(04-20-2024, 12:54 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-19-2024, 11:02 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a little mixed on the Shatley signing. If there is little to no guaranteed money, it doesn't hurt to have more depth on your 80 man roster. However, if this is a signal that the Jaguars don't plan to draft an IOL, I don't like it.
This is worrisome.
Agreed, because of the timing. This is the time teams are polishing up their draft boards, and if a targeted guard group isn't in the top half of the list this is the type of move you make. Now maybe it's a cloak and dagger move to make sure teams don't leapfrog them in the draft...but I doubt it.
(04-20-2024, 11:46 AM)cland Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2024, 12:54 AM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]This is worrisome.
Agreed, because of the timing. This is the time teams are polishing up their draft boards, and if a targeted guard group isn't in the top half of the list this is the type of move you make. Now maybe it's a cloak and dagger move to make sure teams don't leapfrog them in the draft...but I doubt it.
I wouldn't read anything into it until the guaranteed money, if any, is known. If there are little to no guarantees as I suspect, it may be just a precautionary move in case they have a Guard or Guards on their targets list but are unsure he/they will be there when they are slated to pick, so let's shore up the position a bit in the event that we come out of the draft with no viable Guard prospects.
A contract with little to no guaranteed money is basically just a camp invitation acceptance.
(04-20-2024, 12:05 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2024, 11:46 AM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed, because of the timing. This is the time teams are polishing up their draft boards, and if a targeted guard group isn't in the top half of the list this is the type of move you make. Now maybe it's a cloak and dagger move to make sure teams don't leapfrog them in the draft...but I doubt it.
I wouldn't read anything into it until the guaranteed money, if any, is known. If there are little to no guarantees as I suspect, it may be just a precautionary move in case they have a Guard or Guards on their targets list but are unsure he/they will be there when they are slated to pick, so let's shore up the position a bit in the event that we come out of the draft with no viable Guard prospects.
A contract with little to no guaranteed money is basically just a camp invitation acceptance.
exactly
While I'd prefer they seek a different camp body with more upside, this guy knows the offense and could potentially be useful to any youth added to the IOL as they learn the system.
(04-20-2024, 12:05 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2024, 11:46 AM)cland Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed, because of the timing. This is the time teams are polishing up their draft boards, and if a targeted guard group isn't in the top half of the list this is the type of move you make. Now maybe it's a cloak and dagger move to make sure teams don't leapfrog them in the draft...but I doubt it.
I wouldn't read anything into it until the guaranteed money, if any, is known. If there are little to no guarantees as I suspect, it may be just a precautionary move in case they have a Guard or Guards on their targets list but are unsure he/they will be there when they are slated to pick, so let's shore up the position a bit in the event that we come out of the draft with no viable Guard prospects.
A contract with little to no guaranteed money is basically just a camp invitation acceptance.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville...ley-14931/
His last contract had 2.3M guaranteed. If the new deal is similar, that's a good amount of money for a camp invitation.
NYC4jags Wrote:exactly
While I'd prefer they seek a different camp body with more upside, this guy knows the offense and could potentially be useful to any youth added to the IOL as they learn the system.
I somewhat agree with the "knows the offense" point, but I would think that there would be a much better backup/borderline starter available post-draft, as you said. The ZBS isn't exactly an unknown system, and there are already vets in the offense that can teach it. Not trying to nit-pick a minimal ~2.3M (if that's what it is,) but I just don't like that they keep going back to familiar faces when the current system has not worked.
(04-20-2024, 12:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2024, 12:05 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't read anything into it until the guaranteed money, if any, is known. If there are little to no guarantees as I suspect, it may be just a precautionary move in case they have a Guard or Guards on their targets list but are unsure he/they will be there when they are slated to pick, so let's shore up the position a bit in the event that we come out of the draft with no viable Guard prospects.
A contract with little to no guaranteed money is basically just a camp invitation acceptance.
exactly
While I'd prefer they seek a different camp body with more upside, this guy knows the offense and could potentially be useful to any youth added to the IOL as they learn the system.
Agreed. The last couple of years they have been allowed to have a certain number of "veteran" players on the practice squad.
on a side note ... the 49ers rumour is waffling around again. Reportedly they wanted our 17 and Zay. In exchange we get to pay Aiuk a ton of money or risk a one year rental, instead of them. Also, they are in dire need of a center with only 6 mill in cap space. Are they desperate? Why yes, they had to sign 32 year old Jon Feliciano (center) to a one year deal, even then they had to add a void year to get themselves under the cap. At 17 they will have their pick of O-linemen which they need in a big way.
I say do not bail them out. They spent themselves to this point let them suffer the consequences. Maybe do the swap for one of our 4th rounders. I am not sold on the guy being a true #1 without Debo, Kittle and McCaffrey drawing attention and a real stout o-line. I would argue our current group would do just as well without him if the line was as stout. (if not better)
(04-20-2024, 01:19 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2024, 12:05 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't read anything into it until the guaranteed money, if any, is known. If there are little to no guarantees as I suspect, it may be just a precautionary move in case they have a Guard or Guards on their targets list but are unsure he/they will be there when they are slated to pick, so let's shore up the position a bit in the event that we come out of the draft with no viable Guard prospects.
A contract with little to no guaranteed money is basically just a camp invitation acceptance.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville...ley-14931/
His last contract had 2.3M guaranteed. If the new deal is similar, that's a good amount of money for a camp invitation.
NYC4jags Wrote:exactly
While I'd prefer they seek a different camp body with more upside, this guy knows the offense and could potentially be useful to any youth added to the IOL as they learn the system.
I somewhat agree with the "knows the offense" point, but I would think that there would be a much better backup/borderline starter available post-draft, as you said. The ZBS isn't exactly an unknown system, and there are already vets in the offense that can teach it. Not trying to nit-pick a minimal ~2.3M (if that's what it is,) but I just don't like that they keep going back to familiar faces when the current system has not worked.
Reading anything into a vet backup familiar with the system signed to a camp body deal is absolutely "nit-picking"
Let's see what the depth chart looks like in September before unnecessarily making something out of nothing.
They just signed a Center and a LG who are worlds better than Shatley and they've interviewed, worked out, or gone to pro days of a half dozen guys that could be the heir apparent to the aging player at RG.
I'm not worried about Shatley and I doubt he sees the field after preseason, if he's even on the roster at that point.
Regarding doubling down on the "system" I'd love to see Doug alter his run scheme - and based on his comments it sounds like he'll be removing some of the unnecessary bells and whistles he has baked into his version of ZBS.
I welcome that change and hope they can fix last year's short yardage issues that way. Adding Shatley doesn't tell us a damn thing about that though.
Would you trade for AJ Brown ?
(04-20-2024, 07:21 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Would you trade for AJ Brown ?
Yeah. Seems he has a bit of an attitude. He’s a top wr.
(04-20-2024, 08:47 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2024, 07:21 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Would you trade for AJ Brown ?
Yeah. Seems he has a bit of an attitude. He’s a top wr.
Already have a lot of money tied up in the WR position. Draft and develop B. Thomas or Legette.
(04-20-2024, 01:19 PM)cland Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2024, 12:05 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't read anything into it until the guaranteed money, if any, is known. If there are little to no guarantees as I suspect, it may be just a precautionary move in case they have a Guard or Guards on their targets list but are unsure he/they will be there when they are slated to pick, so let's shore up the position a bit in the event that we come out of the draft with no viable Guard prospects.
A contract with little to no guaranteed money is basically just a camp invitation acceptance.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/jacksonville...ley-14931/
His last contract had 2.3M guaranteed. If the new deal is similar, that's a good amount of money for a camp invitation.
He's 33. If you'd offer a 33 year old back up guard $2.3M whether he steps foot on the field or not in the upcoming season, please proceed directly to 2 NRG Park in Houston and put your resume in to replace Nick Caserio. Yes, you can use me as a reference.
(04-20-2024, 07:21 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Would you trade for AJ Brown ?
Who would trade for that head case?
All the talent in the world doesn't matter when you are freaking nuts. lol
(04-19-2024, 11:02 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-19-2024, 03:03 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think you typing slower will help you.
Shatley back
https://x.com/Demetrius82/status/1781391894339068266
I'm a little mixed on the Shatley signing. If there is little to no guaranteed money, it doesn't hurt to have more depth on your 80 man roster. However, if this is a signal that the Jaguars don't plan to draft an IOL, I don't like it.
camp. body.
Doesn't hurt to have him around, he knows the staff and the offense. Go back to Doug's statement at the end of last season - Shatley's already demonstrated that he's an injury risk, you're not going to bank on him being the solution to improving the group or keeping consistency of a starting lineup if he's next man up. If we do bring in some day 3 guys or street FAs, it's good to give them a guy who already knows the plan to compete against for their roster spot. Where he may lack in durability, they'll lack in experience.
I ain't gonna sweat. We got less than a week before the sky is confirmed to be falling, and the summer will be long.
(04-20-2024, 07:21 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Would you trade for AJ Brown ?
not one bit.
We got enough expensive WR, I want em younger and cheaper.
Why would the Iggles want to be rid of him already?
Baalke and Pederson have expressed character as a desired trait in player acquisition. I don't see them going after AJ Brown.
Shatley was not receiving any attention on the FA market, and the Jags threw him a minimum bone to come in and compete for a backup spot. No big deal here.
AJ Brown? The guy that quit his team and walked off the field? If the same one, hell no!
(04-22-2024, 01:15 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (04-22-2024, 12:46 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]AJ Brown? The guy that quit his team and walked off the field? If the same one, hell no!
Antonio != AJ
Um…no. Antonio is in a class all his own.
(04-20-2024, 12:45 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2024, 12:05 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't read anything into it until the guaranteed money, if any, is known. If there are little to no guarantees as I suspect, it may be just a precautionary move in case they have a Guard or Guards on their targets list but are unsure he/they will be there when they are slated to pick, so let's shore up the position a bit in the event that we come out of the draft with no viable Guard prospects.
A contract with little to no guaranteed money is basically just a camp invitation acceptance.
exactly
While I'd prefer they seek a different camp body with more upside, this guy knows the offense and could potentially be useful to any youth added to the IOL as they learn the system.
"I'll mentor 'em right to the bench"
We have yhe better Antonio on our team atm