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(04-09-2021, 03:04 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-09-2021, 01:20 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]This is the big risk that most people who looked at the information are worried about. They don't stop you from getting covid and when your body does get it, it goes into overdrive and actually harms itself. 

They as in the vaccines? What?

They do stop you from getting the sick with a >94% efficacy rating. There's a period of time after the shot where you are still susceptible until you build up to "full" immunity. The data is still out on how long the immunity will last, some folks with natural immunity still have the anti-bodies more than 6 months out and we don't don't know yet if it will be perpetual.

(04-09-2021, 03:04 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-09-2021, 01:20 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]This is the big risk that most people who looked at the information are worried about. They don't stop you from getting covid and when your body does get it, it goes into overdrive and actually harms itself. 

They as in the vaccines? What?

Yes the vaccine.

(04-09-2021, 03:24 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-09-2021, 03:04 PM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]They as in the vaccines? What?

They do stop you from getting the sick with a >94% efficacy rating. There's a period of time after the shot where you are still susceptible until you build up to "full" immunity. The data is still out on how long the immunity will last, some folks with natural immunity still have the anti-bodies more than 6 months out and we don't don't know yet if it will be perpetual.

It doesn't stop anything but is supposed to tell your body how to fight it, similar to how your immune system will naturally do it. The main threat is it sending your body into overdrive where it wouldn't happen naturally when you are finally exposed to covid or to a variant.

(04-09-2021, 03:34 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-09-2021, 03:24 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]They do stop you from getting the sick with a >94% efficacy rating. There's a period of time after the shot where you are still susceptible until you build up to "full" immunity. The data is still out on how long the immunity will last, some folks with natural immunity still have the anti-bodies more than 6 months out and we don't don't know yet if it will be perpetual.

It doesn't stop anything but is supposed to tell your body how to fight it, similar to how your immune system will naturally do it. The main threat is it sending your body into overdrive where it wouldn't happen naturally when you are finally exposed to covid or to a variant.

Source?

(04-09-2021, 02:32 PM)Bchbunnie4 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-09-2021, 01:02 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]I tested positive on March 25th.

Second positive in 3 months.

Got pretty sick this time.  At this point I just have an annoying little dry cough that won't go away and a little unease of equilibrium that's probably from the cough medicine.

Can't get the vaccine for 90 days now.

Shouldn’t you still have antibodies at three months out? What were your symptoms the first go round?

Same symptoms. Less severe the first time around. 

Possible that I was a false positive that first time. It was a free rapid test. Second time I got both the rapid and the 3 day test. (both positive)

(04-09-2021, 12:32 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-08-2021, 07:39 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]That's a fair point. I know several people who have had adverse side affects from Covid. I've even read that the vaccine may cure some of these psychological conditions. I'm just not convinced you aren't going to see something similar with the vaccine down the road. If and when it does happen, big pharma is going to be much less forthright about the cause and effect relationship.

If it is indeed true that Covid is causing these psychological and neurological disorders, it doesn't follow from that that the vaccine would also cause those psychological and neurological disorders.  Mainly because the vaccine does not give you Covid.  The vaccine side-effects we see are not sickness; those side effects are from your immune system reacting (properly) to the vaccine.

To clarify, when I said something similar, I was just referring to the chance the vaccine unintentionally creates unknown side effects.

(04-09-2021, 12:38 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-08-2021, 07:49 PM)mikesez Wrote: [ -> ]I just got the J&J vaccine at the FEMA site down here.  
Super efficient, army and national guard were helping the county health department.
I haven't seen that much deployed military in person since Hurricane Charley.  Reinforces that this whole thing really has been a slow motion emergency.

Umm, that’s a pet adoption event. 

Look on the bright side, at least you won’t get parvo.

Try the fish! And please, tip your waiter or waitress!

(04-09-2021, 04:05 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-09-2021, 03:34 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]It doesn't stop anything but is supposed to tell your body how to fight it, similar to how your immune system will naturally do it. The main threat is it sending your body into overdrive where it wouldn't happen naturally when you are finally exposed to covid or to a variant.

Source?

University of Facebook?

(04-10-2021, 05:11 AM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-09-2021, 04:05 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Source?

University of Facebook?

Truly, he's posted about a half dozen statements of fact in this thread that don't square with reality.

(04-09-2021, 01:20 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-09-2021, 12:32 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]If it is indeed true that Covid is causing these psychological and neurological disorders, it doesn't follow from that that the vaccine would also cause those psychological and neurological disorders.  Mainly because the vaccine does not give you Covid.  The vaccine side-effects we see are not sickness; those side effects are from your immune system reacting (properly) to the vaccine.

This is the big risk that most people who looked at the information are worried about. They don't stop you from getting covid and when your body does get it, it goes into overdrive and actually harms itself. By the time you look to get help, it is too late. I've seen some people say the treatment to stop it is the same for stopping covid severity. If you vitamin D levels are around 50, they say your body can't enter the phase that harms you, cryok... some name like that, so it stops the potential impact. The main issue is people in the central and north USA are always running a low vitamin D level because they can't get enough sun and now being locked inside makes it impossible.

So basically say take vitamin D and ivermectin(sp?) to do what the vaccine is supposed to do without any of the side effects.

On the ivermectin, it is widely used throughout the world and approved in the US. It also has been studied against corona viruses but not really in the US. It is an off label treatment that kills the virus. Here is the big kicker why none of these treatments will ever be approved in the US, there are some regulations that they can't approve the vaccine if there are therapies that work. It has to go through the full testing at that point. I know a lot of people that are getting the vaccine, not locally, but in other states. Thankfully most of them were fine but they all had some levels of side effects. Most were mild but some were out sick for days.


Next step will be companies trying to require it. I don't see how they will legally will do it with an experimental vaccine that is against international law. Israel is already in trouble with that. They may be able to say you have to have it in order to work in the office but I doubt they can say you then have to work in the office.

Lot of misinformation in that post my man. The effect you're talking about with regards to covid is called the "cytokine storm". It's the body essentially going into over drive in an effort to drive out the virus and it can cause organ failure.

How COVID-19 induces cytokine storm with high mortality.

The various vaccines have been administered to millions of people worldwide so far. While legally still defined as "experimental" in the US, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines specifically have been given frequently enough that people receiving it don't really qualify as test subjects. While you can't rule out risk entirely (there's risk associated with getting out of bed in the morning) the vaccines have been shown to be safe.

There are plenty of anecdotal stories about off label uses of various drugs to treat Covid-19. There is no scientific backing for any of those claims. As far as the statement about Vitamin D is concerned, there's speculation that people with Vitamin D deficiencies may be more susceptible to the severe form of Covid-19. The jury's still out.

Can vitamin D protect against the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)?

Tony will never give up his control.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/fauci-dont...ng-vaccine

(04-12-2021, 04:40 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]Tony will never give up his control.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/fauci-dont...ng-vaccine

That guy needs to go off himself..

I loathe that man.

(04-10-2021, 01:02 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

This dude already proved himself untrustworthy to the public. Replace him.

(04-09-2021, 04:05 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-09-2021, 03:34 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]It doesn't stop anything but is supposed to tell your body how to fight it, similar to how your immune system will naturally do it. The main threat is it sending your body into overdrive where it wouldn't happen naturally when you are finally exposed to covid or to a variant.

Source?

(04-10-2021, 05:11 AM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-09-2021, 04:05 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Source?

University of Facebook?

(04-10-2021, 07:32 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-10-2021, 05:11 AM)Senor Fantastico Wrote: [ -> ]University of Facebook?

Truly, he's posted about a half dozen statements of fact in this thread that don't square with reality.

The vaccine doesn't contain the virus at all. Normally a vaccine contains the dead virus but you have to be able to reproduce the virus, i.e. costly. The mRNA is synthetic, not natural, and easier to reproduce. It doesn't stop anything from going into your cells. It takes the new instructions into your cells and tells your cells to produce these proteins when they see the virus.

Now if it stops you from getting it, why do you still need to wear a mask? It doesn't stop it, you get it and your body is supposed to kill it off. Now asymptomatic transmission has been basically shot down by more studies so if the vaccine works, you don't need the mask. They are still saying you can spread it at any point.

As far as the vaccine potentially harming you, there is a lot of studies in animals that basically ended the mRNA studies for SARS. The animals they studied for the most part were OK until they were exposed in a few months time. Organ failure from their bodies attacking itself were the cause.

Study where everything died and cautioned not to move forward.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3335060/

Here is an article about ADE, where the vaccine just attaches to the virus and escorts it into your cells, meaning you get it worse. There wasn't time to study it, so who knows what will happen.
https://archive.is/MaXKX

Study out of Israel showing the South African strain is infecting people vaccinated more than unvaccinated. The study shows vaccinated people were still get both variants after vaccine and the 1 variant was 8 times higher than unvaccinated.
https://archive.is/uDVyx
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/...21254882v1


Look mRNA may turn into the greatest thing ever, but it hasn't been tested much before. There are certainly more adverse events than tested and approved vaccines. With no testing of 6, 9, 12 months down the line and what happens to your body when exposed we could be in for trouble. If you survived this long without getting it, masks don't stop it see Texas and Florida being open, then do you really need a vaccine? If you are healthy you are probably taking a higher risk getting the vaccine than just letting your immune system handle it.

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Edit - I've seen this going around a few times, it's just some random website but the info is real and most are relevant to covid. 18 reasons to not get it right now.
https://www.deconstructingconventional.c...id-vaccine

Scientists working on a micro-chip to be planted under your skin to detect covid..

Keep lining up, sheep..

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04...-covid-19/

According to various news reports the FDA and CDC are recomending that the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is "paused" for now due to issues that some people have had with blood clotting:

NBC News on Twitter: "DEVELOPING: FDA and CDC are recommending a pause in the use of the Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine "out of an abundance of caution" after reports of 6 cases in the U.S. of a "rare and severe type of blood clot" after receiving the shot. https://t.co/NzVnxBQaGa" / Twitter


The Associated Press on Twitter: "BREAKING: US recommends 'pause' for single-dose Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine to investigate clotting reports. https://t.co/CHyDEn0evn" / Twitter


I heard on the radio a few days ago that here in NC some people had severe reactions after taking this vaccine and had to be hospitalized. Twenty-six people a little while ago had adverse reactions at some sites in NC and four had to be taken to the hospital after receiving the J&J dose.

https://apnews.com/article/north-carolin...af2ae38ad2

Anyone that has just taken this shot be careful and be aware of any side effect that seems severe. This was a vaccine I wasn't as interested in taking because even though it being one dose is appealing it's efficiency wasn't as high as Pfizer or Moderna's vaccines. Granted the number of people that have had clotting side effects from this is very minuscule but I can understand them wanting to pause it to research things a bit more.

(04-13-2021, 07:39 AM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]According to various news reports the FDA and CDC are recomending that the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is "paused" for now due to issues that some people have had with blood clotting:

NBC News on Twitter: "DEVELOPING: FDA and CDC are recommending a pause in the use of the Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine "out of an abundance of caution" after reports of 6 cases in the U.S. of a "rare and severe type of blood clot" after receiving the shot. https://t.co/NzVnxBQaGa" / Twitter


The Associated Press on Twitter: "BREAKING: US recommends 'pause' for single-dose Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine to investigate clotting reports. https://t.co/CHyDEn0evn" / Twitter


I heard on the radio a few days ago that here in NC some people had severe reactions after taking this vaccine and had to be hospitalized. Twenty-six people a little while ago had adverse reactions at some sites in NC and four had to be taken to the hospital after receiving the J&J dose.

https://apnews.com/article/north-carolin...af2ae38ad2

Anyone that has just taken this shot be careful and be aware of any side effect that seems severe. This was a vaccine I wasn't as interested in taking because even though it being one dose is appealing it's efficiency wasn't as high as Pfizer or Moderna's vaccines. Granted the number of people that have had clotting side effects from this is very minuscule but I can understand them wanting to pause it to research things a bit more.

A little stroke never hurt anybody.

(04-13-2021, 08:03 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(04-13-2021, 07:39 AM)mal234 Wrote: [ -> ]According to various news reports the FDA and CDC are recomending that the Johnson and Johnson vaccine is "paused" for now due to issues that some people have had with blood clotting:

NBC News on Twitter: "DEVELOPING: FDA and CDC are recommending a pause in the use of the Johnson & Johnson Covid-19 vaccine "out of an abundance of caution" after reports of 6 cases in the U.S. of a "rare and severe type of blood clot" after receiving the shot. https://t.co/NzVnxBQaGa" / Twitter


The Associated Press on Twitter: "BREAKING: US recommends 'pause' for single-dose Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine to investigate clotting reports. https://t.co/CHyDEn0evn" / Twitter


I heard on the radio a few days ago that here in NC some people had severe reactions after taking this vaccine and had to be hospitalized. Twenty-six people a little while ago had adverse reactions at some sites in NC and four had to be taken to the hospital after receiving the J&J dose.

https://apnews.com/article/north-carolin...af2ae38ad2

Anyone that has just taken this shot be careful and be aware of any side effect that seems severe. This was a vaccine I wasn't as interested in taking because even though it being one dose is appealing it's efficiency wasn't as high as Pfizer or Moderna's vaccines. Granted the number of people that have had clotting side effects from this is very minuscule but I can understand them wanting to pause it to research things a bit more.

A little stroke never hurt anybody.