(09-11-2021, 02:31 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2021, 02:04 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Those workers will have to leave the industry to find work. Their choice of course, but dumb IMO.
They can force them to fire them, win a lawsuit, and collect payments and do whatever they want for the rest of their life. They can also go work in private hospitals if they still have any in their area.
Per the CDC, federal government can't force vaccines or track vaccine status. Just don't offer the info and work in a state that protects freedom.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-nco...facts.html
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Lol, they can sue if they like, they will lose. All hospitals and health systems in our region have made inoculation a requirement for employment, both public and private, adding the Covid 19 vax to the list of vaccinations
required for employment. Florida protects freedom just fine, yet our regulations are lawful and enforceable because vaccination status has long been held up as essential to protect the healthcare workforce. I'd really be interested to know your occupation since you act like a lawyer, doctor, and pharmacist on here yet continually give such terrible advice. Like your CDC reference where it says "The Federal government does not mandate vaccination for people" and not "employees", because that's a stark difference. Do you actually do any of these things or are you just a hobbyist?
(09-11-2021, 04:33 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2021, 02:31 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Yea. More people getting unemployment! That’s what we need!
Can you get unemployment if you quit?
Not usually, there has to be a mitigating reason why you would be awarded unemployment in that case, and I doubt that refusing the vaccine will qualify.
You might be wrong about this one. There have already been 2 cases where someone who had Covid was granted protection from being fired because they didn't want to take the vaccine. So far that I know, Covid is the only disease that we are making people take the shot once they've been inoculated. This might change once we drop this herd immunity farce and the CDC acknowledges this will be more like the flu.
(09-11-2021, 04:33 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2021, 02:31 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Yea. More people getting unemployment! That’s what we need!
Can you get unemployment if you quit?
Have to be fired. Would be foolish for anyone to quit over this. Wait to be fired, then collect unemployment and file a lawsuit.
Considering all the issues Israel is having despite being one of the most vaccinated countries, this video didn't age very well.
https://twitter.com/AviHyman/status/1365...21473?s=20
They should allow those who've had COVID to get a certified antibody test which would preclude them from the vaccine.
At least. This is the single issue that has me hot about the rollout.
In return for laying off those who were sick, the CDC can recommend that we start vaccinating our pets. Big Pharma can make their money that way. Gonna name my next dog Booster.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/article...n_sectitle
FSG, been at it for a while. Can't find anything on immunity after a breakthrough case.
(09-11-2021, 09:51 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]FSG, been at it for a while. Can't find anything on immunity after a breakthrough case.
I've been drinking since...about 11am, so I ain't been done much either...
(09-11-2021, 07:43 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You might be wrong about this one. There have already been 2 cases where someone who had Covid was granted protection from being fired because they didn't want to take the vaccine. So far that I know, Covid is the only disease that we are making people take the shot once they've been inoculated. This might change once we drop this herd immunity farce and the CDC acknowledges this will be more like the flu.
As of 9/1/21 the EEOC has unequivocally declared that employers have the right to terminate those who will not comply. If some yocal judge has said otherwise then I suspect that judge will get overturned by the Circuit Court. The Feds, notoriously pro-workers rights, are in favor of the employer in this case; almost unheard of in the last 50 years.
(09-11-2021, 04:33 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2021, 02:31 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Yea. More people getting unemployment! That’s what we need!
Can you get unemployment if you quit?
(09-11-2021, 08:40 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2021, 04:33 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]Can you get unemployment if you quit?
Have to be fired. Would be foolish for anyone to quit over this. Wait to be fired, then collect unemployment and file a lawsuit.
Considering all the issues Israel is having despite being one of the most vaccinated countries, this video didn't age very well.
https://twitter.com/AviHyman/status/1365...21473?s=20
You can get unemployment if you state you are quitting because of this policy and it going against your beliefs. They legally can't deny a religious exemption if you say the right words but they again they are ignoring the constitution and all precedent.
It will depend on the state but better for them to fire you and put it in writing. They could still try to fight unemployment with you breaking their rules.
(09-11-2021, 11:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2021, 07:43 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You might be wrong about this one. There have already been 2 cases where someone who had Covid was granted protection from being fired because they didn't want to take the vaccine. So far that I know, Covid is the only disease that we are making people take the shot once they've been inoculated. This might change once we drop this herd immunity farce and the CDC acknowledges this will be more like the flu.
As of 9/1/21 the EEOC has unequivocally declared that employers have the right to terminate those who will not comply. If some yocal judge has said otherwise then I suspect that judge will get overturned by the Circuit Court. The Feds, notoriously pro-workers rights, are in favor of the employer in this case; almost unheard of in the last 50 years.
Declaring and writing rules are not laws. There are laws with respect to EUA drugs and until the EUA is removed or the approved drug is available in the US, there is no available, approved drug for anyone to take. There are state, federal, and international law all stating you cannot be forced or threatened into taking it.
There is also no amendment to the constitution granting the federal government the power to set vaccine mandates. That power then belongs to the states. The states have to be the ones to do it.
Having OSHA write a rule tries to get around the federal government setting the mandate but they will still lose. Their hope is companies do it anyways and fire everyone, which will crash the economy before their policies do it.
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(09-12-2021, 04:02 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (09-11-2021, 04:33 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]Can you get unemployment if you quit?
(09-11-2021, 08:40 PM)Jaguar Warrior Wrote: [ -> ]Have to be fired. Would be foolish for anyone to quit over this. Wait to be fired, then collect unemployment and file a lawsuit.
Considering all the issues Israel is having despite being one of the most vaccinated countries, this video didn't age very well.
https://twitter.com/AviHyman/status/1365...21473?s=20
You can get unemployment if you state you are quitting because of this policy and it going against your beliefs. They legally can't deny a religious exemption if you say the right words but they again they are ignoring the constitution and all precedent.
It will depend on the state but better for them to fire you and put it in writing. They could still try to fight unemployment with you breaking their rules.
(09-11-2021, 11:31 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]As of 9/1/21 the EEOC has unequivocally declared that employers have the right to terminate those who will not comply. If some yocal judge has said otherwise then I suspect that judge will get overturned by the Circuit Court. The Feds, notoriously pro-workers rights, are in favor of the employer in this case; almost unheard of in the last 50 years.
Declaring and writing rules are not laws. There are laws with respect to EUA drugs and until the EUA is removed or the approved drug is available in the US, there is no available, approved drug for anyone to take. There are state, federal, and international law all stating you cannot be forced or threatened into taking it.
There is also no amendment to the constitution granting the federal government the power to set vaccine mandates. That power then belongs to the states. The states have to be the ones to do it.
Having OSHA write a rule tries to get around the federal government setting the mandate but they will still lose. Their hope is companies do it anyways and fire everyone, which will crash the economy before their policies do it.
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There you go again. Your position was already reviewed and dismissed back in June in the Houston Methodist case, before FDA approval of any of the vaccines, with the federal judge declaring your petition on the EUA and experimentation both false and irrelevant. Precedent is set, but more frivolous lawsuits are sure to be filed, and just as sure to be tossed out. Try something else Counselor, that stategy failed.
BREAKING REPORT: Members of Congress and Their Staff Are Exempt From Biden's Vaccine Mandate...
PAYING ATTENTION YET?
(09-12-2021, 10:32 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]BREAKING REPORT: Members of Congress and Their Staff Are Exempt From Biden's Vaccine Mandate...
PAYING ATTENTION YET?
.... wow...
so is the post office!
Also, If I am not mistaken, I think that just before OSHA was tipped as the head of the spear, they also stopped requiring employers to collect safety data on the vaccines.
Pfizer wasn't even requiring vaccine mandates of their employees. They have said they are going to start, but, as of a week ago, official company policy still said it was optional.
Protect the vaccinated? What the literal [BLEEP]???
(09-13-2021, 11:54 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]Protect the vaccinated? What the literal [BLEEP]???
Jen Psaki just rolled her eyes and sighed heavily. That poor woman is burdened with trying to explain so much stupidity.
(09-13-2021, 12:07 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2021, 11:54 AM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]Protect the vaccinated? What the literal [BLEEP]???
Jen Psaki just rolled her eyes and sighed heavily. That poor woman is burdened with trying to explain so much stupidity.
She is just as guilty as the people she represents. Her soul is almost as black as her bosses.