(03-23-2020, 09:40 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2020, 09:12 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe... you lack chutzpah.
No one is trivializing it. We just refuse to panic over a 1% mortality rate.
1% of the US population is 3,300,000 people.
We aren't all going to get it, not anywhere close to all of us even.
(03-23-2020, 09:28 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: Screen-Shot-2020-03-23-at-9-26-42-AM.png]](https://i.postimg.cc/rpLmZG0X/Screen-Shot-2020-03-23-at-9-26-42-AM.png)
Here is the daily increase of cases confirmed in the United States:
Where is that sourced from?
For companies, like the airlines, that are cash strapped only because they spent all their cash on stock buybacks, they shouldn't get a direct payment from the government. They made a mistake with those stock buybacks and they have to undo it. Offering more stock now won't fully solve the problem because their stock price is very low already. Instead, the treasury should purchase a bunch of shares from the airline at slightly above market price, and start selling those shares after the crisis passes. This is similar to what the government did for AIG. The company gets money from the government, but with the equity stake, the government can make sure that the company behaves during the crisis.
(03-23-2020, 10:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2020, 09:40 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]1% of the US population is 3,300,000 people.
We aren't all going to get it, not anywhere close to all of us even.
(03-23-2020, 09:28 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Here is the daily increase of cases confirmed in the United States:
Where is that sourced from?
Can't say where that's from, but I've been using what I consider to be the best tracking model:
https://ncov2019.live/
Currently, we're 3rd in the world with total confirmed cases (35,581). I expect that we'll be leading Italy & China by the close of next week, especially with China tapering off. According to this model, we're seeing a 4.7% increase in daily cases (1,600+). This 15-day thing Trump has started to use - I doubt we'll be even close to being on the backside of the curve by that time. South Korea is only just now starting to see the downslope.
(03-23-2020, 10:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2020, 09:40 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]1% of the US population is 3,300,000 people.
We aren't all going to get it, not anywhere close to all of us even.
The Imperial College of London report estimated that 80% of us would get it if no one changed any behaviors.
(03-23-2020, 11:07 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2020, 10:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]We aren't all going to get it, not anywhere close to all of us even.
Where is that sourced from?
Can't say where that's from, but I've been using what I consider to be the best tracking model:
https://ncov2019.live/
Currently, we're 3rd in the world with total confirmed cases (35,581). I expect that we'll be leading Italy & China by the close of next week, especially with China tapering off. According to this model, we're seeing a 4.7% increase in daily cases (1,600+). This 15-day thing Trump has started to use - I doubt we'll be even close to being on the backside of the curve by that time. South Korea is only just now starting to see the downslope.
That graph is from the johns-hopkins site
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
(03-23-2020, 11:18 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2020, 10:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]We aren't all going to get it, not anywhere close to all of us even.
The Imperial College of London report estimated that 80% of us would get it if no one changed any behaviors.
Yeh... imperial college.... that's funny.
(03-23-2020, 11:18 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2020, 10:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]We aren't all going to get it, not anywhere close to all of us even.
The Imperial College of London report estimated that 80% of us would get it if no one changed any behaviors.
Great, that is what we call "irrelevant."
(03-23-2020, 11:19 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2020, 11:07 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]Can't say where that's from, but I've been using what I consider to be the best tracking model:
https://ncov2019.live/
Currently, we're 3rd in the world with total confirmed cases (35,581). I expect that we'll be leading Italy & China by the close of next week, especially with China tapering off. According to this model, we're seeing a 4.7% increase in daily cases (1,600+). This 15-day thing Trump has started to use - I doubt we'll be even close to being on the backside of the curve by that time. South Korea is only just now starting to see the downslope.
That graph is from the johns-hopkins site
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html
Thanks.
(03-23-2020, 11:07 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2020, 10:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]We aren't all going to get it, not anywhere close to all of us even.
Where is that sourced from?
Can't say where that's from, but I've been using what I consider to be the best tracking model:
https://ncov2019.live/
Currently, we're 3rd in the world with total confirmed cases (35,581). I expect that we'll be leading Italy & China by the close of next week, especially with China tapering off. According to this model, we're seeing a 4.7% increase in daily cases (1,600+). This 15-day thing Trump has started to use - I doubt we'll be even close to being on the backside of the curve by that time. South Korea is only just now starting to see the downslope.
Thank you as well.
Pelosi expected to try and include student loan forgiveness I. The house bill, in addition to demonstrate demands for increased union power, fuel emission standards for airlines and wind/solar tax credits.
I cant take these people.
China didn't taper off, they stopped reporting. With a new supply of testing kits coming online in the US, yes, we will surpass every country in confirmed cases probably 10-fold before the spring/summer downslope. All these trackers do very little to tell the whole story.
(03-23-2020, 11:57 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]China didn't taper off, they stopped reporting. With a new supply of testing kits coming online in the US, yes, we will surpass every country in confirmed cases probably 10-fold before the spring/summer downslope. All these trackers do very little to tell the whole story.
My suspicion of China led me to the same conclusion until I saw a comment from an American living in Wuhan which said that life was getting back to normal there. China can no longer hide their big problems and they know it.
(03-22-2020, 11:15 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think within a few weeks the economic pressure will become so great, the government will declare some sort of limited victory, and tell the young people to get back out there, while encouraging the old folks to stay isolated. Didn't Fauci the other day said it would be "a few weeks?"
Maybe it's evidence of me being a moderate, but I am starting to think the ultimate solution to the crisis will be a little of this and a little of that. Isolate the old folks, build the herd immunity among the younger and stronger people by letting them get sick, come up with some treatment options, and just sort of work our way through it.
Looks like I was right. Trump is already sending out tweets about this.
(03-23-2020, 12:01 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2020, 11:57 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]China didn't taper off, they stopped reporting. With a new supply of testing kits coming online in the US, yes, we will surpass every country in confirmed cases probably 10-fold before the spring/summer downslope. All these trackers do very little to tell the whole story.
My suspicion of China led me to the same conclusion until I saw a comment from an American living in Wuhan which said that life was getting back to normal there. China can no longer hide their big problems and they know it.
Understood but I'd take his comments lightly. China has and will isolate info from the rest of the world. Unless you are following government sentiment and reporting requirements, you are being asked to leave or placed in confinement, especially Western media. Not the same freedom of speech situation as here.
(03-23-2020, 10:43 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2020, 09:40 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]1% of the US population is 3,300,000 people.
We aren't all going to get it, not anywhere close to all of us even.
(03-23-2020, 09:28 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Here is the daily increase of cases confirmed in the United States:
Where is that sourced from?
I know we're not all going to get it. What NOBODY knows is how many of us will ultimately get it, which is why protective measures have to be taken very seriously.
(03-23-2020, 12:06 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2020, 11:15 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I think within a few weeks the economic pressure will become so great, the government will declare some sort of limited victory, and tell the young people to get back out there, while encouraging the old folks to stay isolated. Didn't Fauci the other day said it would be "a few weeks?"
Maybe it's evidence of me being a moderate, but I am starting to think the ultimate solution to the crisis will be a little of this and a little of that. Isolate the old folks, build the herd immunity among the younger and stronger people by letting them get sick, come up with some treatment options, and just sort of work our way through it.
Looks like I was right. Trump is already sending out tweets about this.
This is actually spot on in my opinion. To be honest, the isolation was really never about avoiding getting COVID-19 to begin with. It was a chance for medical facilities to regroup and get a grasp...flatten the curve. It does more harm than good for the larger population was "protecting" a minority population. The ladder can be disastrous!
(03-23-2020, 09:16 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]We've officially reached the point of too little too late from our federal government's preparedness in my opinion.
Hundreds of hospitals are re-using masks ( a grievous breach of protocol) - many are running out or about to run out of other critical protective equipment. Hot spots are unprepared for the projected numbers of ICU beds and ventilators. State Governors en masse are still saying they've gotten little to no assistance from the federal government regarding PPE and ventilator shortages.
The defense production act should have been put to use long ago, yet it still is being held idle. Enacting it is not enough.
I appreciate the notion of allowing the private sector to function and ramp up production w/o fed interference, but we have now reached a critical point where that supply chain is simply not enough and public health will suffer as a result.
All of this represents a failure to prepare for this pandemic's effect on the citizens of this country. The weeks spent downplaying the threat should have been spent altering production levels and shipment of critical supplies to the anticipated hot spots.
I have to disagree with you at this point, though honestly I don't know enough about it to make a firm decision. It is my understanding that the act gives the federal government the power to require companies to make the needs of the federal government when it comes to national defense a priority. So far it appears that private industry is already doing so.
IMuch of private industry is "re-tooling and/or re-configuring" production lines to provide needed supplies without the federal government compelling them to do so. As an example some automakers are setting up to produce parts, supplies or in some cases the end product (ventilators). Many distilleries are re-configuring to manufacture hand sanitizer, again without being directed to do so. It is also my understanding that there are also manufacturers that are re-configuring and/or ramping up production of masks.
In a nutshell the private industry is already doing the things that the act provides power to The President and/or the federal government.
Again, this is just my understanding. I could be wrong and if so please correct me.
(03-23-2020, 10:15 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2020, 09:58 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Corporate bailouts are a tricky animal. These corporations create so many jobs its sometimes easy to turn your head to their shady practices. There is no perfect solution, but putting irrelevant fat in these bills at THIS time is unacceptable.
If they want government money, they have to keep paying their workers. That's the bare minimum. Keep those people off the unemployment rolls.
That's pretty much what The President was saying during his press conference over the weekend. He wants the stimulus to help the average person, not fund stock buybacks. He actually said (paraphrasing) that he wants them to help the people, not their bottom line.
(03-23-2020, 11:56 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]Pelosi expected to try and include student loan forgiveness I. The house bill, in addition to demonstrate demands for increased union power, fuel emission standards for airlines and wind/solar tax credits.
I cant take these people.
Exactly. It sure looks like the democrats are trying to use this to push through funding for their socialist programs as well as try to hurt President Trump. It's pretty much "politics as usual" and quite frankly it's pretty sickening.
(03-23-2020, 11:39 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2020, 11:18 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]The Imperial College of London report estimated that 80% of us would get it if no one changed any behaviors.
Great, that is what we call "irrelevant."
According to the New York times, in an article published six days ago, this report from London is what got the White House's attention the most.
So you can think it's irrelevant, but they did not.
(03-23-2020, 03:18 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (03-23-2020, 11:39 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Great, that is what we call "irrelevant."
According to the New York times, in an article published six days ago, this report from London is what got the White House's attention the most.
So you can think it's irrelevant, but they did not.
Well, between me and them I'm pretty sure whose opinion is worth more.
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