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(08-24-2021, 11:56 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-24-2021, 08:36 AM)KingIngram052787 Wrote: [ -> ]I know because of the healthcare crisis in our country many folks don't have a PCP, but if you have a regular PCP that you go to at least once a year who knows your health history and you have a good relationship with, then it's a no brainer.

I understand what you are saying, but I believe most PCPs have their patients best interest in mind.  I mean, they sort of have to or their revenue stream goes away.  Not everyone is good, but it seems you have a rebuttal for everything that everyone is just in it to make money and it's some giant conspiracy, which it's not.

Most PCPs are garbage and don't have the best interest of their patients in mind anymore. If you are sick, you spend more money. They are overworked and don't have time for any research to actually heal you or get you off a Rx. They may initially care when they start but most just don't have the time or stamina to treat their patients like they should. You cannot be treated if you spend less than 5 mins with your doctor. They just look at your chart and say do this, take this, etc. Everything is standard treatments but are not tailored for you.

Doctors make money but really today it is harder to make money as medicare et al has cut payments and frankly they lose money seeing too many patients without private insurance.

A PCP is basically only good at detecting something abnormal. They are not specialist, there is no way for them to know everything they would need to know. Basically they are just a gate keeper to give you drugs if something is abnormal in labs or tell you to go to a specialist.

I went through a medical billing and coding and medical office assistant course several years ago and I was shocked at what I learned. Well, not entirely shocked. More like it confirmed what I suspected but hoped was not true.
 
These are truer than most people want to know. Insurance companies dictate how much time a doctor spends with a patient; not the doctor, the patient or the reason for their visit. That, and the absurd schedules they stack patients in to keep the flow of patients and their co-pays going. They'll schedule more than one patient for a 15 minute block. Sometimes this is done because patients don't show up, but also it's because they're trying to recoup the money they lose on Medicare and Medicaid patients. 

Our most recent PCP was fresh from college when we first started seeing her. She was definitely an optimist and ready to tackle the world. Five years later she's already feeling the weight of having to be a doctor in today's medical system. She is a turnstile who does nothing but look at your numbers, listen to your complaint and refers you to another doctor for what ails you. You can get a RX for an antibiotic if your cat bites you, or Prednisone if you have a sinus infection. Otherwise you are referred out. On a one-on-one basis she knows absolutely nothing about me outside of my cat bites me on occasion and I get sinus infections from time to time. And she spends almost all her time looking at a screen and not her patients. My mom has the same complaint with her PCP and her GI doctor. 

Before I was diagnosed with an abdominal wall endometrioma in 2018 I was told by three doctors, all specialists, that I had endometriosis. I knew 1000% this was not true because nothing supported that diagnosis but no one would listen. They were going by what they'd seen before in all their years of practice. I even shared with them what I discovered in my research of my symptoms and evidence (scans and biopsies) that supported it and asked them to look into it. NOPE. I was told it simply had to be endometriosis and pushed a drug on me (that I refused) that was manufactured for prostate cancer, not endo, and had never been approved for treatment of endo. 

I fought and searched for a doctor who would actually listen and think outside the box and found one at Duke in Raleigh who had not only heard of AWE but had treated several patients with it. By the time I had surgery to remove the AWE, it had begun to wrap itself around my sigmoid colon and was in the process of doing major damage. I lost about a third of my sigmoid colon and now have lifelong issues because three other doctors were too busy with their stacked schedules and too stuck in their "years of experience" to listen to someone who provided actual intel because she knew her history and her body better than they did. A lot of doctors these days think we are stupid and uninformed, and many people are WebMD warriors, but some of us are very informed and do not take anything lightly when it comes to our health. 

When I make a decision regarding my health it has nothing to do with what the media says, what some alphabet agency says, what the POTUS says, what some influencer says, or anyone else. It comes from what I know about myself and my health and medical history for the last 49 years. I do the research and compare it with my history and talk with my alternative doctor and make an individually informed choice. Anything else is just rolling the dice and hoping for the best outcome. 

(08-24-2021, 01:00 PM)KingIngram052787 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-24-2021, 11:56 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Most PCPs are garbage and don't have the best interest of their patients in mind anymore. If you are sick, you spend more money. They are overworked and don't have time for any research to actually heal you or get you off a Rx. They may initially care when they start but most just don't have the time or stamina to treat their patients like they should. You cannot be treated if you spend less than 5 mins with your doctor. They just look at your chart and say do this, take this, etc. Everything is standard treatments but are not tailored for you.

Doctors make money but really today it is harder to make money as medicare et al has cut payments and frankly they lose money seeing too many patients without private insurance.

A PCP is basically only good at detecting something abnormal. They are not specialist, there is no way for them to know everything they would need to know. Basically they are just a gate keeper to give you drugs if something is abnormal in labs or tell you to go to a specialist.

LOL.  Out of all of the [BLEEP] you spew on here, this may be my favorite.

Believe me when I say he's not entirely wrong.
I love my pcp. But, then again, I did my research and missed on a bunch until I found the right guy. Unfortunately, I have to pay a bunch for it. That's how he gets around some of the problems other doctors have.

(08-24-2021, 12:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-24-2021, 09:35 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]You're such a drama queen. So, just so I'm clear, is this one of those refutations you keep going on about? I never said Covid was comparable to car accidents, since kids are 12X more likely to die in a car accident than from Covid, but we can ignore that fact since it interferes with your emotions. 

Moving onto other things, I thought this is an interesting opinion piece.

Does the FDA think these data justify the first full approval of a covid-19 vaccine? - The BMJ

You lost any credibility on the topic when you said unmasked kids are just as safe as masked. 
You’ve talked yourself into believing that but it’s unfortunately not true according to thousands of epidemiologists around the planet.

You make me laugh.

(08-24-2021, 12:18 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-24-2021, 09:40 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]There are 74 million children in the US. 335 died from Covid. The odds of your child dying is 0.0000045%.

So you are essentially stating that the strict precautions that were taken like mask wearing and online classes were effective.  I agree.

You also make me laugh.
(08-24-2021, 03:19 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I love my pcp. But, then again, I did my research and missed on a bunch until I found the right guy. Unfortunately, I have to pay a bunch for it. That's how he gets around some of the problems other doctors have.

(08-24-2021, 12:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]You lost any credibility on the topic when you said unmasked kids are just as safe as masked. 
You’ve talked yourself into believing that but it’s unfortunately not true according to thousands of epidemiologists around the planet.

You make me laugh.

(08-24-2021, 12:18 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]So you are essentially stating that the strict precautions that were taken like mask wearing and online classes were effective.  I agree.

You also make me laugh.

There is a 99% probability NYC voted for Cuomo at some point in his life. He isn't exactly the purest voice of COVID advice one can seek.
(08-24-2021, 03:41 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-24-2021, 03:19 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]I love my pcp. But, then again, I did my research and missed on a bunch until I found the right guy. Unfortunately, I have to pay a bunch for it. That's how he gets around some of the problems other doctors have.


You make me laugh.


You also make me laugh.

There is a 99% probability NYC voted for Cuomo at some point in his life. He isn't exactly the purest voice of COVID advice one can seek.

This board is the last place anyone should look for a medical opinion.. We have armchair GM's in one thread and armchair doctors in the other..

For god's sake.. Let Urbs do his job and if you broke your arm, rub some tussin on it and go see your doctor..
(08-24-2021, 04:40 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-24-2021, 03:41 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]There is a 99% probability NYC voted for Cuomo at some point in his life. He isn't exactly the purest voice of COVID advice one can seek.

This board is the last place anyone should look for a medical opinion.. We have armchair GM's in one thread and armchair doctors in the other..

For god's sake.. Let Urbs do his job and if you broke your arm, rub some tussin on it and go see your doctor..

My Doctor said that because I have had covid, I do not need the vaccine.
(08-24-2021, 01:46 PM)americus 2.0 Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-24-2021, 11:56 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Most PCPs are garbage and don't have the best interest of their patients in mind anymore. If you are sick, you spend more money. They are overworked and don't have time for any research to actually heal you or get you off a Rx. They may initially care when they start but most just don't have the time or stamina to treat their patients like they should. You cannot be treated if you spend less than 5 mins with your doctor. They just look at your chart and say do this, take this, etc. Everything is standard treatments but are not tailored for you.

Doctors make money but really today it is harder to make money as medicare et al has cut payments and frankly they lose money seeing too many patients without private insurance.

A PCP is basically only good at detecting something abnormal. They are not specialist, there is no way for them to know everything they would need to know. Basically they are just a gate keeper to give you drugs if something is abnormal in labs or tell you to go to a specialist.

I went through a medical billing and coding and medical office assistant course several years ago and I was shocked at what I learned. Well, not entirely shocked. More like it confirmed what I suspected but hoped was not true.
 
These are truer than most people want to know. Insurance companies dictate how much time a doctor spends with a patient; not the doctor, the patient or the reason for their visit. That, and the absurd schedules they stack patients in to keep the flow of patients and their co-pays going. They'll schedule more than one patient for a 15 minute block. Sometimes this is done because patients don't show up, but also it's because they're trying to recoup the money they lose on Medicare and Medicaid patients. 

Our most recent PCP was fresh from college when we first started seeing her. She was definitely an optimist and ready to tackle the world. Five years later she's already feeling the weight of having to be a doctor in today's medical system. She is a turnstile who does nothing but look at your numbers, listen to your complaint and refers you to another doctor for what ails you. You can get a RX for an antibiotic if your cat bites you, or Prednisone if you have a sinus infection. Otherwise you are referred out. On a one-on-one basis she knows absolutely nothing about me outside of my cat bites me on occasion and I get sinus infections from time to time. And she spends almost all her time looking at a screen and not her patients. My mom has the same complaint with her PCP and her GI doctor. 

Before I was diagnosed with an abdominal wall endometrioma in 2018 I was told by three doctors, all specialists, that I had endometriosis. I knew 1000% this was not true because nothing supported that diagnosis but no one would listen. They were going by what they'd seen before in all their years of practice. I even shared with them what I discovered in my research of my symptoms and evidence (scans and biopsies) that supported it and asked them to look into it. NOPE. I was told it simply had to be endometriosis and pushed a drug on me (that I refused) that was manufactured for prostate cancer, not endo, and had never been approved for treatment of endo. 

I fought and searched for a doctor who would actually listen and think outside the box and found one at Duke in Raleigh who had not only heard of AWE but had treated several patients with it. By the time I had surgery to remove the AWE, it had begun to wrap itself around my sigmoid colon and was in the process of doing major damage. I lost about a third of my sigmoid colon and now have lifelong issues because three other doctors were too busy with their stacked schedules and too stuck in their "years of experience" to listen to someone who provided actual intel because she knew her history and her body better than they did. A lot of doctors these days think we are stupid and uninformed, and many people are WebMD warriors, but some of us are very informed and do not take anything lightly when it comes to our health. 

When I make a decision regarding my health it has nothing to do with what the media says, what some alphabet agency says, what the POTUS says, what some influencer says, or anyone else. It comes from what I know about myself and my health and medical history for the last 49 years. I do the research and compare it with my history and talk with my alternative doctor and make an individually informed choice. Anything else is just rolling the dice and hoping for the best outcome. 

(08-24-2021, 01:00 PM)KingIngram052787 Wrote: [ -> ]LOL.  Out of all of the [BLEEP] you spew on here, this may be my favorite.

Believe me when I say he's not entirely wrong.

I understand he's not entirely wrong.

My company is a consulting firm for large hospital organizations, I know all to well the mess that a lot of them are.  That doesn't make most PCPs garbage or not helpful and informative to you when making certain medical decisions.  

I'm sorry about what you went through with your condition, it sounds like because it's not very common they had trouble diagnosing it, which isn't an uncommon occurrence for people with rare conditions.  Doctors, even specialists, aren't perfect, and are also learning every day, they are human.  It doesn't mean you shouldn't consult them when considering about whether to take or not take a vaccine in the midst of a global pandemic.  It's even more important to consult them in this day in age when misinformation spreads like wildfire and you have idiot politicians exploiting the topic for political gain.

Ultimately, it's an individual decision, but when making a decision you should be as informed as possible.
(08-24-2021, 05:16 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-24-2021, 04:40 PM)WingerDinger Wrote: [ -> ]This board is the last place anyone should look for a medical opinion.. We have armchair GM's in one thread and armchair doctors in the other..

For god's sake.. Let Urbs do his job and if you broke your arm, rub some tussin on it and go see your doctor..

My Doctor said that because I have had covid, I do not need the vaccine.

Follow advice and if necessary, there will be a class action lawsuit in the next few years if need be.
(08-24-2021, 05:16 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]My Doctor said that because I have had covid, I do not need the vaccine.

Did they put it in writing? I know some will tell you that but I doubt anyone puts their name on it.

(08-24-2021, 05:32 PM)KingIngram052787 Wrote: [ -> ]I understand he's not entirely wrong.

My company is a consulting firm for large hospital organizations, I know all to well the mess that a lot of them are.  That doesn't make most PCPs garbage or not helpful and informative to you when making certain medical decisions.  

I'm sorry about what you went through with your condition, it sounds like because it's not very common they had trouble diagnosing it, which isn't an uncommon occurrence for people with rare conditions.  Doctors, even specialists, aren't perfect, and are also learning every day, they are human.  It doesn't mean you shouldn't consult them when considering about whether to take or not take a vaccine in the midst of a global pandemic.  It's even more important to consult them in this day in age when misinformation spreads like wildfire and you have idiot politicians exploiting the topic for political gain.

Ultimately, it's an individual decision, but when making a decision you should be as informed as possible.

I'm entirely right. PCPs are for prevention at best. Other than that they don't have the time and/or knowledge to solve anything. It's not that they are stupid, couldn't be a specialist, etc, but they are a gate keeper from the past (where you may have only had 1 doctor in town) to keep people from going to specialist for everything. It's their choice and it's a terrible career for the most part now. They used to be great and treated anything in small towns but you can't survive anymore. You may not like it and there are some that still care but those are few and far between.

Most doctors don't even think for themselves anymore. The associations, agencies, hospitals, insurance, etc tell them how to treat people. If a PCP runs a test and it's abnormal, it will tell them what to prescribe. If they don't know what to do, they search the symptoms and get the treatment or tell you to go see a specialist. Most people even have insurance that requires them to get a referral from the GATE KEEPER. It doesn't mean doctors are heartless but it is beaten out of them in no amount of time. It isn't about healing people it is a business.

There are outliers to this but you will have to pay for them. They either don't take insurance or will be more costly for the additional time and freedom. They aren't beholden to the insurance companies and the agencies.
(08-24-2021, 07:57 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-24-2021, 05:16 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]My Doctor said that because I have had covid, I do not need the vaccine.

Did they put it in writing? I know some will tell you that but I doubt anyone puts their name on it.

(08-24-2021, 05:32 PM)KingIngram052787 Wrote: [ -> ]I understand he's not entirely wrong.

My company is a consulting firm for large hospital organizations, I know all to well the mess that a lot of them are.  That doesn't make most PCPs garbage or not helpful and informative to you when making certain medical decisions.  

I'm sorry about what you went through with your condition, it sounds like because it's not very common they had trouble diagnosing it, which isn't an uncommon occurrence for people with rare conditions.  Doctors, even specialists, aren't perfect, and are also learning every day, they are human.  It doesn't mean you shouldn't consult them when considering about whether to take or not take a vaccine in the midst of a global pandemic.  It's even more important to consult them in this day in age when misinformation spreads like wildfire and you have idiot politicians exploiting the topic for political gain.

Ultimately, it's an individual decision, but when making a decision you should be as informed as possible.

I'm entirely right. PCPs are for prevention at best. Other than that they don't have the time and/or knowledge to solve anything. It's not that they are stupid, couldn't be a specialist, etc, but they are a gate keeper from the past (where you may have only had 1 doctor in town) to keep people from going to specialist for everything. It's their choice and it's a terrible career for the most part now. They used to be great and treated anything in small towns but you can't survive anymore. You may not like it and there are some that still care but those are few and far between.

Most doctors don't even think for themselves anymore. The associations, agencies, hospitals, insurance, etc tell them how to treat people. If a PCP runs a test and it's abnormal, it will tell them what to prescribe. If they don't know what to do, they search the symptoms and get the treatment or tell you to go see a specialist. Most people even have insurance that requires them to get a referral from the GATE KEEPER. It doesn't mean doctors are heartless but it is beaten out of them in no amount of time. It isn't about healing people it is a business.

There are outliers to this but you will have to pay for them. They either don't take insurance or will be more costly for the additional time and freedom. They aren't beholden to the insurance companies and the agencies.

I'm really curious as to how you came to this conclusion, you seem so sure of something that's so ignorant.
(08-24-2021, 07:57 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-24-2021, 05:16 PM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]My Doctor said that because I have had covid, I do not need the vaccine.

Did they put it in writing? I know some will tell you that but I doubt anyone puts their name on it.

(08-24-2021, 05:32 PM)KingIngram052787 Wrote: [ -> ]I understand he's not entirely wrong.

My company is a consulting firm for large hospital organizations, I know all to well the mess that a lot of them are.  That doesn't make most PCPs garbage or not helpful and informative to you when making certain medical decisions.  

I'm sorry about what you went through with your condition, it sounds like because it's not very common they had trouble diagnosing it, which isn't an uncommon occurrence for people with rare conditions.  Doctors, even specialists, aren't perfect, and are also learning every day, they are human.  It doesn't mean you shouldn't consult them when considering about whether to take or not take a vaccine in the midst of a global pandemic.  It's even more important to consult them in this day in age when misinformation spreads like wildfire and you have idiot politicians exploiting the topic for political gain.

Ultimately, it's an individual decision, but when making a decision you should be as informed as possible.

I'm entirely right. PCPs are for prevention at best. Other than that they don't have the time and/or knowledge to solve anything. It's not that they are stupid, couldn't be a specialist, etc, but they are a gate keeper from the past (where you may have only had 1 doctor in town) to keep people from going to specialist for everything. It's their choice and it's a terrible career for the most part now. They used to be great and treated anything in small towns but you can't survive anymore. You may not like it and there are some that still care but those are few and far between.

Most doctors don't even think for themselves anymore. The associations, agencies, hospitals, insurance, etc tell them how to treat people. If a PCP runs a test and it's abnormal, it will tell them what to prescribe. If they don't know what to do, they search the symptoms and get the treatment or tell you to go see a specialist. Most people even have insurance that requires them to get a referral from the GATE KEEPER. It doesn't mean doctors are heartless but it is beaten out of them in no amount of time. It isn't about healing people it is a business.

There are outliers to this but you will have to pay for them. They either don't take insurance or will be more costly for the additional time and freedom. They aren't beholden to the insurance companies and the agencies.

Yeah, actual doctors don't know anything but the board quack is qualified to spew misinformation about vaccines all the live long day lol.
Why does everything have to be so black and white in these discussions?
(08-24-2021, 09:08 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-24-2021, 07:57 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Did they put it in writing? I know some will tell you that but I doubt anyone puts their name on it.


I'm entirely right. PCPs are for prevention at best. Other than that they don't have the time and/or knowledge to solve anything. It's not that they are stupid, couldn't be a specialist, etc, but they are a gate keeper from the past (where you may have only had 1 doctor in town) to keep people from going to specialist for everything. It's their choice and it's a terrible career for the most part now. They used to be great and treated anything in small towns but you can't survive anymore. You may not like it and there are some that still care but those are few and far between.

Most doctors don't even think for themselves anymore. The associations, agencies, hospitals, insurance, etc tell them how to treat people. If a PCP runs a test and it's abnormal, it will tell them what to prescribe. If they don't know what to do, they search the symptoms and get the treatment or tell you to go see a specialist. Most people even have insurance that requires them to get a referral from the GATE KEEPER. It doesn't mean doctors are heartless but it is beaten out of them in no amount of time. It isn't about healing people it is a business.

There are outliers to this but you will have to pay for them. They either don't take insurance or will be more costly for the additional time and freedom. They aren't beholden to the insurance companies and the agencies.

I'm really curious as to how you came to this conclusion, you seem so sure of something that's so ignorant.
Just to be clear, he's been wrong about just about everything for almost a year.

"This next court case will help overturn the election! It's coming!"
(08-25-2021, 08:41 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-24-2021, 09:08 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]I'm really curious as to how you came to this conclusion, you seem so sure of something that's so ignorant.
Just to be clear, he's been wrong about just about everything for almost a year.

"This next court case will help overturn the election! It's coming!"

Are you talking about Tony Fauchi or the CDC?
My 13 year old Grandson's school is offering the vax to kids with parenteral permission and my Daughter and her Husband asked him what he thought of it without trying to influence him and he said "No!" and they asked him why? And he then replied "The shot hasn't been around long enough"

From the mouths of babes...
(08-25-2021, 09:44 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]My 13 year old Grandson's school is offering the vax to kids with parenteral permission and my Daughter and her Husband asked him what he thought of it without trying to influence him and he said "No!" and they asked him why? And he then replied "The shot hasn't been around long enough"

From the mouths of babes...

Yeah, and every bit as accurate as this one that you love to hate.

[Image: giphy.webp]

(08-25-2021, 08:33 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Why does everything have to be so black and white in these discussions?

Because medicine has been politicized and you're either a zealot on one side or the other.
(08-25-2021, 09:46 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-25-2021, 09:44 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]My 13 year old Grandson's school is offering the vax to kids with parenteral permission and my Daughter and her Husband asked him what he thought of it without trying to influence him and he said "No!" and they asked him why? And he then replied "The shot hasn't been around long enough"

From the mouths of babes...

Yeah, and every bit as accurate as this one that you love to hate.

[Image: giphy.webp]

(08-25-2021, 08:33 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: [ -> ]Why does everything have to be so black and white in these discussions?

Because medicine has been politicized and you're either a zealot on one side or the other.

That nasty little demon wishes she was my Grandson....
(08-25-2021, 09:44 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]My 13 year old Grandson's school is offering the vax to kids with parenteral permission and my Daughter and her Husband asked him what he thought of it without trying to influence him and he said "No!" and they asked him why? And he then replied "The shot hasn't been around long enough"

From the mouths of babes...

Mmmhmm...

[Image: rbo37.gif]
(08-25-2021, 10:05 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-25-2021, 09:46 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, and every bit as accurate as this one that you love to hate.

[Image: giphy.webp]


Because medicine has been politicized and you're either a zealot on one side or the other.

That nasty little demon wishes she was my Grandson....

Just think, everyone will soon see him the same way; either a forward thinking leader of a social movement, or a loud mouthed twit.
(08-25-2021, 11:31 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]
(08-25-2021, 10:05 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]That nasty little demon wishes she was my Grandson....

Just think, everyone will soon see him the same way; either a forward thinking leader of a social movement, or a loud mouthed twit.

Dude, that was uncalled for.
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