(03-19-2020, 10:15 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2020, 09:44 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]So you want to just give free taxpayer money to corporations ? The same ones who have been paying their executives obscene money?
If the government has to give business large amounts of money they should get an equity stake in order to make sure they get some of the money back.
A bailout is just that. It is our money they are ultimately using for the bailout. Should taxpayers get shares of stock in companies our government sees fit to be saved?
Your inconsistent positions in regards to government spending are amazing. Are you just trying to make sure you are in agreement with anything Trump may do?
Particularly after the criticising giving money to people when you thought it was crazy Mitt
(03-19-2020, 10:30 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2020, 10:15 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]A bailout is just that. It is our money they are ultimately using for the bailout. Should taxpayers get shares of stock in companies our government sees fit to be saved?
Your inconsistent positions in regards to government spending are amazing. Are you just trying to make sure you are in agreement with anything Trump may do?
Particularly after the criticising giving money to people when you thought it was crazy Mitt
Giving set amounts to people is dumb. People have different incomes that support different lifestyles. A person with a 500k mortgage who was laid off due to CV won't be able to cover their bills, so what good does it do at the end of the day? People with 10 kids will be rewarded on top of already being rewarded for having 10 kids.
For the record, Mitt is an idiot.
(03-19-2020, 06:16 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2020, 05:11 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure education plays a role.
Research consistently shows that learning more facts does not help most people assess personal or social risks. Some people can apply the new facts to their decision-making process, but most, even very smart people, cannot. Plus, some decisions, like "people need to stay in their homes" have to be made as a group anyways
Education doesn't play a role, common sense does. And a lot of these people are clearly demonstrating they that they do not have it. And I'm not sure what you mean by not being able to apply new facts to a decision making process, or why that would even be difficult. If I get the fact that there will only be toilet paper available this Friday at Publix between 8 and 12 a.m., then I would think that 'most' people with thier mental faculties intact could apply those new facts to thier decision-making process, show up at that time and get some toilet paper. What's really going on here is that these people just don't care. They are acting recklessly and selfishly and are interested in nothing more than their own gratification. They're young, they think they're invincible. Most all of us have been there. But this is different than past circumstances have been. As someone said on one of the talk shows, maybe if they're told this is a sexually transmitted disease, then they'll back off a bit and practice more responsible behavior. For some of them I still wouldn't count on it
Their behavior is both logical and benign. Our attempt to curb human nature is actually the outlier.
Which has the greater chance of reaching the average spring breaker? Hey kim, dont ho party with ur friends, hang at the beach, drink alcohol, or do anything except calculus homework for the next few weeks
Or
Have fun, wash ur hands and font visit grandma till june?
Every ounce of government energy trying to stop consensual benign behavior that doesnt actually threaten the healthcare system is a childish waste of scarce resources.
We should have quarantined sick and vulnerable people not those lowest on the risk profile with the highest mutable economic capacity.
(03-19-2020, 08:16 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2020, 04:09 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]So what's the deal with Hydroxychloroquine?
https://www.newsweek.com/hydroxychloroqu...rtnerships
I linked to that two days ago. That it only took the US government two days to acknowledge it is a new bureaucratic speed record.
But the FDA head's comment implied that it won't be generally available for a while. Only one or two locales will start out as test grounds. So the bureaucracy still kills.
If someone in my family comes down with COVID-19 I'll be pissed if they refuse to prescribe chloroquine because the FDA hasn't approved it's use in our area yet. If that's the case I'll ask doctor to diagnose malaria in the meantime.
(03-19-2020, 02:21 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]I agree with you that the beach is not a high-risk area, but it's what goes on after the people leave the beach. They go to bars restaurants vape lounges, etc where they are more likely to spread the virus . My larger point was that these are Spring Breakers, and if you have seen any of the interviews on any of the channels, you can see that quite a few of these people really don't care whether they are potentially infecting anyone or not. It's just all about keeping their spring break partying from being ruined. If you can't act responsibly in this type of atmosphere, then someone needs to step in and act responsibly on your behalf. The governor is not doing that.
DeSantis has closed bars, and limited restaurants to 10 feet between tables.
Jax beach is still open as of tonite. Restaurants and bars included
(03-20-2020, 12:42 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2020, 06:16 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Education doesn't play a role, common sense does. And a lot of these people are clearly demonstrating they that they do not have it. And I'm not sure what you mean by not being able to apply new facts to a decision making process, or why that would even be difficult. If I get the fact that there will only be toilet paper available this Friday at Publix between 8 and 12 a.m., then I would think that 'most' people with thier mental faculties intact could apply those new facts to thier decision-making process, show up at that time and get some toilet paper. What's really going on here is that these people just don't care. They are acting recklessly and selfishly and are interested in nothing more than their own gratification. They're young, they think they're invincible. Most all of us have been there. But this is different than past circumstances have been. As someone said on one of the talk shows, maybe if they're told this is a sexually transmitted disease, then they'll back off a bit and practice more responsible behavior. For some of them I still wouldn't count on it
Their behavior is both logical and benign. Our attempt to curb human nature is actually the outlier.
Which has the greater chance of reaching the average spring breaker? Hey kim, dont ho party with ur friends, hang at the beach, drink alcohol, or do anything except calculus homework for the next few weeks
Or
Have fun, wash ur hands and font visit grandma till june?
Every ounce of government energy trying to stop consensual benign behavior that doesnt actually threaten the healthcare system is a childish waste of scarce resources.
We should have quarantined sick and vulnerable people not those lowest on the risk profile with the highest mutable economic capacity.
I dont think the book on 'lowest risk profile' has been finished yet. As more people are tested, that demographic is showing larger totals. And its not all about waiting till June to visit grandma, its about potentially transmitting it tomorrow to a previously uninfected elderly cashier at the grocery or gas station.
(03-20-2020, 12:53 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2020, 12:42 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]Their behavior is both logical and benign. Our attempt to curb human nature is actually the outlier.
Which has the greater chance of reaching the average spring breaker? Hey kim, dont ho party with ur friends, hang at the beach, drink alcohol, or do anything except calculus homework for the next few weeks
Or
Have fun, wash ur hands and font visit grandma till june?
Every ounce of government energy trying to stop consensual benign behavior that doesnt actually threaten the healthcare system is a childish waste of scarce resources.
We should have quarantined sick and vulnerable people not those lowest on the risk profile with the highest mutable economic capacity.
I dont think the book on 'lowest risk profile' has been finished yet. As more people are tested, that demographic is showing larger totals. And its not all about waiting till June to visit grandma, its about potentially transmitting it tomorrow to a previously uninfected elderly cashier at the grocery or gas station.
The elderly person shouldn't be working as a CASHIER!!! They should be sequestered.
Also, the Global testing regime is a joke. This is a largely asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic. Diagnosticslly it is almost indistinguishable from the other myriad of respitory diseases associated with this time of year (no country has more than about a 7% positive rate on corona virus tests, most with pre screening). When you have a virus that hides that way you have a 0% chance of knowing what the actual viral concentration is. And if you dont know the viral concentration rate then u dont ACTUALLY LNOW the mortality and morbidity rates. At current we only test the most symptomatic cases so that will obviously give u a skewed result.
There are theories that a lot of cases in Washington and the Pacific coast were seeded before the first known case (1/21/2020) presented here in the states. We know that the first signs in Wuhan presented in november (if not earlier) theres no way that no one got on a plane before mid january.
(03-19-2020, 09:40 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Government will blackmail companies for a bailout trying to take some sort of equity stake. The beginning of socialism disguised by a virus.
I heard people making over 95k won't be eligible for the government "handout". That sounds fair.
I think the government should take an equity stake, but the company should be required to buy it back as soon as they are able.
I vaguely recall we did this back in 2008-2009, and the government subsequently got their (our) money back.
(03-20-2020, 12:44 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2020, 08:16 PM)MalabarJag Wrote: [ -> ]I linked to that two days ago. That it only took the US government two days to acknowledge it is a new bureaucratic speed record.
But the FDA head's comment implied that it won't be generally available for a while. Only one or two locales will start out as test grounds. So the bureaucracy still kills.
If someone in my family comes down with COVID-19 I'll be pissed if they refuse to prescribe chloroquine because the FDA hasn't approved it's use in our area yet. If that's the case I'll ask doctor to diagnose malaria in the meantime.
DeSantis has closed bars, and limited restaurants to 10 feet between tables.
Jax beach is still open as of tonite. Restaurants and bars included
If their revenues are 51% alcohol, not for the next 30 days.
(03-19-2020, 10:21 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Once this passes, it'll be interesting to see how the parasitic Morgan & Morgan's of the world will move to exploit this. It's pretty certain that some of the organizations targeted for slow/no response will be 1) Disney, which delayed the closing of their parks for over a week after other institutions were closing, 2) the State of Florida, for STILL not closing 100% of the beaches, including Jax Beaches, 3) owners of various malls around the country, 4) The government of Communist China; for causing, knowing about and then suppressing this since mid to late Dec., 5) any medical provider who 'failed to provide adequate medical care', in spite of being short of meds, equipment, personnel and facilities needed, 6) St Augustine Diocese, who continued to hold services until finally suspending them this evening, or 7) <<fill in the blank>> . We will be replacing a medical virus with a legal one.
Isn't there a legal principle called "contributory negligence?" Meaning if the plaintiff was aware of the risk, the defendant is off the hook for a large part of the liability?
It would be like if a rock climber fell to his death, and his family sued the government for allowing him to do rock climbing in a national park. A judge would probably throw out the suit, because the rock climber was aware of the risk.
(03-19-2020, 10:21 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Once this passes, it'll be interesting to see how the parasitic Morgan & Morgan's of the world will move to exploit this. It's pretty certain that some of the organizations targeted for slow/no response will be 1) Disney, which delayed the closing of their parks for over a week after other institutions were closing, 2) the State of Florida, for STILL not closing 100% of the beaches, including Jax Beaches, 3) owners of various malls around the country, 4) The government of Communist China; for causing, knowing about and then suppressing this since mid to late Dec., 5) any medical provider who 'failed to provide adequate medical care', in spite of being short of meds, equipment, personnel and facilities needed, 6) St Augustine Diocese, who continued to hold services until finally suspending them this evening, or 7) <<fill in the blank>> . We will be replacing a medical virus with a legal one.
Absolutely.
I had this conversation with a friend a couple of weeks ago. This is just multiple lawsuits waiting to happen.
"The only place I've been beside my home is in X store, so I had to have contracted it in X store."
I can see the commercials now.
Fat boy Morgan will cash in. He doesn’t miss a trick.
Some companies getting taken to the cleaners won't make me sad. Disney for one will just increase the cost of my annual passes again to make up for it.
And these are your kids on Tide Pods:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa4i9Ap6dCg
Let it be known that my generation bears no affiliation with or responsibility for the kids of late Gen-Xers who are going to make Tide Pods the next hard-to-find item because they think they're food.
(03-20-2020, 09:04 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]And these are your kids on Tide Pods:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa4i9Ap6dCg
Let it be known that my generation bears no affiliation with or responsibility for the kids of late Gen-Xers who are going to make Tide Pods the next hard-to-find item because they think they're food.
It's hard to control teenagers man. I don't have any (yet), but it can be hard to reason with people who think they are invincible. There is certainly some drug use behind those eyes.
It is a shame this guy choose to put himself on camera for all future employers to see and be made an example of. You gotta think his parents paid for the trip and could step in at some point, but that's a different issue.
(03-20-2020, 09:04 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]And these are your kids on Tide Pods:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oa4i9Ap6dCg
Let it be known that my generation bears no affiliation with or responsibility for the kids of late Gen-Xers who are going to make Tide Pods the next hard-to-find item because they think they're food.
And here is the major problem.
[BLEEP] idiots like this thinking only of themselves. Hey, party on doods.
(03-20-2020, 09:15 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2020, 09:04 AM)TJBender Wrote: [ -> ]And these are your kids on Tide Pods:
Let it be known that my generation bears no affiliation with or responsibility for the kids of late Gen-Xers who are going to make Tide Pods the next hard-to-find item because they think they're food.
It's hard to control teenagers man. I don't have any (yet), but it can be hard to reason with people who think they are invincible. There is certainly some drug use behind those eyes.
It is a shame this guy choose to put himself on camera for all future employers to see and be made an example of. You gotta think his parents paid for the trip and could step in at some point, but that's a different issue.
I'm actually thrilled that CBS made sure to pin names to all these faces and voices. Hopefully it comes back to haunt them. The only reasonable one in the bunch was the girl from New Orleans who at least recognized the magnitude and need (and, not coincidentally, was also the only one not drunk and/or baked), and was just looking for ways to have fun without getting the rest of the world sick.
(03-20-2020, 02:00 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2020, 12:53 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]I dont think the book on 'lowest risk profile' has been finished yet. As more people are tested, that demographic is showing larger totals. And its not all about waiting till June to visit grandma, its about potentially transmitting it tomorrow to a previously uninfected elderly cashier at the grocery or gas station.
The elderly person shouldn't be working as a CASHIER!!! They should be sequestered.
What age meets your "elderly" threshold and how do you believe they should be isolated?
Regarding elderly sequestering:
I've been limiting my trips to any store to at least 50% of what I might typically do.
However, I have encountered a number of employees at these places who are clearly well north of 60 years old handling cash and/or not taking outward precautions with their hands and face.
I realize that people are trying to make a paycheck as long as they can in case this thing gets really weird and extends well into summer. BUT - these folks need to be encouraged to protect themselves more aggressively IMO. That should start with their employers making them stay home - perhaps offering some assistance where possible.