Dems about to impeach again for Trump defunding WHO in an effort to cement his already cemented reelection in November.
The widespread voter fraud is alarming, I'll admit.
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(04-16-2020, 05:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2020, 04:25 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ]My blood is boiling right now. I am a capitalist and believe in the free market system. However with that being said I just saw a report that really pisses me off.
The money from the last "stimulus" package intended to keep small businesses afloat has run out. Evidently some "small businesses" were able to apply for and get approved for loans, even though they really didn't need them. This includes things like hedge fund management businesses, law firms, etc. who still have cash flow and income (fees) that they still take in. The intent was to help the "beauty salon owner" or the "restaurant owner" to be able to keep people employed. Many of these businesses rely on small banks that don't get a lot of the funds available to them, and these businesses have 0 cash flow or income right now.
Meanwhile the democrats are holding up additional funding not for something like this, but because they want to insert money for their "pet projects" (vote buying). Somebody explain to me why it was important to give millions of dollars to the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts which after receiving it they promptly laid off performers and workers.
The idiots in congress are trying to make us like Venezuela or even worse, like the USSR. Prepare to stand in line to buy your 1 allotted loaf of bread on the specific day that the government says.
Neither my wife nor my boss got their loan, even though their applications were complete and on time.
So I'm with you.
I don't want to see pork attached to authorizing more PPP funds either.
But I also want to make sure no other state has an election like Wisconsin just did. We need to start making vote by mail available to everyone. And I don't say that to be partisan. Wisconsin's turnout was way way down, yet, in the only D vs R race on the ballot (state supreme Court), the Democrat won.
(04-16-2020, 04:03 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]At least you stopped denying being a liberal. Progress is being made.
We have better things to argue about than the L word. Doesn't even mean anything anymore.
True, the left conscripted the term "liberal" by pretending that they stood for liberal principles. We know that's not true though no one seems willing to admit it. The true enemy, the socialist left (spit), is what we should be resisting at every turn. You mikey are just a squish RINO who they use as a useful idiot to parrot their lines and attempt to make them palatable to people who really ought to know better.
If there is widespread voter fraud it is obviously pro Republican or completely ineffective.
I mean do they really need the help in California?
(04-16-2020, 06:32 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]If there is widespread voter fraud it is obviously pro Republican or completely ineffective.
I mean do they really need the help in California?
Yeah, you’re the guy not from around here aren’t ya? The Aussie?
The way I see it, despite the fraud and antics the general population has their head on straight.
(04-16-2020, 05:17 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2020, 05:14 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]Neither my wife nor my boss got their loan, even though their applications were complete and on time.
So I'm with you.
I don't want to see pork attached to authorizing more PPP funds either.
But I also want to make sure no other state has an election like Wisconsin just did. We need to start making vote by mail available to everyone. And I don't say that to be partisan. Wisconsin's turnout was way way down, yet, in the only D vs R race on the ballot (state supreme Court), the Democrat won..
They do have vote by mail. It's called absentee voting. My wife and I are registered absentee. I VOTE BY MAIL
The issue is, the people you prefer to vote by mail are too freaking lazy to do what they need to do in order to actually vote by mail.
People like you want the bottom of the barrel of our society determining policy.
So in Florida you can request a ballot by mail with advanced notice, no excuse needed.
That's basically the rule in Wisconsin too, however the stay-at-home orders were really close to the deadline to request a ballot.
The problem is states like Missouri, where you have to swear to a statement saying that you have particular health problems that prevent you from showing up to the polls.
All 50 states need to make vote by mail available to everyone who wants to vote that way, just like Florida, and all elections need to be delayed until everybody who wants one has had a chance to request one.
Once we have that common sense principle in place, it can be up to governors whether to delay elections, or force everyone to switch by vote by mail, during emergencies and pandemics.
(04-16-2020, 06:21 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2020, 06:01 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]The widespread voter fraud is alarming, I'll admit.
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Presumably you don't believe it.
There's no way of knowing how many foreigners voted in California,
There's also no way to know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin...
Let's do ourselves a favor and focus the discussion on the measurable...
(04-16-2020, 07:09 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2020, 05:17 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]They do have vote by mail. It's called absentee voting. My wife and I are registered absentee. I VOTE BY MAIL
The issue is, the people you prefer to vote by mail are too freaking lazy to do what they need to do in order to actually vote by mail.
People like you want the bottom of the barrel of our society determining policy.
So in Florida you can request a ballot by mail with advanced notice, no excuse needed.
That's basically the rule in Wisconsin too, however the stay-at-home orders were really close to the deadline to request a ballot.
The problem is states like Missouri, where you have to swear to a statement saying that you have particular health problems that prevent you from showing up to the polls.
All 50 states need to make vote by mail available to everyone who wants to vote that way, just like Florida, and all elections need to be delayed until everybody who wants one has had a chance to request one.
Once we have that common sense principle in place, it can be up to governors whether to delay elections, or force everyone to switch by vote by mail, during emergencies and pandemics.
(04-16-2020, 06:21 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]Presumably you don't believe it.
There's no way of knowing how many foreigners voted in California,
There's also no way to know how many angels can dance on the head of a pin...
Let's do ourselves a favor and focus the discussion on the measurable...
Do we really need to delay voting for those ready? Or do we say “oh, you didn’t adhere to the social distancing laws and are now sick, so if you’re that dumb maybe you shouldn’t be voting”
(04-16-2020, 06:01 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]The widespread voter fraud is alarming, I'll admit.
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How are you in any position to determine if it is a problem or not? There are 174,252 precincts in the US. How many do you personally monitor on election day, 0 or 1?
(04-16-2020, 07:32 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2020, 06:01 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]The widespread voter fraud is alarming, I'll admit.
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How are you in any position to determine if it is a problem or not? There are 174,252 precincts in the US. How many do you personally monitor on election day, 0 or 1?
Just Claiming fraud simply doesn't make it so.
Show me evidence.
(04-16-2020, 07:37 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2020, 07:19 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]" In February, during a special hearing of the North Carolina State Board of Elections, witnesses testified that a Harris campaign operative (1) hired workers to collect absentee ballots, and, for some that were not yet completed, (2) had those workers chose candidates on the voters' behalf. "
(1) is ballot harvesting, legal in CA, and doesn't violate the principle of a secret ballot.
(2) is fraud, illegal everywhere, investigated everywhere, and hard to do in any significant fashion without being noticed.
Thank you for filling in my point. As far as your choices ...
(3) ballot harvesting is fraud (or worse if it involves coercion), illegal everywhere, easy to do and hard to discover, much less get enough evidence for a conviction. The North Carolina case is just the tip of the iceberg.
In California the fraud is in registering, not ballot harvesting. California doesn't make much effort to check whether or not the registrant is a citizen. Since the foreigners vote for the party in charge there's a strong incentive to let it slip by or even encourage it.
As far as your "angels" comment, that's not a good analogy. How many foreigners vote in California is something that can actually be measured, but California is not interested in doing so..
They weren't choices.
I copied a text from a news report of what happened in North Carolina, and highlighted that one of the verbs was something legal in California, and another of the verbs was something that is illegal everywhere.
I wasn't asking you to choose between two things.
In any case, any kind of shenanigans with absentee ballots are easy to spot before they become significant in scale. think about how many doors you have to knock on or mailboxes you have to open to mess with a thousand mail in votes. The first three people you ask, might be friendly and go along with your schemes. The fourth person you ask might tell you to get the hell off their porch and then place a call to the supervisor of elections.
(04-16-2020, 08:05 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2020, 07:32 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]How are you in any position to determine if it is a problem or not? There are 174,252 precincts in the US. How many do you personally monitor on election day, 0 or 1?
Just Claiming fraud simply doesn't make it so.
Show me evidence.
Brenda Snipes says hello.
(04-16-2020, 07:24 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2020, 07:09 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]So in Florida you can request a ballot by mail with advanced notice, no excuse needed.
That's basically the rule in Wisconsin too, however the stay-at-home orders were really close to the deadline to request a ballot.
The problem is states like Missouri, where you have to swear to a statement saying that you have particular health problems that prevent you from showing up to the polls.
All 50 states need to make vote by mail available to everyone who wants to vote that way, just like Florida, and all elections need to be delayed until everybody who wants one has had a chance to request one.
Once we have that common sense principle in place, it can be up to governors whether to delay elections, or force everyone to switch by vote by mail, during emergencies and pandemics.
Do we really need to delay voting for those ready? Or do we say “oh, you didn’t adhere to the social distancing laws and are now sick, so if you’re that dumb maybe you shouldn’t be voting”
I'm not sure I understand your question.
(04-16-2020, 08:15 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2020, 08:12 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure I understand your question.
Shocker
"Do we really need to delay voting for those ready?"
In a case like Wisconsin, yes, it should have been delayed. Because they, as a state, were not ready. Their governor said they were not ready, but their supreme Court said he didn't have the authority to determine that.
For federal elections (the one in Wisconsin was just a state election), Congress has the authority to impose guidelines on states, so they need to pass a law establishing expectations (vote by mail must be possible for every registered voter) and decision making structures (who gets to delay an election or switch it to be by mail only) as the pandemic continues to unfold.
But what do you mean by ready?
(04-16-2020, 08:05 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ] (04-16-2020, 07:32 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]How are you in any position to determine if it is a problem or not? There are 174,252 precincts in the US. How many do you personally monitor on election day, 0 or 1?
Just Claiming fraud simply doesn't make it so.
Show me evidence.
No thanks, Gabe. I'm tired of playing the game where you pretend you want to learn something.
You consistently demonstrate that you don't, won't or can't.
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