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Ridley was pur best receiver. I'm not gonna be too upset about it yet, but if we don't land a round 1 wr I'll be a bit ticked off.

I thought the interior line on both sides of the ball would be our Achilles heel going into the season and I think we have effectively replaced the weak link in the middle on the offensive side, so I expect to see a significant difference there.

I think our biggest need is the D line right now. We need another starter and we also need some quality depth so the line can play consistently throughout the entire game.

I'm not as pessimistic about our overall talent level as some. Just a couple of fewer key injuries last season, and we probably would have been resting our starters the final week instead of being in a must win situation.

Also, Trevor has to cut down on his fumbles. There is no excuse for the number he has had over his career. He needs to learn to hold on to it better when he is running around and to tuck it sooner when he is about to get hit. Those fumbles cost us some games last year too.

(03-13-2024, 09:25 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2024, 09:02 PM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]When it comes to free agency yes I have some faith in him as a lot of the guys he's gotten have contributed. I remember a lot of people think very little of Williams when he was signed and no one expected Zay, Kirk, or Engram to have the season they did their first year, Oluokun has been great, Jenkins had his moments. His issue has been the draft and that's a big issue to have.

As for Josh Allen how is some of the blame for him not signing not on him and his camp and all on Baalke? They’re asking for 30 mil a year and players who have been far more consistent than him have only gotten 25-27 mil a year this cycle.

Baalke is reactionary rather than proactive in his roster building.

This team has very few true young building blocks. Travon, Trevor and Anton. That might be it. Maybe Cisco, Campbell, Lloyd but that’s it. He is so bad at drafting that every couple years, they have to repatch his FA acquisitions. Get Rayshawn? 2 years later get Savage. Get Darious? 2 years later get Darby. Where are all the young building block contract extensions? Oh that’s right…. They botched it with Josh Allen because they wanted to probably save a few million. 

And I think my #1 issue is how this all plays into a Trevor extension. Why on earth would he re sign here with Baalke? It’s going to end up like Matt Stafford in Detroit.

I think Doug Pederson will play a much bigger role in Trevor signing here than Baalke.    

Does anyone think Josh isn't going to be here next season, or that at some point he's getting his bag from the Jags?

I dont get those upset with Ridley leaving. He didn't have a great year, and we already have good-to-great pass catchers in Zay, Kirk, and Engram. Now add Gabe. Trevor doesn't need more receivers, he needs an offensive line worth a damn. Put money into that, not Ridley.

I think the offseason moves have been fine. Patching holes with solid players. Can't expect much out of free agency unless you've got a ton of cap room and want to pay up for an elite guy. Which we can't do.

Bigger picture we still have the same problem we did when the season ended. How many guys do we have top 10 at their position in the league? Josh Allen (assuming not a one year wonder). Maybe Etienne? Maybe Engram? A lot of solid players but very few elite difference makers. And hoping Lawrence takes the next step but can the offensive line stay healthy? Near dead last in the league last year in so many categories and only change is getting an average center. Feels like we're relying on a number of solid but not great players to all stay healthy so the line can have some consistency while reaching their potential of being solid but not great. But just a couple injuries away from having the same problems as last year.

(03-13-2024, 10:30 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]I think the offseason moves have been fine. Patching holes with solid players. Can't expect much out of free agency unless you've got a ton of cap room and want to pay up for an elite guy. Which we can't do.

Bigger picture we still have the same problem we did when the season ended. How many guys do we have top 10 at their position in the league? Josh Allen (assuming not a one year wonder). Maybe Etienne? Maybe Engram? A lot of solid players but very few elite difference makers. And hoping Lawrence takes the next step but can the offensive line stay healthy? Near dead last in the league last year in so many categories and only change is getting an average center. Feels like we're relying on a number of solid but not great players to all stay healthy so the line can have some consistency while reaching their potential of being solid but not great. But just a couple injuries away from having the same problems as last year.

I think it's more about not having bottom 10 players like Fortner in the fold. Etienne & TLaw are elite difference makers that were handicapped by the black hole in the center of the line. Engram is a difference making tight end, Josh Allen is as well, and I think we'll start to see a few guys emerge as the talent around them is shored up and they can focus on what they need to do rather than compensate for things going wrong elsewhere on the unit.

(03-13-2024, 10:30 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]I think the offseason moves have been fine.  Patching holes with solid players.  Can't expect much out of free agency unless you've got a ton of cap room and want to pay up for an elite guy.  Which we can't do.

Bigger picture we still have the same problem we did when the season ended.  How many guys do we have top 10 at their position in the league?  Josh Allen (assuming not a one year wonder).  Maybe Etienne?  Maybe Engram?  A lot of solid players but very few elite difference makers.  And hoping Lawrence takes the next step but can the offensive line stay healthy?  Near dead last in the league last year in so many categories and only change is getting an average center.  Feels like we're relying on a number of solid but not great players to all stay healthy so the line can have some consistency while reaching their potential of being solid but not great.  But just a couple injuries away from having the same problems as last year.

I mean we are essentially running it back the same. Two 9-8 seasons in a row. O line is same except Morse, which is an upgrade. Downgraded CB from D Will to Darby. Upgraded Safety with Savage from Jenkins. Downgraded WR with Davis from Ridley. Wash at special teams, Duvernay=Agnew. Lost out on the kicker. Oh, and we lost a 3rd round pick. 

Offseason is a L imo.

(03-14-2024, 12:03 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2024, 10:30 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]I think the offseason moves have been fine.  Patching holes with solid players.  Can't expect much out of free agency unless you've got a ton of cap room and want to pay up for an elite guy.  Which we can't do.

Bigger picture we still have the same problem we did when the season ended.  How many guys do we have top 10 at their position in the league?  Josh Allen (assuming not a one year wonder).  Maybe Etienne?  Maybe Engram?  A lot of solid players but very few elite difference makers.  And hoping Lawrence takes the next step but can the offensive line stay healthy?  Near dead last in the league last year in so many categories and only change is getting an average center.  Feels like we're relying on a number of solid but not great players to all stay healthy so the line can have some consistency while reaching their potential of being solid but not great.  But just a couple injuries away from having the same problems as last year.

I mean we are essentially running it back the same. Two 9-8 seasons in a row. O line is same except Morse, which is an upgrade. Downgraded CB from D Will to Darby. Upgraded Safety with Savage from Jenkins. Downgraded WR with Davis from Ridley. Wash at special teams, Duvernay=Agnew. Lost out on the kicker. Oh, and we lost a 3rd round pick. 

Offseason is a L imo.

I thought Ridley was coming back. Oh well, I hope the jags aren’t done in free agency yet or maybe a smart trade. The draft will be extremely important.

(03-14-2024, 12:03 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2024, 10:30 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]I think the offseason moves have been fine.  Patching holes with solid players.  Can't expect much out of free agency unless you've got a ton of cap room and want to pay up for an elite guy.  Which we can't do.

Bigger picture we still have the same problem we did when the season ended.  How many guys do we have top 10 at their position in the league?  Josh Allen (assuming not a one year wonder).  Maybe Etienne?  Maybe Engram?  A lot of solid players but very few elite difference makers.  And hoping Lawrence takes the next step but can the offensive line stay healthy?  Near dead last in the league last year in so many categories and only change is getting an average center.  Feels like we're relying on a number of solid but not great players to all stay healthy so the line can have some consistency while reaching their potential of being solid but not great.  But just a couple injuries away from having the same problems as last year.

I mean we are essentially running it back the same. Two 9-8 seasons in a row. O line is same except Morse, which is an upgrade. Downgraded CB from D Will to Darby. Upgraded Safety with Savage from Jenkins. Downgraded WR with Davis from Ridley. Wash at special teams, Duvernay=Agnew. Lost out on the kicker. Oh, and we lost a 3rd round pick. 

Offseason is a L imo.

We have Morse and a fresh, not injured Cleveland and I'm sure we will still address that in the draft. It also wasn't a downgrade at CB because Williams doesn't fit the defensive scheme like Darby does and Darby is great. Savage is an upgrade as mentioned. Davis isn't Ridley, but remember that Ridley single handedly helped cost us some games with TD drops.

The offseason was definitely a win. We can blame Baalke for not getting a deal done with Josh, but we don't know if his agent was even ready to work on one.

I don't think replacing just Fortner is enough to fix the oline the other guys looked old/bad. We'll see I guess.

(03-14-2024, 12:29 AM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-14-2024, 12:03 AM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: [ -> ]I mean we are essentially running it back the same. Two 9-8 seasons in a row. O line is same except Morse, which is an upgrade. Downgraded CB from D Will to Darby. Upgraded Safety with Savage from Jenkins. Downgraded WR with Davis from Ridley. Wash at special teams, Duvernay=Agnew. Lost out on the kicker. Oh, and we lost a 3rd round pick. 

Offseason is a L imo.

We have Morse and a fresh, not injured Cleveland and I'm sure we will still address that in the draft. It also wasn't a downgrade at CB because Williams doesn't fit the defensive scheme like Darby does and Darby is great. Savage is an upgrade as mentioned. Davis isn't Ridley, but remember that Ridley single handedly helped cost us some games with TD drops.

The offseason was definitely a win. We can blame Baalke for not getting a deal done with Josh, but we don't know if his agent was even ready to work on one.

I guess we will see this season on Darby vs Williams. I look at it more as a cap cut, which unfortunately had to be done. We don't exactly know the scheme being played just yet as well. If we were to go off market value (Darby 2yr-10M vs Williams 3 yr 30M, 18M guaranteed), the market clearly has Williams way above. Williams was our best CB by far last season, Tyson was horrible after his injury. I also love when our CBs are ballhawks, Williams had 4 int's last season and last time Darby had a pick was 2019 lol. Williams had 19 passes defended last year to Darby's 7. I'm not nearly as optimistic on this one, but I'll wait and see on it. 

Going into the draft I believe what we need most a #1 CB, #1 WR, and an impact DT.

The part that concerns me most about not getting the Ridley extension done is more next season as opposed to this season coming, after this year is done we have Kirk, zay Jones , scherff , little and cam all out of contract, along with probably paying Trevor a boat load , etn prob gets his option, there’s going to be a lot of starting spots you have to fill, just seems a shame the last year of Trevor’s rookie deal we haven’t been able to load the talent around him.

You see some teams load a defence and help a young qb and others load up on weapons, and in the 3 years so far and this upcoming on as of right now we’ve not really given him either

Unless we start hitting on the draft every offseason is just going to be papering over the cracks

Couple different options I think they need to choose between, use the Ridley money to sign arik armstead, to bolster the d line and go after wr/cb in the draft

Or make a trade for a wr whether that be, tee higgins or courtland Sutton.

Either way I feel dt/de or wr has to be addressed prior to the draft

There aren't really any #1 WRs available without a trade at this point. Maybe you could argue Mike Williams. Michael Thomas if he could ever stay healthy again.

DTs we got Arik Armstead, Calais, Reader

2 1sts and a 3rd for Jefferson.

(03-14-2024, 08:24 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]2 1sts and a 3rd for Jefferson.

[BLEEP] it, do it.

(03-14-2024, 08:35 AM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-14-2024, 08:24 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]2 1sts and a 3rd for Jefferson.

[BLEEP] it, do it.

Can’t say I wouldn’t….

(03-13-2024, 09:33 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]Ridley was pur best receiver. I'm not gonna be too upset about it yet, but if we don't land a round 1 wr I'll be a bit ticked off.

It's a blessing in disguise. Ridley was the most talented receiver, but Trevor locked onto him too much. Now without a true #1, Trevor will go through his reads and find the open man. Kirk, Engram, Davis, and Jones are all weapons. Davis is still ascending and could flourish.  

In the draft, there's no need to reach or desperately trade up. I'm all for picking Thomas or Bowers if one is there at #17. I'd also be happy with a trade down to get Coleman and extra picks or Legette in round 2. Other than that, I want Baalke to seek BAP at DL, OL, and CB. Move up and down to pick players in the right spots. No other positions should be drafted.   

Ideal draft is:

3 DL -- one edge, one penetrating DT, one beefy NT
1 CB -- potential outside starter only, no slot guys
2 OL -- potential starters only, all positions in play
1 WR/TE -- someone who can make an impact in year 1 and develop into a stud

(03-14-2024, 09:07 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]

(03-13-2024, 09:33 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]Ridley was pur best receiver. I'm not gonna be too upset about it yet, but if we don't land a round 1 wr I'll be a bit ticked off.

It's a blessing in disguise. Ridley was the most talented receiver, but Trevor locked onto him too much. Now without a true #1, Trevor will go through his reads and find the open man. Kirk, Engram, Davis, and Jones are all weapons. Davis is still ascending and could flourish.  

In the draft, there's no need to reach or desperately trade up. I'm all for picking Thomas or Bowers if one is there at #17. I'd also be happy with a trade down to get Coleman and extra picks or Legette in round 2. Other than that, I want Baalke to seek BAP at DL, OL, and CB. Move up and down to pick players in the right spots. No other positions should be drafted.   

Ideal draft is:

3 DL -- one edge, one penetrating DT, one beefy NT
1 CB -- potential outside starter only, no slot guys
2 OL -- potential starters only, all positions in play
1 WR/TE -- someone who can make an impact in year 1 and develop into a stud

Ideal draft is to draft 7 starters and to move around to make these perfect picks at the perfect value spot?

Do people even understand what they post?

I would suggest what you just described has never been done in the history of the NFL draft.