(07-06-2020, 02:19 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (07-06-2020, 09:48 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I acknowledged it by refuting it with fact. No, you clearly didn't "get it." Which is why I keep insulting your intelligence.
Orange, Seminole, Brevard and Volusia counties all reported contact tracing that led directly to bars and restaurants from their positive testing. DeSantis has since had the FLDOH remove that information from their website.
https://www.clickorlando.com/news/local/...uidelines/
So - you just don't give a [BLEEP] that this ^ method will kill a few hundred thousand more people than social distancing would?
The WHO recently said it was rare for asymptomatic carriers to infect others. This would definitely reduce the impact of the spread during protests, but it would also negate many of the social distancing and mask requirements. I don't think it's true, or, at the very least, they were careless in how they presented that data to the public.
I really think our experts have done a piss poor job of systematically categorizing this illness and how it affects other. For the life of me, I can't understand why they have not made distinctions in deaths, such as died from Covid (where this was the primary cause of death) and died with Covid (where it caused possible complications to other life-threatening illness). If possible, it'd be nice to see how many of these people were likely to die anyways. Additionally, I'd like speculative deaths to be listed separately (where one is suspected to have died from Covid, but was never tested).
I think that could be true and believe there is definitely merit to the news about "superspreaders" of this illness that is out there. There are articles including this one below that talk about them and how one person can affect several people:
https://theconversation.com/a-few-supers...ses-139950
Researchers in Hong Kong said according to their studies they believed only 20% of people affected with COVID-19 were responsible for 80% of their transmissions. And that people who had larger social circles were more likely to infect more people. Which makes sense. I could see more social people, especially those with symptoms infecting people. And speaking of people with symptoms, I do believe that symptomatic people, (even if it's just people with milder symptoms) are infecting more people than what many people in the media are leading us to believe.
And I think that are a lot of people out there who are brushing aside that they are around people who are displaying milder symptoms like some coughing/sneezing. I'll use my own workplace as an example. I been around several people at work including co-workers, the past couple of months who have been sneezing/coughing. Some of them say it's allergies or affects of the masks. And it very well could be in a lot of cases. But maybe for at least a few it could be symptoms of the coronavirus. I don't know. But I have noticed that hardly anyone seems to worry about that, even when you have some people that cough/sneeze quite a bit in a day, (though, maybe not as much as someone with a severe case of the virus).
If I tested or someone at work tested positive for coronavirus, I could list several different people who could have technically been displaying milder symptoms (Coughing/sneezing) that could have led to that. Classifying it as something that happened as a result of asymptomatic transmission would be the last thing I would do. Heck, for people that don't still with a lot of people in the public, the next time you go out to a place like a department or a grocery store, just observe how many people cough/sneeze in public on a regular basis. It can be quite a few people that do that. And a lot of people still aren't thinking twice about that. One reason is because some people don't want to live in too much fear, which I understand, or maybe they think a lot of those people that are coughing/sneezing are just having natural reactions and may not neccesarily have COVID-19. And maybe some of them don't. I don't know. But technically they are shedding bodily fluids.
I've been a bit suspicious of get go about the level of blame that people, especially the media wants to put on asymptomatic
people, particularly younger asymptomatic people. The people accusing a lot of younger people of wanting to kill their grandmothers/taking home diseases to their grandmothers doesn't set well with me. Most young people are not trying to kill an elderly relative and many of them don't even live with their grandparents and have kept some distance since this crisis has worsened. And some of them don't even have living grandparents. I didn't have living grandparents in my 20's or even teens. Most of them passed away before I was born. I believe there are more Gen Xers living with elderly people than their are milennials/Z babies. If only because Gen Xers are more likely to be caregivers to aging parents. Yet I see a lot of people including Gen Xers claiming younger people are taking things home to grandma, and I don't think that is the case with a lot of them. As we've seen a lot of the deaths of the elderly were due to being around other elderly (and sicker) people in places like nursing homes. Yet, there are many including those in the media who are resentful towards young people and love to blame them for just about everything including this illness. Even though there is still a lot of things that people aren't fully clear on.
I do think that people that are displaying symptoms even milder ones could be more likely to spread this disease than people that aren't displaying any symptoms. If only because a person not displaying symptoms may be less likely to transmit bodily fluids. A person that sneezes/coughs multiple times around other people, is more likely to spread it than an person who isn't doing that, or showing other symptoms. Granted a lot of people are saying people can transmit it through spit (or sweat), but just how strong is the likelihood of that,. And I think we might have even a lot more people being affected if that was really a major way to spread it. Especially given how much people (unintentionally) spit on people all of the time. I experience spittle every day at work as does a lot of people in their daily lives. I do wonder just how much this disease is infecting people in that way.
That's not to say asymptomatic people can't spread it, but I do think that too much blame may being placed on asymptomatic people.
Also, I think that one reason a lot people (especially in the media) isn't distinguishing the deaths, largely because they want to create more fear mongering. They seem to like people being scared, as evidenced by the coronavirus death total chart that CNN displays every single day continuously on their channel. There are definitely reasons to be concerned about this disease, but a lot of the media likes to drum up the fear even more, especially the ones that seems to have agendas.