(03-20-2025, 08:37 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2025, 10:01 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]If there really was almost no reported flu cases in 2020 and 2021, then my stance that social distancing caused that is asinine?
What would be a less asinine stance?
1. I do think the numbers are inaccurate, we likely had more flu cases than that in those years. Testing, distancing, and shutting down society all impacted our ability to collect accurate information.
2. Applying transmission precautions, even in the faulty manner we did so, likely reduced the total number of flu cases because flu less hardy and far less contagious than Covid.
3. The Omicron variant was proven to be airborne, so some of the precautions were effective for it that were not for the others.
4. 6 feet of social distancing is the standard precaution for viral contagions, that a big deal was made about it for Covid ignores that it was already a part of the standard protocols before Covid was a thing.
These things and those numbers don't point to some huge conspiracy, it's another case of people looking for what they already believe.
(03-19-2025, 10:52 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]How about the 32 million cases of COVID... Covid is not air born so.... if 6 foot spacing worked, there wouldn't have been 32 million cases.........
Some variants are airborne. Precautions work when applied correctly, but few I know outside a hospital (and many inside them) apply them correctly. The things we did were rudimentary attempts at a complex process intended to do the best we could for the mass of humanity. Even so, I bet everyone on here knows at least one person who died from Covid, even while many decry the attempts to prevent that.
Sounds like your stance is "asinine" too.
(03-20-2025, 09:35 AM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2025, 08:37 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]1. I do think the numbers are inaccurate, we likely had more flu cases than that in those years. Testing, distancing, and shutting down society all impacted our ability to collect accurate information.
2. Applying transmission precautions, even in the faulty manner we did so, likely reduced the total number of flu cases because flu less hardy and far less contagious than Covid.
3. The Omicron variant was proven to be airborne, so some of the precautions were effective for it that were not for the others.
4. 6 feet of social distancing is the standard precaution for viral contagions, that a big deal was made about it for Covid ignores that it was already a part of the standard protocols before Covid was a thing.
These things and those numbers don't point to some huge conspiracy, it's another case of people looking for what they already believe.
Some variants are airborne. Precautions work when applied correctly, but few I know outside a hospital (and many inside them) apply them correctly. The things we did were rudimentary attempts at a complex process intended to do the best we could for the mass of humanity. Even so, I bet everyone on here knows at least one person who died from Covid, even while many decry the attempts to prevent that.
Sounds like your stance is "asinine" too.
That's actually a step up from the "murderer" label they were using last year.
To be fair, I never called you a murderer. I called you a bunch of other things, but never a murderer.
(03-20-2025, 10:51 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]To be fair, I never called you a murderer. I called you a bunch of other things, but never a murderer.
I didn't include you in the "they", you were engaging in honest discussion seeking answers, as was I.
I have absolutely NO FAITH in medical science now. The truth be told, BIG PHARMA and Dr's mislead and outright lie to patients. Big Pharma's Motto: "A Patient cured is a customer lost"
Rock Star Recounts Horror That Started After COVID Vax and Ended up Ruining Her Life
Former Pussycat Doll Jessica Sutta said her life hasn’t been the same since she was injured from a COVID-19 vaccine.
Sutta said she first experienced side effects days after her second dose of the Moderna shot, which she took in December 2021, the U.K.’s Daily Mail reported.
“I woke up with a muscle spasm in my right rib that just would not get out,” Sutta, 42, told the Daily Mail. “It felt like a knife inside was burning. It wrapped around my rib cage and up and down my spine, and it felt like I was on the brink of death.”
https://www.westernjournal.com/rock-star...ining-life
(03-31-2025, 11:35 AM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]I have absolutely NO FAITH in medical science now. The truth be told, BIG PHARMA and Dr's mislead and outright lie to patients. Big Pharma's Motto: "A Patient cured is a customer lost"
Rock Star Recounts Horror That Started After COVID Vax and Ended up Ruining Her Life
Former Pussycat Doll Jessica Sutta said her life hasn’t been the same since she was injured from a COVID-19 vaccine.
Sutta said she first experienced side effects days after her second dose of the Moderna shot, which she took in December 2021, the U.K.’s Daily Mail reported.
“I woke up with a muscle spasm in my right rib that just would not get out,” Sutta, 42, told the Daily Mail. “It felt like a knife inside was burning. It wrapped around my rib cage and up and down my spine, and it felt like I was on the brink of death.”
https://www.westernjournal.com/rock-star...ining-life
I'm sorry for her condition, but her experience is exactly how Lupus presents and has done so for decades. To blame it on exclusively on a vaccine is logically fallacious since there are several other systemic and drug-induced causes of the disease. Especially difficult for people reading the article is the way some writers like the one here provide links to organizations of high reputation (Mayo Clinic in this case) that appear to support the conclusion but in fact do not.
And I had cancer. "Big Pharma" created the drugs that cured me that were prescribed and monitored by a group of around 10 physicians. I guess they all [BLEEP] up on that one, huh?
When you look around at the state of your hospital, would you say 100 percent of your decisions are based solely on the best interest of your patient?
(04-01-2025, 01:48 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]When you look around at the state of your hospital, would you say 100 percent of your decisions are based solely on the best interest of your patient?
Of course not, the patients are the purpose but the mission is the community. Decisions about a million other things indirectly affect that mission including decisions about any one individual patient. You know that, so why the gotcha question?
It's not a "gotcha" question. It's a reality check. If you look around your hospital, the single place where you have the most influence, you should be able to see how many decisions are driven by profit. I'm not suggesting you don't care about the patient. I know you do. I am simply saying if it's that way at the most local level, imagine how much worse it is at the most detached, profit-driven and bureaucratic institutions. It's not hard to flesh out why people are skeptical of big pharma. They charge us more and have a huge sway over all our policy decisions.
(04-05-2025, 01:44 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]It's not a "gotcha" question. It's a reality check. If you look around your hospital, the single place where you have the most influence, you should be able to see how many decisions are driven by profit. I'm not suggesting you don't care about the patient. I know you do. I am simply saying if it's that way at the most local level, imagine how much worse it is at the most detached, profit-driven and bureaucratic institutions. It's not hard to flesh out why people are skeptical of big pharma. They charge us more and have a huge sway over all our policy decisions.
Ok, so never trust your doctor? Never take a med created and sold by "Big Pharma"? Never have surgery if you need it? What's the end game here? It's just silly these people say stuff they absolutely don't mean. It's like leftie virtue signaling for righties.
(04-06-2025, 12:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2025, 01:44 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]It's not a "gotcha" question. It's a reality check. If you look around your hospital, the single place where you have the most influence, you should be able to see how many decisions are driven by profit. I'm not suggesting you don't care about the patient. I know you do. I am simply saying if it's that way at the most local level, imagine how much worse it is at the most detached, profit-driven and bureaucratic institutions. It's not hard to flesh out why people are skeptical of big pharma. They charge us more and have a huge sway over all our policy decisions.
Ok, so never trust your doctor? Never take a med created and sold by "Big Pharma"? Never have surgery if you need it? What's the end game here? It's just silly these people say stuff they absolutely don't mean. It's like leftie virtue signaling for righties.
There is nothing wrong with most likely 95% +/- of the doctors and medical institutions.
People fear the unknown. Covid magnified these fears. The government did not help things at all the way they handled the vaccine. They actually made it far worse. Now we have to deal with the impact. The pharma companies were given a held harmless for side effects for a reason. Without this there was no way they would produce the vaccine. They told the government they could only catch 85-90% of the side effects with only 8 weeks of testing. I know there were as the pandemic went on and will continue to be new versions of the vaccine. Problem is the government claimed it was all safe and forced people to take it using various unrealistic claims. To make it worse they vilified anyone who would not agree and suppressed all other info. Now, had they been honest with the public who knows, it would however be refreshing.
(04-06-2025, 12:55 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2025, 12:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, so never trust your doctor? Never take a med created and sold by "Big Pharma"? Never have surgery if you need it? What's the end game here? It's just silly these people say stuff they absolutely don't mean. It's like leftie virtue signaling for righties.
There is nothing wrong with most likely 95% +/- of the doctors and medical institutions.
People fear the unknown. Covid magnified these fears. The government did not help things at all the way they handled the vaccine. They actually made it far worse. Now we have to deal with the impact. The pharma companies were given a held harmless for side effects for a reason. Without this there was no way they would produce the vaccine. They told the government they could only catch 85-90% of the side effects with only 8 weeks of testing. I know there were as the pandemic went on and will continue to be new versions of the vaccine. Problem is the government claimed it was all safe and forced people to take it using various unrealistic claims. To make it worse they vilified anyone who would not agree and suppressed all other info. Now, had they been honest with the public who knows, it would however be refreshing.
It really doesn't matter who was in charge or what they did with regard to the vaccine.
The other side would have amplified voices saying that they were doing something wrong.
And you would have stayed on your side, and believed whatever your side was feeding you.
That may hurt to hear, so if it's not true prove me wrong. With regard to the pandemic, tell me something that Biden did right, and then something Trump did wrong. Can you?
(04-06-2025, 01:32 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2025, 12:55 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]There is nothing wrong with most likely 95% +/- of the doctors and medical institutions.
People fear the unknown. Covid magnified these fears. The government did not help things at all the way they handled the vaccine. They actually made it far worse. Now we have to deal with the impact. The pharma companies were given a held harmless for side effects for a reason. Without this there was no way they would produce the vaccine. They told the government they could only catch 85-90% of the side effects with only 8 weeks of testing. I know there were as the pandemic went on and will continue to be new versions of the vaccine. Problem is the government claimed it was all safe and forced people to take it using various unrealistic claims. To make it worse they vilified anyone who would not agree and suppressed all other info. Now, had they been honest with the public who knows, it would however be refreshing.
It really doesn't matter who was in charge or what they did with regard to the vaccine.
The other side would have amplified voices saying that they were doing something wrong.
And you would have stayed on your side, and believed whatever your side was feeding you.
That may hurt to hear, so if it's not true prove me wrong. With regard to the pandemic, tell me something that Biden did right, and then something Trump did wrong. Can you?
First the italics are your opinion and I am fine with that. Especially, since I know you draw absolute conclusions based on no information.
As for the bold portion I did not make my reply political in any way. Blame was not implied, why do you have to? At that time it is quite possible the bureaucrats were guiding these decisions base on their own agenda. (a topic for another time)
The pandemic began under Trump and carried through Biden. Both Presidents made decisions based on the information presented to them. (Crappy info crappy decision.) Unless you were there you have no idea either by the way. (unless you are now claiming clairvoyance as an ability) There is a possibility with Biden he made no decision at all, he just rubber stamped it or the auto pen made it. That is not proven, but there is a chance as it more on the coverup comes to light.
I never got "The Jab".......
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haven't you ever wondered why Leggings/Yoga pants were invented???? One of these women just might have come up with the concept
(04-06-2025, 04:30 PM)The Drifter Wrote: [ -> ]I never got "The Jab".......
haven't you ever wondered why Leggings/Yoga pants were invented???? One of these women just might have come up with the concept
Exactly the nonsense virtue signaling I was referencing.
(04-06-2025, 12:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (04-05-2025, 01:44 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]It's not a "gotcha" question. It's a reality check. If you look around your hospital, the single place where you have the most influence, you should be able to see how many decisions are driven by profit. I'm not suggesting you don't care about the patient. I know you do. I am simply saying if it's that way at the most local level, imagine how much worse it is at the most detached, profit-driven and bureaucratic institutions. It's not hard to flesh out why people are skeptical of big pharma. They charge us more and have a huge sway over all our policy decisions.
Ok, so never trust your doctor? Never take a med created and sold by "Big Pharma"? Never have surgery if you need it? What's the end game here? It's just silly these people say stuff they absolutely don't mean. It's like leftie virtue signaling for righties.
How did you muster that response from my post? The whole point is that there is a LEVEL of mistrust that comes directly from the corruption of our institutions.
(04-07-2025, 12:03 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2025, 12:01 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Ok, so never trust your doctor? Never take a med created and sold by "Big Pharma"? Never have surgery if you need it? What's the end game here? It's just silly these people say stuff they absolutely don't mean. It's like leftie virtue signaling for righties.
How did you muster that response from my post? The whole point is that there is a LEVEL of mistrust that comes directly from the corruption of our institutions.
Because you and I are discussing the responses I am criticizing. The whole point is that they are so far past what you just said that they now congregate by a new virtue signal and it's got some really familiar resemblance to how the left acts. It's histrionics driving out rational thought.
I mean, that's par for the course in today's political discourse. Not justifying it. That said, MOST of these people are still largely following the science.. not by their words, but by their actions. They still go to their doctor and take their meds largely. I'm ok if the scrutiny gets turned up a bit on big pharma. I think the right has gained a significant share of health nuts, but, again, that stems largely from being lied to. We have to focus on cleaning up the top before the bottom goes away.
Fauci Hit with Criminal Referrals in 7 States Over ‘Vaccine’ Deaths
Dr. Anthony Fauci has been hit with criminal referrals from seven U.S. states over deaths and injuries caused by Covid “vaccines” and other pandemic-related charges.
This week, legal groups filed formal criminal referral requests to the attorneys general of Arizona and Pennsylvania.
The referrals were submitted by the Vires Law Group and the Former Feds Group Freedom Foundation.
The groups are urging state prosecutors to open criminal investigations into Fauci and other prominent public health and government officials.
Fauci, the former director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), is accused of committing multiple crimes during and after the pandemic.
https://slaynews.com/news/fauci-hit-crim...sfduJYgqPA