(01-31-2022, 07:22 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 07:17 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]Now I wouldn’t hate this move. I won’t be super happy and excited. But damn. Can they cut to the chase and demote him to parking lot attendant so they can just hire whoever they want?
It's too late to fire Baalke. He's needed for roster input and transactions. The hope is that Caldwell [with more than likely Pederson's direct input] will have final say in personnel decisions.
Pederson already has his staff in place. He already knows what he wants to do vision wise. He's probably the safest bet at this time.
So, we'll see.
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Wait. I thought you were kidding?! Especially based on the equipment guy.
However if it’s Caldwell and Pederson, I’m in for that.
Still want Baalke completely gone with Byron/Wilson.
Honestly imo
Caldwell + Pederson>>>>> Byron + Adrian
The only bad thing is Baalke would still be on the team
(01-31-2022, 07:26 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Honestly imo
Caldwell + Pederson>>>>> Byron + Adrian
The only bad thing is Baalke would still be on the team
Oh hell yeah
We better not let Pederson leave tomorrow without making him the coach
I seriously cannot [BLEEP] stand Shad Khan. He is a pathetic NFL owner and this team will never win anything of consequence with him in charge.
I'm convinced that any of us on this board (except a couple) could run this team more effectively. How is it this hard to cut yourself loose from something that is categorically hindering your team?
(01-31-2022, 07:22 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 07:17 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]Now I wouldn’t hate this move. I won’t be super happy and excited. But damn. Can they cut to the chase and demote him to parking lot attendant so they can just hire whoever they want?
It's too late to fire Baalke. He's needed for roster input and transactions. The hope is that Caldwell [with more than likely Pederson's direct input] will have final say in personnel decisions.
Pederson already has his staff in place. He already knows what he wants to do vision wise. He's probably the safest bet at this time.
So, we'll see.
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I’d live with it, for sure. But a complete clean slate would have been preferable. Perhaps I’m letting the Wilson/Leftwich thing get the best of me. If I heard this a week or so after the season I’d be jumping for joy. I guess I just need time to process the fact that Baalke is still in the building after having my hopes up. At least we won’t have that one troll on here advocating for Bevell.
(01-31-2022, 07:25 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 07:22 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It's too late to fire Baalke. He's needed for roster input and transactions. The hope is that Caldwell [with more than likely Pederson's direct input] will have final say in personnel decisions.
Pederson already has his staff in place. He already knows what he wants to do vision wise. He's probably the safest bet at this time.
So, we'll see.
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Wait. I thought you were kidding?! Especially based on the equipment guy.
However if it’s Caldwell and Pederson, I’m in for that.
Still want Baalke completely gone with Byron/Wilson.
You and I are on the same page. Even thinking he was kidding, lol. But me too! I wish TB was out completely. But I’d be happy with a Caldwell/Pederson combo
(01-31-2022, 07:11 PM)tomfin2022 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 06:53 PM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe Khan't got offended by Byron's ultimatum? now he is willing to get rid of Baalke but doesn't want Byron? who knows...
It’s kinda starting to look that way. There was an article published by NBC Sports this morning about Pederson being lukewarm on coming here because of Baalke and what he went through in Philly.
Someone, probably SamusAranX, mentioned Shad getting “cold feet” over moving on Byron this quickly, and I’m starting to get the impression that it’s possible that it’s more of a case of Shad being afraid to make a decision than it is his loyalty to Baalke. It’s almost like if he keeps Baalke and screws up on the HC hire, he can blame it on deciding to keep Baalke, but if he fires Baalke and screws up the HC/GM hire, it’s all on him. Obviously, this is nothing but pure conjecture on my part, but even the most irrational behavior has an underlying motive, and I’m just trying to figure out what Shad’s is.
It's an easy equation from a risk perspective. He knows what he gets from Balke. Byron is a first time HC and Wilson and unknown GM to Jacksonville. It's a big risk to completely switch everything up like that and could easily result in jumping into the fire from the frying pan. If the Byron/Wilson combo didn't present as a 100% guaranteed better option than Balke/Bevell, the default choice, then it's stick with the status quo (as much as I'm sure Kahn agrees that sucks - otherwise he wouldn't be looking to hire a new coach).
Now this is all starting to make some sense. Possible sequence of events:
Shad kicks off the search by telling agents over a month ago that the coach would decide Baalke’s fate.
By the time Shad was ready to hire Byron, Shad felt it was too late in the FA/draft process to fire Baalke. Leftwich refused to take the job if Baalke wasn’t out of the building.
Someone comes up with this latest proposed structure where Baalke can stay through the draft, and the Caldwell/Pederson alliance can keep the snake in in the basket until then.
Like I said, it makes sense on a lot of levels and ties together all of these scraps of information we’ve been getting. I guess we’ll know soon enough if it’s true.
(01-31-2022, 07:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Out of all our candidates Pederson was the only one I actually really liked. He'll yeah, SB winning HC
Agreed, much happier with pederson than Leftwich.
(01-31-2022, 07:43 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 07:11 PM)tomfin2022 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s kinda starting to look that way. There was an article published by NBC Sports this morning about Pederson being lukewarm on coming here because of Baalke and what he went through in Philly.
Someone, probably SamusAranX, mentioned Shad getting “cold feet” over moving on Byron this quickly, and I’m starting to get the impression that it’s possible that it’s more of a case of Shad being afraid to make a decision than it is his loyalty to Baalke. It’s almost like if he keeps Baalke and screws up on the HC hire, he can blame it on deciding to keep Baalke, but if he fires Baalke and screws up the HC/GM hire, it’s all on him. Obviously, this is nothing but pure conjecture on my part, but even the most irrational behavior has an underlying motive, and I’m just trying to figure out what Shad’s is.
It's an easy equation from a risk perspective. He knows what he gets from Balke. Byron is a first time HC and Wilson and unknown GM to Jacksonville. It's a big risk to completely switch everything up like that and could easily result in jumping into the fire from the frying pan. If the Byron/Wilson combo didn't present as a 100% guaranteed better option than Balke/Bevell, the default choice, then it's stick with the status quo (as much as I'm sure Kahn agrees that sucks - otherwise he wouldn't be looking to hire a new coach).
He knows what he gets from Baalke: mediocre drafts, torn ACLs, and the ire of the entire league and fanbase.
He's an idiot.
(01-31-2022, 06:46 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]I am convinced khan lucked his way into money. No businessman can be this freakin dumb.
I don't think he is some genius businessman. I think he made one revolutionary invention and then rode that to everything he's gotten.
(01-31-2022, 05:19 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 05:16 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]I've thought for awhile that if Baalke stayed then Bevell would stay. I don't really have anything against Bevell, I just think the Jags could do so much better and when you add Baalke into the mix, yep. Disaster.
Let's all hope it goes the other way.
I don't have anything against Bevell either, other than the fact that he headed up the worst offense in the NFL. 253 [BLEEP] points averaging 14.88 points per game ... what the [BLEEP] !!!
I've never liked Bevell's offenses anywhere he has coached. They are so vanilla and unimaginative.
(01-31-2022, 07:43 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 07:11 PM)tomfin2022 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s kinda starting to look that way. There was an article published by NBC Sports this morning about Pederson being lukewarm on coming here because of Baalke and what he went through in Philly.
Someone, probably SamusAranX, mentioned Shad getting “cold feet” over moving on Byron this quickly, and I’m starting to get the impression that it’s possible that it’s more of a case of Shad being afraid to make a decision than it is his loyalty to Baalke. It’s almost like if he keeps Baalke and screws up on the HC hire, he can blame it on deciding to keep Baalke, but if he fires Baalke and screws up the HC/GM hire, it’s all on him. Obviously, this is nothing but pure conjecture on my part, but even the most irrational behavior has an underlying motive, and I’m just trying to figure out what Shad’s is.
It's an easy equation from a risk perspective. He knows what he gets from Balke. Byron is a first time HC and Wilson and unknown GM to Jacksonville. It's a big risk to completely switch everything up like that and could easily result in jumping into the fire from the frying pan. If the Byron/Wilson combo didn't present as a 100% guaranteed better option than Balke/Bevell, the default choice, then it's stick with the status quo (as much as I'm sure Kahn agrees that sucks - otherwise he wouldn't be looking to hire a new coach).
Huge risk!! I’d hate to lose out on number 1 overall draft pick without Baalke
(01-31-2022, 02:30 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 01:58 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I am stuck on thia team and will stay on for one more disaster. Man that early franchise success has kept me locked in. Trevor pick helped as well but man this owner is burning through my emotional capital.
I hope Baalke is worth it. Darn guy is a symbol for dysfunction and incompetence. Glad Khan got his way with the leaks but jeez does he really need to burn all good will to prove a point?
I can't. After 25+ years, it has become too much. I'm gonna see who gets hired and what goes on, but if we're just gonna hire some guy who will work with Baalke, I'm gonna take a sabbatical from the Jaguars until until Khan changes his attitude and actually tries to put a winning product on the field. I'll still watch football, but I'll probably just watch whatever games I can get locally, instead of going out of my way to pay extra and watch the Jaguars.
Just get RedZone and play fantasy football. People run their fantasy football teams better than Shad runs the Jags.
(01-31-2022, 07:46 PM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 07:43 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]It's an easy equation from a risk perspective. He knows what he gets from Balke. Byron is a first time HC and Wilson and unknown GM to Jacksonville. It's a big risk to completely switch everything up like that and could easily result in jumping into the fire from the frying pan. If the Byron/Wilson combo didn't present as a 100% guaranteed better option than Balke/Bevell, the default choice, then it's stick with the status quo (as much as I'm sure Kahn agrees that sucks - otherwise he wouldn't be looking to hire a new coach).
He knows what he gets from Baalke: mediocre drafts, torn ACLs, and the ire of the entire league and fanbase.
He's an idiot.
The case for change is obvious and easy. Duh, any moron can make it as demonstrated here.
The better option is not so obvious and that is the challenge of someone wanting the coaching job. If just anybody would be better than what we have now then UM would be a raging success. Instead UM demonstrates it's really easy to [BLEEP] up these decisions. Bevell/Balke serve up crap. We know this. Turns out you can turn over the club leadership and get even worse crap. So you better be sure when you pick the new team otherwise just hang on to your current crew until a better option presents itself.
(01-31-2022, 07:52 PM)Pick 6 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 02:30 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I can't. After 25+ years, it has become too much. I'm gonna see who gets hired and what goes on, but if we're just gonna hire some guy who will work with Baalke, I'm gonna take a sabbatical from the Jaguars until until Khan changes his attitude and actually tries to put a winning product on the field. I'll still watch football, but I'll probably just watch whatever games I can get locally, instead of going out of my way to pay extra and watch the Jaguars.
Just get RedZone and play fantasy football. People run their fantasy football teams better than Shad runs the Jags.
I went 16-0 in my dynasty league this season three years after a complete reset with losing seasons the first two years while building my team. I’m the guy you want.
(01-31-2022, 07:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Out of all our candidates Pederson was the only one I actually really liked. He'll yeah, SB winning HC
Yeah, I like him too. Possibly a safer choice than Leftwich although there are no guarantees.
Not a fan of Pederson at all.
(01-31-2022, 07:59 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Not a fan of Pederson at all.
He is my favorite choice. I am not a fan in bringing in a first time head coach into this Jaguars mess. I want a guy who has built a program and had previous knowledge how to do so. Pederson has a Superbowl win to back up his way of doing things.
If we score Pederson I would have 0 issues.
Caldwell also is a very good choice. He made the trashy lions relevant
https://twitter.com/JaxonFil/status/1488...de%3Dfalse
(01-31-2022, 07:56 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 07:24 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Out of all our candidates Pederson was the only one I actually really liked. He'll yeah, SB winning HC
Yeah, I like him too. Possibly a safer choice than Leftwich although there are no guarantees.
Yes, and I'd rather Calwell than Wilson as well
(01-31-2022, 08:00 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]
(01-31-2022, 07:59 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Not a fan of Pederson at all.
He is my favorite choice. I am not a fan in bringing in a first time head coach into this Jaguars mess. I want a guy who has built a program and had previous knowledge how to do so. Pederson has a Superbowl win to back up his way of doing things.
If we score Pederson I would have 0 issues.
Caldwell also is a very good choice. He made the trashy lions relevant
https://twitter.com/JaxonFil/status/1488...de%3Dfalse
Not a fan of coaches that so obviously, tank games.
Unless you get Baalke completely out of the building, he will find a way to snake his way back into making critical decisions. That guy is a weasel and cannot be trusted. The cancer needs to be completely removed or it will just keep coming back.