(03-29-2024, 09:41 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2024, 09:36 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Fantastic! Have to wonder what this means though for guys like Lloyd & Muma. With Nielsen's base defense, do they plan on moving Lloyd to weakside now? Muma seems like a potential player they could be looking to trade for some recoup.
Originally signed a 3 year 45 mil. And now got him for 4 year 45 mil. His cap hit this year is much lower as well I'm sure
Yeah. He was high up there on the cap. 2nd or 3rd highest I think but he's worth every single penny. Adding a year onto that amount should lower it a good bit.
(03-29-2024, 09:36 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2024, 09:30 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Oluokun extended
https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/177370...49511?s=20
4 year 45 mil. Can get out in 2 years if we want
Fantastic! Have to wonder what this means though for guys like Lloyd & Muma. With Nielsen's base defense, do they plan on moving Lloyd to weakside now? Muma seems like a potential player they could be looking to trade for some recoup.
It goes to show how short sighted the Ventrell Miller pick was last year. Now we have 3 MLBs in whom we've invested a good but large contact and 2 mid-round draft picks. There isn't enough field time for 3 MLBs in the new scheme, though Miller would've been ok as an inside run stuffing linebacker in the 34. I'd rather they moved on from the Miller mistake than Muma as Muma is clearly the better overall athlete. Likely they keep all three and it's Shaq Quarterman who's time has come.
Miller and Muma. Great picks Baalke!
(03-29-2024, 09:55 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Miller and Muma. Great picks Baalke!
If we were committed to the 34 long term then yeah, we needed talent at linebacker. Now we're stuck with guys we don't need since we hired a DC who doesn't run the same scheme as the previous one. This kind of thing doesn't happen often because it takes 2 years to change your personnel to the new scheme, but man, I felt like we just got to the point where we had the guys we need for the 34. Now we have to undo that, hopefully it's just this one offseason to get it done.
(03-29-2024, 09:50 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2024, 09:36 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Fantastic! Have to wonder what this means though for guys like Lloyd & Muma. With Nielsen's base defense, do they plan on moving Lloyd to weakside now? Muma seems like a potential player they could be looking to trade for some recoup.
It goes to show how short sighted the Ventrell Miller pick was last year. Now we have 3 MLBs in whom we've invested a good but large contact and 2 mid-round draft picks. There isn't enough field time for 3 MLBs in the new scheme, though Miller would've been ok as an inside run stuffing linebacker in the 34. I'd rather they moved on from the Miller mistake than Muma as Muma is clearly the better overall athlete. Likely they keep all three and it's Shaq Quarterman who's time has come.
Miller can play all 3 LB spots in a 4-3. Hopefully he will be fully healthy by training camp. Muma hasnt't been good when given the opportunity. I liked Muma coming out but I wanted Christian Harris, should be good LB competition in camp
(03-29-2024, 09:50 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2024, 09:36 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Fantastic! Have to wonder what this means though for guys like Lloyd & Muma. With Nielsen's base defense, do they plan on moving Lloyd to weakside now? Muma seems like a potential player they could be looking to trade for some recoup.
It goes to show how short sighted the Ventrell Miller pick was last year. Now we have 3 MLBs in whom we've invested a good but large contact and 2 mid-round draft picks. There isn't enough field time for 3 MLBs in the new scheme, though Miller would've been ok as an inside run stuffing linebacker in the 34. I'd rather they moved on from the Miller mistake than Muma as Muma is clearly the better overall athlete. Likely they keep all three and it's Shaq Quarterman who's time has come.
It wasn't well thought out. Quarterman being the odd man out makes the most sense here.
(03-29-2024, 10:09 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2024, 09:50 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It goes to show how short sighted the Ventrell Miller pick was last year. Now we have 3 MLBs in whom we've invested a good but large contact and 2 mid-round draft picks. There isn't enough field time for 3 MLBs in the new scheme, though Miller would've been ok as an inside run stuffing linebacker in the 34. I'd rather they moved on from the Miller mistake than Muma as Muma is clearly the better overall athlete. Likely they keep all three and it's Shaq Quarterman who's time has come.
Miller can play all 3 LB spots in a 4-3. Hopefully he will be fully healthy by training camp. Muma hasnt't been good when given the opportunity. I liked Muma coming out but I wanted Christian Harris, should be good LB competition in camp
Didn't know that about Miller. Muma I kind of remember vaguely. Moreso during his rookie year.
Hate to say it, but, Muma could be the easiest guy to trade in my opinion because he was a decently coveted linebacker leaving Wyoming and he's a former 3rd RD investment. You could probably shop him around for a 5th or 6th RD pick.
You're taking a loss either way.
Send him to the Panthers for a 4th RD pick. They love our sloppy second's.
(03-29-2024, 10:11 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2024, 10:09 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Miller can play all 3 LB spots in a 4-3. Hopefully he will be fully healthy by training camp. Muma hasnt't been good when given the opportunity. I liked Muma coming out but I wanted Christian Harris, should be good LB competition in camp
Didn't know that about Miller. Muma I kind of remember vaguely. Moreso during his rookie year.
Hate to say it, but, Muma could be the easiest guy to trade in my opinion because he was a decently coveted linebacker leaving Wyoming and he's a former 3rd RD investment. You could probably shop him around for a 5th or 6th RD pick.
You're taking a loss either way.
Send him to the Panthers for a 4th RD pick. They love our sloppy second's.
Perhaps, but I'd hold on if alls that you could find is a 5th or worse. I'd take the Panther's high 4th rounder though.
(03-29-2024, 10:09 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2024, 09:50 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It goes to show how short sighted the Ventrell Miller pick was last year. Now we have 3 MLBs in whom we've invested a good but large contact and 2 mid-round draft picks. There isn't enough field time for 3 MLBs in the new scheme, though Miller would've been ok as an inside run stuffing linebacker in the 34. I'd rather they moved on from the Miller mistake than Muma as Muma is clearly the better overall athlete. Likely they keep all three and it's Shaq Quarterman who's time has come.
Miller can play all 3 LB spots in a 4-3. Hopefully he will be fully healthy by training camp. Muma hasnt't been good when given the opportunity. I liked Muma coming out but I wanted Christian Harris, should be good LB competition in camp
Miller is a 4.8 40 time linebacker, he's not nearly athletic enough to do anything but run stuff in the middle. I know your reflexive instinct is to defend all thing Gata, but he was over drafted and is quite limited. I thought he'd be a 3rd day Teams pick but our trusty GM reached for his favorite position anyway.
(03-29-2024, 10:11 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2024, 09:50 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]It goes to show how short sighted the Ventrell Miller pick was last year. Now we have 3 MLBs in whom we've invested a good but large contact and 2 mid-round draft picks. There isn't enough field time for 3 MLBs in the new scheme, though Miller would've been ok as an inside run stuffing linebacker in the 34. I'd rather they moved on from the Miller mistake than Muma as Muma is clearly the better overall athlete. Likely they keep all three and it's Shaq Quarterman who's time has come.
It wasn't well thought out. Quarterman being the odd man out makes the most sense here.
(03-29-2024, 10:09 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Miller can play all 3 LB spots in a 4-3. Hopefully he will be fully healthy by training camp. Muma hasnt't been good when given the opportunity. I liked Muma coming out but I wanted Christian Harris, should be good LB competition in camp
Didn't know that about Miller. Muma I kind of remember vaguely. Moreso during his rookie year.
Hate to say it, but, Muma could be the easiest guy to trade in my opinion because he was a decently coveted linebacker leaving Wyoming and he's a former 3rd RD investment. You could probably shop him around for a 5th or 6th RD pick.
You're taking a loss either way.
Send him to the Panthers for a 4th RD pick. They love our sloppy second's.
I'd definitely trade him for a 4th but I don't see anyone trading more than a late rounder for Muma. He just hasnt been very good. With that said he's still young at 24 and he could improve with experience and a new defense. We need 3 good off the ball LB's now and depth. Nothing wrong with depth incase of injury.
(03-29-2024, 10:21 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2024, 10:09 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Miller can play all 3 LB spots in a 4-3. Hopefully he will be fully healthy by training camp. Muma hasnt't been good when given the opportunity. I liked Muma coming out but I wanted Christian Harris, should be good LB competition in camp
Miller is a 4.8 40 time linebacker, he's not nearly athletic enough to do anything but run stuff in the middle. I know your reflexive instinct is to defend all thing Gata, but he was over drafted and is quite limited. I thought he'd be a 3rd day Teams pick but our trusty GM reached for his favorite position anyway.
Miller didn't even run a 40 at the combine or his pro day because he was coming off an injury lol. You are throwing [BLEEP] at the wall again hoping it sticks. Swing and a miss for you once again as usual. If he did run the 40 I'd probably say around a 4.6. He can play any of the 3 LB spots, health will be the only concern. Have you ever seen him play?
Travon- Very good
Lloyd- good
After that? Who in that class might be on the Jags long term. And this is just from 2022.
Fortner is absolute trash. Muma is a backup. Snoop isn’t even on the team anymore
(03-29-2024, 10:43 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Travon- Very good
Lloyd- good
After that? Who in that class might be on the Jags long term. And this is just from 2022.
Fortner is absolute trash. Muma is a backup. Snoop isn’t even on the team anymore
It's still a tad early for final judgement on that, but if you go look at multiple teams drafts year by year, on average walking away with 3 guys that are significant contributors years later is a good draft. 2 guys may be average to below average, but it could be and has been much worse here.
The one link you posted also shows a 4.6 lol
(03-29-2024, 11:15 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2024, 11:07 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.sun-sentinel.com/2023/04/29/...sh%20Allen.
https://www.fieldgulls.com/2023/4/8/2367...ell-miller
One you posted shows a 4.7. They are all over the place because they have no clue what his 40 time is lol. You should try to start watching games instead of getting all your information from random sites. A lot of sites say and post things for clicks. These sites are all over the place on most of these prospects. Watch Miller and you will realize he isn't slow. He flies all over the place and is always around the football. His game speed is the least of my worries for Miller
I watch all the gata games, and I feel bad for you that you suffer such a severe visual disability.
You watch Jaguars football but It's been clear for years you don't watch college football. Hell, you watch Jaguars football and was just until recently you thought Fortner was the future at center lol.
(03-29-2024, 11:17 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2024, 11:15 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I watch all the gata games, and I feel bad for you that you suffer such a severe visual disability.
You watch Jaguars football but It's been clear for years you don't watch college football. Hell, you watch Jaguars football and was just until recently you thought Fortner was the future at center lol.
Yes, I did, because rookies need time to grow. After two years it looks like Fortner is capped out. What's clear is that you suffer a pretty severe bias towards your preferred college team. Just me posting something critical of this gata player sends you into a whirlwind of reflexive "NUH-UH!!!!!!" behavior that was laughably predictable. I hope to help you break your problem through continued coaching, but you are one of the more resistant students I've had. I'll keep at it though, for the good of us all.
(03-29-2024, 11:05 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2024, 10:43 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Travon- Very good
Lloyd- good
After that? Who in that class might be on the Jags long term. And this is just from 2022.
Fortner is absolute trash. Muma is a backup. Snoop isn’t even on the team anymore
It's still a tad early for final judgement on that, but if you go look at multiple teams drafts year by year, on average walking away with 3 guys that are significant contributors years later is a good draft. 2 guys may be average to below average, but it could be and has been much worse here.
So the expectations are low then?
Just don’t be as bad as the worst franchise in the NFL for years?
I’m not throwing out 2023 yet obviously but those picks also don’t look very promising outside of Anton. Backup TE, backup RB and an off ball linebacker?