You might actually be able to find a shotgun for sale. A lot of semi-auto pistols and rifles are hard to find now.
A lever-action rifle in 30-30, .357 or .44 Magnum works well in a pinch.
(04-06-2020, 04:11 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2020, 08:26 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I feel Fauci's effectiveness has run its course. Trump needs a doctor (young) who can balance the permanent impact their decisions are having on the economy. Not to mention his blatant reluctance to promote a CHEAP treatment that doctors are prescribing and is said to be helping. Combine that with his newfound fame and doing podcasts with Steph Curry, and apparently being in the pocket of the Bill Gates foundation, his effectiveness has run its course and its time to find a new guy.
Again, just my opinion.
Oh please. Dr Fauci's job is not to "balance the permanent impact of his decisions on the economy" vs. his professional medical opinion. His reluctance to promote any kind of treatment is his professional opinion based on proper clinical testing.
Also, the age of his adviser (doctor) has nothing to do with it. You are sounding like a far left democrat saying that the President needs a "young" doctor on his team. What's next? The doctor must be female? Must be a minority? Must be gay?
Your comment is no better than the thoughts of those on the far left.
As you said it's just your opinion, but you know what they say about opinions...
I think by young he means someone more willing to take risks and create a vision of victory.
I fundamentally disagree with your characterization of faucis outlook on pharmaceutical mitigation. Hes a behavioralist, he believes in behavioral mitigation and that's what his opinion skews towards. When it comes to studies showing promise of a treatment "that's anecdotal" when a computer model comes out advising behavioral mitigation we have to risk a great depression. Increase in transmission in the southern hemisphere = evidence of seasonality. Decrease in transmission for the northern hemisphere = social distancing must be working.
I'm not implying malice, I'm illustrating bureaucratic confirmation bias.
Australia is in the southern hemisphere and the numbers have fallen off a cliff the last week. Social distancing?...
(04-06-2020, 04:31 PM)Byron LeftTown Wrote: [ -> ]You might actually be able to find a shotgun for sale. A lot of semi-auto pistols and rifles are hard to find now.
A lever-action rifle in 30-30, .357 or .44 Magnum works well in a pinch.
Not your first apocalypse, eh?
(04-06-2020, 05:55 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Australia is in the southern hemisphere and the numbers have fallen off a cliff the last week. Social distancing?...
I was there a month ago and have friends there now. They are social distancing like we are. Essentials are open. Beach closed a week ago
Yeah exactly and it's had big effects.
Think the beaches only closed in Sydney though.
(04-06-2020, 07:20 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah exactly and it's had big effects.
Think the beaches only closed in Sydney though.
Does anyone remember the imperial projections and recommendations?
(04-06-2020, 08:02 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-06-2020, 07:20 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah exactly and it's had big effects.
Think the beaches only closed in Sydney though.
Does anyone remember the imperial projections and recommendations?
I don't think you really understand the Imperial projections.
Just keep listening to Trump, or Fox News. Same same
(04-03-2020, 06:09 PM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]Did u know the subways are still open in NYC?
Even NYC has essential employees who need a ride to work.
(04-06-2020, 07:20 PM)lastonealive Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah exactly and it's had big effects.
Think the beaches only closed in Sydney though.
Brisbane and Melbourne are closed apparently
(04-07-2020, 01:44 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1247350512078532610
... Really?
73% of Spains docs are prescribing it to kids the ring? 37% of international docs surveyed are using it just to pad his pockets? Really? A cheap inexpensive drug that's been in generic form for half a century,?
#TDS
(04-07-2020, 02:38 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-07-2020, 01:44 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1247350512078532610
... Really?
73% of Spains docs are prescribing it to kids the ring? 37% of international docs surveyed are using it just to pad his pockets? Really? A cheap inexpensive drug that's been in generic form for half a century,?
#TDS
33% use it internationally and there have been zero medically sound studies done proving its effectiveness relative to other treatments so far
(04-07-2020, 03:35 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ] (04-07-2020, 02:38 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ]... Really?
73% of Spains docs are prescribing it to kids the ring? 37% of international docs surveyed are using it just to pad his pockets? Really? A cheap inexpensive drug that's been in generic form for half a century,?
#TDS
33% use it internationally and there have been zero medically sound studies done proving its effectiveness relative to other treatments so far
That's just a lie. By medically sound, you're parroting the talking point about randomized controlled clinical trials.
A.) Those trials take longer than the projected duration of the outbreak
B.) The French epidemiologist who conducted the first few limited trials raised the point that with a virus that poses legitimate risk of mortality it's not ethical to do a randomized control trial. Half the participants would get an active drug & if ur looking @ the target demographic (55+ with comorbidity) you could be looking @ 20-25% mortality in the control group.
C.) Same French researcher just published another series of treatments including 1000 patients. That's some 1100 patients in total. That's enough to provide statistically significant data to support the drugs efficacy.
D.) There are no randomized control groups for the lockdowns that nations are prescribing to deal with the pandemic! People keep creating the false illusion of perfect solutions or some magical playbook within the pre-existing medical establishment that were supposed to follow. There isn't. There are no safe spaces in this war. No option is perfectly proven and they all have potential side effects.
E.) There are plenty of frontline doctors in the Unitrd states already prescribing HCQ in different combinations. We are a week or so removed from the expanded use in NYC, were conducting another one in Detroit and weve stockpiled 10s of millions of doses in anticipation that this can help patients. The initial data supports the general hypothesis that HCQ in has the ability to 1.) Allow zinc within the cell to stop viral replication 2.) Modulate the immune response and prevent the cytokine storm that's drying people's lungs. A 10% reduction in mortality would translate into saving a population double the size of that lost on 9-11 according to the latest "models" if we can risk a great depression, we can risk temporary diarrhea.
F.) When combating a pathogen if this magnitude, off label use of existing medication HAS TO BE among the front line tools to save lives. Customized synthetic theraputics and vaccines take years to develop, test and deploy. By the time your out of the conventional FDA process your economic base is destroyed and hundreds of thousands of our countrymen will have died. Medications that have already proven to 1.) Be relatively safe in humans 2.) Demonstrate efficacy to modulate immune response/demonstrate efficacy against the virus in the lab cant be withheld or downplayed simply to preserve bureaucratic norms when people's lives hang in the balance. In this case you have a data driven attempt by physicians based on their research, training, and experience to give their patients the best options possible. It would be childish and irresponsible to limit those options out of a morbid political vendetta.
(04-07-2020, 09:37 AM)Gabe Wrote: [ -> ] (04-07-2020, 09:20 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]When will people stop referencing the NY Times as factual?
Perhaps when people start lumping FOX into the MSM?
Lol, yeah they are. 1 FOX versus how many lefty slanted media outlets?
(04-07-2020, 09:07 AM)jj82284 Wrote: [ -> ] (04-07-2020, 03:35 AM)JackCity Wrote: [ -> ]33% use it internationally and there have been zero medically sound studies done proving its effectiveness relative to other treatments so far
That's just a lie. By medically sound, you're parroting the talking point about randomized controlled clinical trials.
A.) Those trials take longer than the projected duration of the outbreak
B.) The French epidemiologist who conducted the first few limited trials raised the point that with a virus that poses legitimate risk of mortality it's not ethical to do a randomized control trial. Half the participants would get an active drug & if ur looking @ the target demographic (55+ with comorbidity) you could be looking @ 20-25% mortality in the control group.
C.) Same French researcher just published another series of treatments including 1000 patients. That's some 1100 patients in total. That's enough to provide statistically significant data to support the drugs efficacy.
D.) There are no randomized control groups for the lockdowns that nations are prescribing to deal with the pandemic! People keep creating the false illusion of perfect solutions or some magical playbook within the pre-existing medical establishment that were supposed to follow. There isn't. There are no safe spaces in this war. No option is perfectly proven and they all have potential side effects.
E.) There are plenty of frontline doctors in the Unitrd states already prescribing HCQ in different combinations. We are a week or so removed from the expanded use in NYC, were conducting another one in Detroit and weve stockpiled 10s of millions of doses in anticipation that this can help patients. The initial data supports the general hypothesis that HCQ in has the ability to 1.) Allow zinc within the cell to stop viral replication 2.) Modulate the immune response and prevent the cytokine storm that's drying people's lungs. A 10% reduction in mortality would translate into saving a population double the size of that lost on 9-11 according to the latest "models" if we can risk a great depression, we can risk temporary diarrhea.
F.) When combating a pathogen if this magnitude, off label use of existing medication HAS TO BE among the front line tools to save lives. Customized synthetic theraputics and vaccines take years to develop, test and deploy. By the time your out of the conventional FDA process your economic base is destroyed and hundreds of thousands of our countrymen will have died. Medications that have already proven to 1.) Be relatively safe in humans 2.) Demonstrate efficacy to modulate immune response/demonstrate efficacy against the virus in the lab cant be withheld or downplayed simply to preserve bureaucratic norms when people's lives hang in the balance. In this case you have a data driven attempt by physicians based on their research, training, and experience to give their patients the best options possible. It would be childish and irresponsible to limit those options out of a morbid political vendetta.
No. When I say medically sound I'm referring to the drug that was discontinued in many countries due to its toxicity and side effects. But I'd imagine you won't mention that because it doesn't fit your narrative here.
Please don't conflate experimenting with drugs in a pandemic on the front line with the president of country pleading for citizens to take it in their droves with zero medical backing or commentary on its list of PROVEN side effects on toxicity, that is quite simply just irresponsible from any public figure, not just the president of an actual country. It may work for some people, it may be very damaging and increase fatality in others, especially if already taking different drugs
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/12...3468306433
good thread on the history of the drug
https://twitter.com/RemingtonNevin/statu...5111610376