on Spotrac.  Our cap with 2023 rollover is $263.8M.  We're $7.2M over that at present.   Allen's hit is currently at $24+M which may come down depending on how his long term deal looks.  And Ridley is not yet accounted for.   Cam is gone if Ridley signs.

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(03-13-2024, 11:47 AM)RCGP Wrote: [ -> ]Cut players don't count towards comp picks either, only free agents.

What do you think a "cut" player becomes once he's cut?

Regardless of whether the team re-signs Ridley or not, Cam should be released/traded. He's overpaid. Has not played a full season (except for 2020) due to either injuries or suspensions. There are good blocks and then there are embarassing whiffs. And drawing penalties on key moments in a drive throughout his career. They need better than just settling for good enough. Especially, when the role is to protect the blind side of the quarterback.

Him and Zay should be departing. I have a feeling this team will draft a WR within the first 3 rounds.

Cam at the very least should be re-structured.

Zay I'd kind of like to keep. He's made some big plays for us and having him as the #4 is very attractive when you think of the drop off we had last year when either he or Kirk was hurt and we had to have Agnew/T Jones/Cook step in before Washington was ready.

Ridley
Kirk
Davis
Zay
Parker
Duvernay

Looks like a very solid WR corps with some decent depth. I'm not a big Davis fan but potentially having Ridley back makes me much more comfortable with that signing. We kept 7 WRs last year

Here's a list of guys that could be purged with no dead cap which combined could provide $16M in cap savings if all are cut:

Cooper Hodges
Seth Williams
Darryl Williams
Ayo Oyelola
Dequan Jackson
Erick Hallett
DJ Coleman
Josh Pederson
Esezi Otomewo
De'Shaan Dixon
Keaton Sutherland
Greg Junior
Tim Jones
Amani Oruwariye
Tevaughn Campbell
Chandler Brewer
Riley Patterson (we'd need to sign or draft another kicker)
Cole Van Lanen

We may cut some of these, but I think there are guys here we should probably keep. Also, I'd like to think we're not going into the season with Riley as the kicker given his leg strength issues and what that could mean for opposing team's avg starting field position.


Here's a list of guys that have minimal dead cap hits or provide significant savings regardless of the dead cap:

Elijah Cooks ($6k dead cap, $912k cap savings)
Montaric Brown ($58k dead cap, $955k cap savings)
Luke Farrell ($90k dead cap, $1.05M cap savings)
Adam Gotsis ($125k dead cap, $1.44M cap savings)
Christian Braswell ($126k dead cap, $831k cap savings)
Parker Washington ($144k dead cap, $819k cap savings)
CJ Beathard is getting cut ($500k dead cap, but $1.9M in cap savings, there will be no QB2 competition in camp)
Dewey Wingard ($2M dead cap, $1.3M cap savings if cut)
Zay Jones ($6.5M dead cap, $4.2M cap savings if cut)
Cam Robinson ($4.6M dead cap, $17.2M cap savings if cut/traded)

I could see Gotsis, Zay, and CJ getting cut from this list and maybe Dewey as well. That's $7.5M savings and maybe $8.8M if Dewey is cut.

If they want to purge the entirety of the bottom of the roster to keep Cam with a Ridley return I guess they could do that, though there are some names in that first list that we should probably keep. Or restructure Cam as was mentioned, although I'm not sure I'm in favor of that. I would trade.

The only problem is purging the bottom of the roster we'd have to replace those guys with someone else and the savings would probably be closer to net zero at that point. Cam and Zay are the big ones

(03-13-2024, 12:51 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]The only problem is purging the bottom of the roster we'd have to replace those guys with someone else and the savings would probably be closer to net zero at that point. Cam and Zay are the big ones

Yep, good point.  However, I didn't count the number of souls on the roster at present.  It's probably over 53 so some of this will disappear by nature of the process anyway.

(03-13-2024, 12:56 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2024, 12:51 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]The only problem is purging the bottom of the roster we'd have to replace those guys with someone else and the savings would probably be closer to net zero at that point. Cam and Zay are the big ones

Yep, good point.  However, I didn't count the number of souls on the roster at present.  It's probably over 53 so some of this will disappear by nature of the process anyway.

Spotrac has us at 65 players so definitely some room to be had. Currently shows us sitting at $1m in cap available with Allen still accounting for $24m from the tag which I'm sure his long term deal will lower that number.

(03-13-2024, 01:08 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2024, 12:56 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Yep, good point.  However, I didn't count the number of souls on the roster at present.  It's probably over 53 so some of this will disappear by nature of the process anyway.

Spotrac has us at 65 players so definitely some room to be had. Currently shows us sitting at $1m in cap available with Allen still accounting for $24m from the tag which I'm sure his long term deal will lower that number.

Interesting. When going into the Manage Roster function for the Jaguars, it shows at $7M over the cap, but I think I now see the discrepancy.  The Manage Roster function is including all of the names I mentioned above.  The regular page has some of those cheaper guys with strikethroughs on their cap number which I presume means they've already been cut.

(03-13-2024, 01:14 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2024, 01:08 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]Spotrac has us at 65 players so definitely some room to be had. Currently shows us sitting at $1m in cap available with Allen still accounting for $24m from the tag which I'm sure his long term deal will lower that number.

Interesting. When going into the Manage Roster function for the Jaguars, it shows at $7M over the cap, but I think I now see the discrepancy.  The Manage Roster function is including all of the names I mentioned above.  The regular page has some of those cheaper guys with strikethroughs on their cap number which I presume means they've already been cut.

Only top 53 count towards the cap.

(03-13-2024, 01:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2024, 01:14 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting. When going into the Manage Roster function for the Jaguars, it shows at $7M over the cap, but I think I now see the discrepancy.  The Manage Roster function is including all of the names I mentioned above.  The regular page has some of those cheaper guys with strikethroughs on their cap number which I presume means they've already been cut.

Only top 53 count towards the cap.

Ok, makes sense.

(03-13-2024, 01:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2024, 01:14 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting. When going into the Manage Roster function for the Jaguars, it shows at $7M over the cap, but I think I now see the discrepancy.  The Manage Roster function is including all of the names I mentioned above.  The regular page has some of those cheaper guys with strikethroughs on their cap number which I presume means they've already been cut.

Only top 53 count towards the cap.

I think it's actually only top 51

(03-13-2024, 01:34 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2024, 01:20 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Only top 53 count towards the cap.

I think it's actually only top 51

Your comment caused me to look it up, because I thought it was the top 53.  It turns out it's the top 51 until the beginning of the regular season, at which time it is the top 53.

I don't know why they exempt the bottom 2 spots in the offseason like that.

Aslo, according to overthecap.com, we can create up to $44 million in additional cap space by doing "simple restructures."  A simple restructure is where you declare a player's salary for this year to be a bonus instead of salary.  Then you can spread our the salary cap hit over the remainder of the contract.  It doesn't even require the permission of the player, since it doesn't affect his cash flow at all.

Doing some manipulating on 'overthecap', taking Josh Allen's franchise tag number (a new deal will always make that more manageable): by cutting Cam Robinson NOW and designating Zay a post 6/1 cut will free up 30 million this season. I gotta give it to the cap doctors, they are making us healthy NOW and in the next few seasons, considering Trev will need his new deal soon.

Gotta say though: team HAS to get Josh and Trevor resigned. Drafting/developing/keeping homegrown talent is the life blood of an NFL team. Looking back on the past 20 years of 1st round picks, its TRAGIC how many didn't even make it to the end of their rookie deals. Going back 20 years (Reggie Williams, Matt Jones, Reggie Nelson, Derrick Harvey, Eugene Monroe, Blaine Gabbert, Justin Blackmon, Luke Joeckel, Dante Fowler, Jalen Ramsey, Leonard Fournette, CJ Henderson. and K'Lavon Chaisson) are all HIGH first rounders (save Taven/K'Lavon) who didn't make it through their rookie deals/have 5th year options picked up. That's TERRIBLE.

(03-13-2024, 01:58 PM)NCJag Wrote: [ -> ]Doing some manipulating on 'overthecap', taking Josh Allen's franchise tag number (a new deal will always make that more manageable): by cutting Cam Robinson NOW and designating Zay a post 6/1 cut will free up 30 million this season. I gotta give it to the cap doctors, they are making us healthy NOW and in the next few seasons, considering Trev will need his new deal soon.

Forgot about the post 6/1 option and you're probably right that they use that option on Zay.

On Zay news, his charges were dropped which may work in his favor of sticking around knowing there's no pending suspension

Also have to wonder if the team will factor in the versatility (if you call it that) of Little/Cleveland where they can play G or T (along with Blake Hance) and looking to draft/develop another pure T vice paying Cam 20 million. I love Cam's nastiness, but that dollar amount doesn't justify the expediture

(03-13-2024, 02:29 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]On Zay news, his charges were dropped which may work in his favor of sticking around knowing there's no pending suspension

If Ridley signs, Zay is gone.

You better start accepting it now.

(03-13-2024, 03:04 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2024, 02:29 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]On Zay news, his charges were dropped which may work in his favor of sticking around knowing there's no pending suspension

If Ridley signs, Zay is gone.

You better start accepting it now.

Sadly true. Big fan of Zay but if he's going to be 4th on WR depth chart they will use that cap elsewhere. If he hadn't havd had such an injury plagued year and the off field stuff we may have got a 5th rounder or something for him off someone but now I'd think he's a cut.