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No wonder death rates for other diseases is down!

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/...62977?s=21

This is annoying. I appreciate transparency, but marking every death that way is going to skew the data... unless there is more to that clip where she explains herself. I don't understand what we are doing. Where are the antibody tests? I would pay out of pocket for one. I'm sure a lot of people would.

(04-07-2020, 11:18 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]This is annoying. I appreciate transparency, but marking every death that way is going to skew the data... unless there is more to that clip where she explains herself. I don't understand what we are doing. Where are the antibody tests? I would pay out of pocket for one. I'm sure a lot of people would.

Unfortunately, every death increases the power and influence of the state.  The state generally acts in it's own self interest.

For a moment, I just want to revisit the idea of "downplaying" this virus. Both sides of the aisle have put together clips of their political opponents misstating that the risk to the country was low or that this virus was akin to the seasonal flu. They both point fingers and point out potential motivations for the other side to have mislead the public to serve their own agenda. That's fine. That's politics, that's the game. The only problem with that is Anthony Faucci.

Hes the top infectious disease expert in the country. In late january he said the risk to the country was low. In late February he said this would be the flu. Is Pope Faucci a political hack just trying to advance an agenda? No. He just hot it wrong. That happens. He was basing those opinions on the information he had, the experience with SARS COV1, etc. Weve never seen a virus like th his. Generally theres an inverse correlation between lethality and level of contagion. By that I mean the easier it spreads the less deadly it is. In a lot of ways this virus (subject to the antibody tests ) defies those norms. So for me, prior to march 11th no one was DOWNPLAYING ANYTHING. People were using the best info thet had to inform their opinions and just got it wrong.

(04-08-2020, 01:34 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]For a moment, I just want to revisit the idea of "downplaying" this virus.  Both sides of the aisle have put together clips of their political opponents misstating that the risk to the country was low or that this virus was akin to the seasonal flu.  They both point fingers and point out potential motivations for the other side to have mislead the public to serve their own agenda.  That's fine. That's politics, that's the game.  The only problem with that is Anthony Faucci.  

Hes the top infectious disease expert in the country.  In late january he said the risk to the country was low.  In late February he said this would be the flu.  Is Pope Faucci a political hack just trying to advance an agenda?   No.  He just hot it wrong.  That happens.  He was basing those opinions on the information he had, the experience with SARS COV1, etc.  Weve never seen a virus like th his.  Generally theres an inverse correlation between lethality and level of contagion.  By that I mean the easier it spreads the less deadly it is.  In a lot of ways this virus (subject to the antibody tests ) defies those norms.  So for me, prior to march 11th no one was DOWNPLAYING ANYTHING.  People were using the best info thet had to inform their opinions and just got it wrong.

We're absolutely in uncharted territory with this thing on a multitude of levels.

(04-08-2020, 01:47 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-08-2020, 01:34 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]For a moment, I just want to revisit the idea of "downplaying" this virus.  Both sides of the aisle have put together clips of their political opponents misstating that the risk to the country was low or that this virus was akin to the seasonal flu.  They both point fingers and point out potential motivations for the other side to have mislead the public to serve their own agenda.  That's fine. That's politics, that's the game.  The only problem with that is Anthony Faucci.  

Hes the top infectious disease expert in the country.  In late january he said the risk to the country was low.  In late February he said this would be the flu.  Is Pope Faucci a political hack just trying to advance an agenda?   No.  He just hot it wrong.  That happens.  He was basing those opinions on the information he had, the experience with SARS COV1, etc.  Weve never seen a virus like th his.  Generally theres an inverse correlation between lethality and level of contagion.  By that I mean the easier it spreads the less deadly it is.  In a lot of ways this virus (subject to the antibody tests ) defies those norms.  So for me, prior to march 11th no one was DOWNPLAYING ANYTHING.  People were using the best info thet had to inform their opinions and just got it wrong.

We're absolutely in uncharted territory with this thing on a multitude of levels.

Unchartered levels including our MSM being a domestic leg of the Chinese propaganda machine. You can literally hear the glee of reporting the lie of "no new cases in Wuhan" while people continue to die here.

New IHME model shows an accelerated peak now at April 11th with ~60,400 totals deaths. That's 30,000 fewer deaths projected over the last few days. The daily death peak projection is now down 35% to 2,212 expected in 4 days. Good news as the numbers continue to decline.

(04-08-2020, 07:35 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-08-2020, 01:47 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]We're absolutely in uncharted territory with this thing on a multitude of levels.

Unchartered levels including our MSM being a domestic leg of the Chinese propaganda machine. You can literally hear the glee of reporting the lie of "no new cases in Wuhan" while people continue to die here.

I don't think anyone really trusts the numbers.

However it does look worse in the US than anywhere else right now. Or do you want them to lie about that? I think actually you would be quite happy living in Chinese like conditions if Trump was in charge.

(04-08-2020, 08:23 AM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-08-2020, 07:35 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Unchartered levels including our MSM being a domestic leg of the Chinese propaganda machine. You can literally hear the glee of reporting the lie of "no new cases in Wuhan" while people continue to die here.

I don't think anyone really trusts the numbers.

However it does look worse in the US than anywhere else right now. Or do you want them to lie about that? I think actually you would be quite happy living in Chinese like conditions if Trump was in charge.

I don't want my media to be a cheerleader for the country that caused all of this. I don't feel like this is asking a lot, but it is. The ironic thing is, the media couldn't do what they do if they were in the place they seem to love so much.

Also, the numbers are crap. If you go into the hospital for chest pains and die of a heart attack and happened to have COVID-19, guess what you died of? The media creates cynics. Question EVERYTHING.

(04-08-2020, 01:47 AM)Sneakers Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-08-2020, 01:34 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]For a moment, I just want to revisit the idea of "downplaying" this virus.  Both sides of the aisle have put together clips of their political opponents misstating that the risk to the country was low or that this virus was akin to the seasonal flu.  They both point fingers and point out potential motivations for the other side to have mislead the public to serve their own agenda.  That's fine. That's politics, that's the game.  The only problem with that is Anthony Faucci.  

Hes the top infectious disease expert in the country.  In late january he said the risk to the country was low.  In late February he said this would be the flu.  Is Pope Faucci a political hack just trying to advance an agenda?   No.  He just hot it wrong.  That happens.  He was basing those opinions on the information he had, the experience with SARS COV1, etc.  Weve never seen a virus like th his.  Generally theres an inverse correlation between lethality and level of contagion.  By that I mean the easier it spreads the less deadly it is.  In a lot of ways this virus (subject to the antibody tests ) defies those norms.  So for me, prior to march 11th no one was DOWNPLAYING ANYTHING.  People were using the best info thet had to inform their opinions and just got it wrong.

We're absolutely in uncharted territory with this thing on a multitude of levels.

How so exactly?

(04-08-2020, 08:23 AM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-08-2020, 07:35 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Unchartered levels including our MSM being a domestic leg of the Chinese propaganda machine. You can literally hear the glee of reporting the lie of "no new cases in Wuhan" while people continue to die here.

I don't think anyone really trusts the numbers.

However it does look worse in the US than anywhere else right now. Or do you want them to lie about that? I think actually you would be quite happy living in Chinese like conditions if Trump was in charge.

Your first sentence was enough. There is a difference between Dying FROM COVID-19 and dying from another issue WITH COVID-19. There is some over inflation involved.

(04-08-2020, 09:17 AM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-08-2020, 08:23 AM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think anyone really trusts the numbers.

However it does look worse in the US than anywhere else right now. Or do you want them to lie about that? I think actually you would be quite happy living in Chinese like conditions if Trump was in charge.

Your first sentence was enough. There is a difference between Dying FROM COVID-19 and dying from another issue WITH COVID-19. There is some over inflation involved.

Both the numerator and the denominator are severely overstating in the calculations.

(04-07-2020, 04:39 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2020, 04:34 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]One thing to ponder is the financial incentive to count deaths as COVID-19 related.  If all hospital expenses are covered for CV19 patients, there may be pressure on hospital officials (and family members of the deceased) to categorize more deaths as CV19 related.

Where has this been published?

It was covered in some of the daily briefings.  2 of the largest insurers announced it first and then the largest (Blue Cross Blue Shield) a few days later.

Ezekiel Emmanuel is firmly on the lockdown to vaccine train.

(04-08-2020, 09:59 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2020, 04:39 PM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]Where has this been published?

It was covered in some of the daily briefings.  2 of the largest insurers announced it first and then the largest (Blue Cross Blue Shield) a few days later.

I just want to make sure I understand what you've asserted: 100% of hospital-treated COVID-19 patient expenses are covered by outside insurers. Do I have that right?

(04-08-2020, 10:50 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-08-2020, 09:59 AM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]It was covered in some of the daily briefings.  2 of the largest insurers announced it first and then the largest (Blue Cross Blue Shield) a few days later.

I just want to make sure I understand what you've asserted: 100% of hospital-treated COVID-19 patient expenses are covered by outside insurers. Do I have that right?

I don't have documentation to substantiate that claim. I can tell you that the majority of insurance companies I'm dealing with (including CMS) are making exceptions for screening and treatment for COVID-19 that remove most of the patient's out of pocket expense. It does not and would not surprise me if a lot of COVID diagnoses get tacked on for the financial benefit of the patient or physician, especially when we're being told straight out to do whatever is necessary to end this PHE.

(04-08-2020, 12:49 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-07-2020, 11:18 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]This is annoying. I appreciate transparency, but marking every death that way is going to skew the data... unless there is more to that clip where she explains herself. I don't understand what we are doing. Where are the antibody tests? I would pay out of pocket for one. I'm sure a lot of people would.

Unfortunately, every death increases the power and influence of the state.  The state generally acts in it's own self interest.

Its funny how people on the left have trouble grasping this concept. I explained it to my democrat step father and he, of course, thinks thats ridiculous. Its incredible the amount of faith people have in the government, even when they think that half the politicians are incompetent.

(04-07-2020, 11:18 PM)Last42min Wrote: [ -> ]This is annoying. I appreciate transparency, but marking every death that way is going to skew the data... unless there is more to that clip where she explains herself. I don't understand what we are doing. Where are the antibody tests? I would pay out of pocket for one. I'm sure a lot of people would.

But it was always understood that it would be measured that way.  We heard from the beginning, this disease, like any other, is especially deadly for people with preexisting conditions.  What did you think that meant?  Do you think that if someone has diabetes, and gets Covid-19 and dies, that should be counted as a death from diabetes?  They measure flu deaths the same way.  The flu is deadly for people with preexisting conditions.  Exact same thing.  If someone with diabetes gets the flu and dies, then they died of the flu.  

Why all this obsession with lowering the count?  They count this the same way they count everything else.

(04-07-2020, 11:11 PM)B2hibry Wrote: [ -> ]No wonder death rates for other diseases is down!

https://twitter.com/greg_price11/status/...62977?s=21

Until the last sentence I was completely with her. She was explaining it as 'if a death was caused by a complication of COVID, it counts as COVID' but what she actually said in her last sentance is 'if you die with COVID we count that as a COVID death.' I want to believe based on the long explanation that she really meant to say the former, but I can't deny that she actually said the later.