(03-22-2024, 12:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2024, 12:02 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The latest Gene Frenette article.
It is a good start, and, let's hope they continue this trend in next month's draft. Resting on their laurels proved detrimental to the team after a surprising turnaround in 2022. Getting off to an impressive 8 - 3 start in 2023, only to collapse to a 9 - 8 finish reeks of falling off the rails mentally and physically.
It's good to see they acknowledged it publicly earlier this year as a team and they're at least staying good on their word by adding stronger presences to both sides of the football. Morse and Armstead were a good start. I hope they consider doubling down in the draft with the IOL/IDL/EDGE room after they land a quality CB early as well.
Last thing you want to see in 2024 is a repeat of 2023. Need quality, competent football players waiting in the hopper to step right in this year when the inevitable strikes. Because it will. There's an unfortunate duality to being physical. It sometimes comes at the expense of one's body.
Need an absolute MASSIVE showing this summer during training camp and during preseason as well from that 2023 draft class. They ALL need to show significant improvement in year two. Guys like Strange, Bigsby, Braswell, Lacy, Hodges & Abdullah need to make an impression fast.
I totally agree with the bolded sentence. All this offseason improvement can go away with one single injury to either the offensive or defensive line. We really need some young talent, because guys like Scherff, Robinson, and Morse are not young, and are not signed long term. Plus, Armstead isn't young either, and so far, he's the only significant addition to our defensive line.
(03-22-2024, 12:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2024, 12:02 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]The latest Gene Frenette article.
It is a good start, and, let's hope they continue this trend in next month's draft. Resting on their laurels proved detrimental to the team after a surprising turnaround in 2022. Getting off to an impressive 8 - 3 start in 2023, only to collapse to a 9 - 8 finish reeks of falling off the rails mentally and physically.
It's good to see they acknowledged it publicly earlier this year as a team and they're at least staying good on their word by adding stronger presences to both sides of the football. Morse and Armstead were a good start. I hope they consider doubling down in the draft with the IOL/IDL/EDGE room after they land a quality CB early as well.
Last thing you want to see in 2024 is a repeat of 2023. Need quality, competent football players waiting in the hopper to step right in this year when the inevitable strikes. Because it will. There's an unfortunate duality to being physical. It sometimes comes at the expense of one's body.
Need an absolute MASSIVE showing this summer during training camp and during preseason as well from that 2023 draft class. They ALL need to show significant improvement in year two. Guys like Strange, Bigsby, Braswell, Lacy, Hodges & Abdullah need to make an impression fast.
I’ll be hard-scoping Hodges for one of those guard positions. He impressed last camp.
(03-22-2024, 12:42 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2024, 12:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It is a good start, and, let's hope they continue this trend in next month's draft. Resting on their laurels proved detrimental to the team after a surprising turnaround in 2022. Getting off to an impressive 8 - 3 start in 2023, only to collapse to a 9 - 8 finish reeks of falling off the rails mentally and physically.
It's good to see they acknowledged it publicly earlier this year as a team and they're at least staying good on their word by adding stronger presences to both sides of the football. Morse and Armstead were a good start. I hope they consider doubling down in the draft with the IOL/IDL/EDGE room after they land a quality CB early as well.
Last thing you want to see in 2024 is a repeat of 2023. Need quality, competent football players waiting in the hopper to step right in this year when the inevitable strikes. Because it will. There's an unfortunate duality to being physical. It sometimes comes at the expense of one's body.
Need an absolute MASSIVE showing this summer during training camp and during preseason as well from that 2023 draft class. They ALL need to show significant improvement in year two. Guys like Strange, Bigsby, Braswell, Lacy, Hodges & Abdullah need to make an impression fast.
I totally agree with the bolded sentence. All this offseason improvement can go away with one single injury to either the offensive or defensive line. We really need some young talent, because guys like Scherff, Robinson, and Morse are not young, and are not signed long term. Plus, Armstead isn't young either, and so far, he's the only significant addition to our defensive line.
Exactly. Time to reload early this year. Hedging your bets on just Morse being an improvement over Fortner and Armstead being the only main addition is simply not good enough. Needs to be a steady flow of competition in the trenches this year. Fortner is already on notice. Hamilton needs to show he's ready to go after a incredibly odd year with his health.
Doubling down early and adding another competent IDL and IOL player there just adds more fuel to the summer fire this year. Which is what we need to see.
(03-22-2024, 12:43 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2024, 12:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It is a good start, and, let's hope they continue this trend in next month's draft. Resting on their laurels proved detrimental to the team after a surprising turnaround in 2022. Getting off to an impressive 8 - 3 start in 2023, only to collapse to a 9 - 8 finish reeks of falling off the rails mentally and physically.
It's good to see they acknowledged it publicly earlier this year as a team and they're at least staying good on their word by adding stronger presences to both sides of the football. Morse and Armstead were a good start. I hope they consider doubling down in the draft with the IOL/IDL/EDGE room after they land a quality CB early as well.
Last thing you want to see in 2024 is a repeat of 2023. Need quality, competent football players waiting in the hopper to step right in this year when the inevitable strikes. Because it will. There's an unfortunate duality to being physical. It sometimes comes at the expense of one's body.
Need an absolute MASSIVE showing this summer during training camp and during preseason as well from that 2023 draft class. They ALL need to show significant improvement in year two. Guys like Strange, Bigsby, Braswell, Lacy, Hodges & Abdullah need to make an impression fast.
I’ll be hard-scoping Hodges for one of those guard positions. He impressed last camp.
Pulling for the kid. Especially because he's a 7th RD investment. Getting anything out of him is good. Getting a potential back-up with starting caliber traits is even better if he ends up sliding into the line-up later on this year or in 2025.
I am still keeping an eye on Brandon Coleman, Mason McCormick and Javion Cohen though if they're there between the 113th and 115th selections we have at our disposal in RD4. That's a really fortunate position to be in. Wouldn't put it past Baalke to try and move back up into RD3 though with a combination of those picks.
(03-22-2024, 12:42 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2024, 12:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It is a good start, and, let's hope they continue this trend in next month's draft. Resting on their laurels proved detrimental to the team after a surprising turnaround in 2022. Getting off to an impressive 8 - 3 start in 2023, only to collapse to a 9 - 8 finish reeks of falling off the rails mentally and physically.
It's good to see they acknowledged it publicly earlier this year as a team and they're at least staying good on their word by adding stronger presences to both sides of the football. Morse and Armstead were a good start. I hope they consider doubling down in the draft with the IOL/IDL/EDGE room after they land a quality CB early as well.
Last thing you want to see in 2024 is a repeat of 2023. Need quality, competent football players waiting in the hopper to step right in this year when the inevitable strikes. Because it will. There's an unfortunate duality to being physical. It sometimes comes at the expense of one's body.
Need an absolute MASSIVE showing this summer during training camp and during preseason as well from that 2023 draft class. They ALL need to show significant improvement in year two. Guys like Strange, Bigsby, Braswell, Lacy, Hodges & Abdullah need to make an impression fast.
I totally agree with the bolded sentence. All this offseason improvement can go away with one single injury to either the offensive or defensive line. We really need some young talent, because guys like Scherff, Robinson, and Morse are not young, and are not signed long term. Plus, Armstead isn't young either, and so far, he's the only significant addition to our defensive line.
Everyone wants to have depth at those 3 positions. It would be great if they could hit on those positions.
However, it's very odd that the Jags haven't taken a WR with a top 100 pick since Trevor has been the QB. That really does need to change in this draft. This draft is so deep at WR that they should be taking one at 17 or 48. I would even double up in this draft at WR. For me, the entire draft should be OL, WR and CB.
(03-22-2024, 01:10 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2024, 12:42 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I totally agree with the bolded sentence. All this offseason improvement can go away with one single injury to either the offensive or defensive line. We really need some young talent, because guys like Scherff, Robinson, and Morse are not young, and are not signed long term. Plus, Armstead isn't young either, and so far, he's the only significant addition to our defensive line.
Everyone wants to have depth at those 3 positions. It would be great if they could hit on those positions.
However, it's very odd that the Jags haven't taken a WR with a top 100 pick since Trevor has been the QB. That really does need to change in this draft. This draft is so deep at WR that they should be taking one at 17 or 48. I would even double up in this draft at WR. For me, the entire draft should be OL, WR and CB.
50/50 for me. I cited a minute ago, too, that, they could potentially package up picks 113 & 115 to easily move back up within the top 100. They're sitting at 96 as well with that compensatory selection from the Jawaan Taylor signing in Kansas City.
If they go CB and IOL or IOL and DL with the 17th and 48th picks they will probably start shifting towards WR. I just think you have to consider Baalke's history, both, here and in San Francisco. He just doesn't seem like the type of General Manager that's going to drop early selections on that position.
He also went out and tied up $45.7M in that WR group already via free agency. That's the 4th most cap investment at the position in the NFL. We're trailing the 49ers, Seahawks and Cowboys in that area. Because of the contract's with Kirk and Jones I think this could be a unique year or situation where Baalke
MAYBE deviates from his earlier tendencies in the draft.
So far, the most compelling news to support that possibility was talks with Rome Odunze and now the recent situation where Baalke opted to leave the Florida Pro Day once Ricky Pearsall opted not to participate after an already strong showing at the combine and bowl game.
(03-22-2024, 12:43 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2024, 12:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It is a good start, and, let's hope they continue this trend in next month's draft. Resting on their laurels proved detrimental to the team after a surprising turnaround in 2022. Getting off to an impressive 8 - 3 start in 2023, only to collapse to a 9 - 8 finish reeks of falling off the rails mentally and physically.
It's good to see they acknowledged it publicly earlier this year as a team and they're at least staying good on their word by adding stronger presences to both sides of the football. Morse and Armstead were a good start. I hope they consider doubling down in the draft with the IOL/IDL/EDGE room after they land a quality CB early as well.
Last thing you want to see in 2024 is a repeat of 2023. Need quality, competent football players waiting in the hopper to step right in this year when the inevitable strikes. Because it will. There's an unfortunate duality to being physical. It sometimes comes at the expense of one's body.
Need an absolute MASSIVE showing this summer during training camp and during preseason as well from that 2023 draft class. They ALL need to show significant improvement in year two. Guys like Strange, Bigsby, Braswell, Lacy, Hodges & Abdullah need to make an impression fast.
I’ll be hard-scoping Hodges for one of those guard positions. He impressed last camp.
And also, he has a cool nickname. Let's hope his career goes better than "he hate me" lol
I havent seen any news on Ventrell Miller for a while.
LB is not a big need but this guy, if healthy, could be a nice add. I guess he will be used on special team first.
(03-22-2024, 02:13 PM)MikePete54 Wrote: [ -> ]I havent seen any news on Ventrell Miller for a while.
LB is not a big need but this guy, if healthy, could be a nice add. I guess he will be used on special team first.
He was a pretty good tackler for the Gators. Especially good against the run. At some point, you would have to imagine, that, they have something planned with him and their young talent at LB in general.
27th overall investment made in Devin Lloyd, after trading up to get him.
70th overall investment made in Chad Muma, same exact draft class as Lloyd.
121st overall investment made in Ventrell Miller.
Oluokon has been outstanding and worth every single penny but he's the second highest paid player on defense and he's the fourth highest cap hit at the moment on the team at $21.7M. With Josh Allen's deal due any day now? They're more than likely looking to move on from Oluokon while hoping Lloyd, Muma and Miller can slide into larger roles.
It won't be this year. But, I think Oluokon is probably out of here in 2025.
Not exactly sure how Nielsen's fronts or base defenses will look, but, if it's a 4 - 3 hybrid or 3 - 4 hybrid it would be interesting to see where Lloyd and Muma fit into the defense in the event something happens with Oluokon. Miller does offer good special team's value. Essentially filling the Shaq Quarterman spot/role on the roster I would think in year two.
(03-22-2024, 01:24 PM)Marcos25067 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2024, 12:43 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]I’ll be hard-scoping Hodges for one of those guard positions. He impressed last camp.
And also, he has a cool nickname. Let's hope his career goes better than "he hate me" lol
Tug boat fits Hodges pretty good. He was hyping the crowd up and doing cart wheels too.
Hate it.
Sneed for a third is a very good deal for the Titans.
[BLEEP] titans got good there
(03-23-2024, 02:46 AM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ][BLEEP] titans got good there
They picked up Awuzie as well. They have gotten much better in the secondary. They signed Cushenberry and will likely draft Joe Alt to put at LT next to Skoronski. Their oline will be pretty damn good on that left side not to mention the addition of Ridley opposite Hopkins. The AFC South is looking like one of the better divisions in football. We have to have a good draft to compete for the division
(03-23-2024, 07:42 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2024, 02:46 AM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ][BLEEP] titans got good there
They picked up Awuzie as well. They have gotten much better in the secondary. They signed Cushenberry and will likely draft Joe Alt to put at LT next to Skoronski. Their oline will be pretty damn good on that left side not to mention the addition of Ridley opposite Hopkins. The AFC South is looking like one of the better divisions in football. We have to have a good draft to compete for the division
Most teams try and draft based around those six match-up's. Coming away with a CB, DT and WR in this draft would enable some degree of counterbalancing their moves out.
Darby & new CB Vs. Ridley
Armstead & new DT Vs. Cushenberry
Davis & new WR Vs. Sneed
The key is finding a way back to balance offensively. Being able to run the football more effectively allows this offense to do a lot more. Having defenses do guess work instead of your offense doing half of the work for them is often why teams sink or swim at this level.
(03-23-2024, 07:50 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2024, 07:42 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]They picked up Awuzie as well. They have gotten much better in the secondary. They signed Cushenberry and will likely draft Joe Alt to put at LT next to Skoronski. Their oline will be pretty damn good on that left side not to mention the addition of Ridley opposite Hopkins. The AFC South is looking like one of the better divisions in football. We have to have a good draft to compete for the division
Most teams try and draft based around those six match-up's. Coming away with a CB, DT and WR in this draft would enable some degree of counterbalancing their moves out.
Darby & new CB Vs. Ridley
Armstead & new DT Vs. Cushenberry
Davis & new WR Vs. Sneed
The key is finding a way back to balance offensively. Being able to run the football more effectively allows this offense to do a lot more. Having defenses do guess work instead of your offense doing half of the work for them is often why teams sink or swim at this level.
We have Campbell as well but teams need 3 good good corners. I think we have to go BPA, if Bowers falls im taking him or if Fuaga falls im likely taking him as well. Fuaga would help our run game big time. This draft though matches up well with our needs and we should be able to get a good player at all 3 of three of those positions, or at least 2 of them depending on how the draft falls.
Abolutely, you have to be balanced offensively and defensively. If you have a liability in one aspect good teams will take advantage of that. We have to be able to stop the run as well, last year in the 2nd half of the season that was an issue for us. I really hope Hamilton can come back 100% but I hope be bring in another big run stuffing DT like Jenkins or Sweat. If we dont get one of those DTs in the 2nd there will be some guys in the mid rounds as well but Hamilton back 100% would be the best thing that could happen to this defense.
The good thing is Sneed cant cover Davis
I definitely go for the best OL or DL in the first round.
We need to protect our QB and put pressure on the QB.
Our WRs will be better if our QB has more time to throw.
Our CBs will be better if the opposite QB has less time to throw.
DL and OL in the first two rounds then CB and WR.
(03-22-2024, 01:10 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2024, 12:42 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I totally agree with the bolded sentence. All this offseason improvement can go away with one single injury to either the offensive or defensive line. We really need some young talent, because guys like Scherff, Robinson, and Morse are not young, and are not signed long term. Plus, Armstead isn't young either, and so far, he's the only significant addition to our defensive line.
Everyone wants to have depth at those 3 positions. It would be great if they could hit on those positions.
However, it's very odd that the Jags haven't taken a WR with a top 100 pick since Trevor has been the QB. That really does need to change in this draft. This draft is so deep at WR that they should be taking one at 17 or 48. I would even double up in this draft at WR. For me, the entire draft should be OL, WR and CB.
Our biggest weakness last year was pretty much summed up by Trent Baalke. "We need to get bigger and stronger." We've added one player on the offensive line and one player on the defensive line. I don't want to rest my hopes on the idea that players with that much mileage will be healthy all year. I want to be SURE we got bigger and stronger. So I would be perfectly happy if they spent high picks on offensive and defensive linemen. I don't care so much about WR. Our WRs will look really good if we can run the ball. And they'll also be helped indirectly by us stopping the run and pressuring the opposing passer. I put WR way down on my list of priorities. I know we want to "build the team around Trevor." But sometimes, that just means building a team, period.
They had a ton of cap space and probably still do. The majority of it was getting spent on something this year. The consensus bottom of the division is pulling itself up. Should make things even more interesting. Gotta believe Trevor with time still moves the ball at will against them. Just make sure he has the time please.
(03-23-2024, 10:22 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]They had a ton of cap space and probably still do. The majority of it was getting spent on something this year. The consensus bottom of the division is pulling itself up. Should make things even more interesting. Gotta believe Trevor with time still moves the ball at will against them. Just make sure he has the time please.
I'm still high on Trevor, but I'll admit he got leapfrogged by Stroud while reading his own press clippings (or suffering under Press Taylor's play calls).
Richardson will be scary to play against, but with his style of play he'll be out of commission a lot, much like Lamar Jackson.
Levis is the wild card. He could become a beast. He's got a cannon arm and a gunslinger's mentality. Now he's got a legit offensive coach.