(01-25-2022, 03:32 PM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding Sean Payton we’d still have to send compensation to the saints it’s just not happening what ever dreams, ifs, buts, or maybes, anyone has , so don’t get your hopes up or you’ll only be disappointed
For the Jaguars to have a chance at convincing Sean Payton to become the team's HC, it's near certain that Payton would understandably want Trent Baalke out of the organization.
If Shad Khan would be willing to move on from Baalke under the condition of Payton being the team's HC, the combination of Trevor Lawrence, the # 1 pick in the 2022 Draft, and a very favorable salary cap situation, would give the Jaguars substantial advantages. This, compared to other teams interested in Payton's HC services.
(01-25-2022, 03:41 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2022, 02:38 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I agree. Also, while initially I was scared that Tom Brady was covering for his mistakes, I then realized perhaps working with Tom Brady would be great for Leftwich to learn from. I think having Tom Brady and Arians as the two people endorsing him should count for a heck of a lot.
Brady and Arians endorsing Byron is another way of saying they're trying to get rid of him. 
You do realise there are easier ways of getting rid of an unwanted OC, yes?
(01-25-2022, 03:07 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2022, 02:56 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Saints better stay away from Byron...
Haha. Stay away from my man.
They have experience facing him and he coached Jameis to perhaps his best season so it's a little scary.
(01-25-2022, 03:50 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2022, 03:07 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Haha. Stay away from my man.
They have experience facing him and he coached Jameis to perhaps his best season so it's a little scary.
Think Saints hire from within and promote Dennis Allen? I've seen that floated around a little bit. Also, Saints are currently 74 million over the cap with lots of aging vets. Not sure it's a dream destination.
(01-25-2022, 03:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2022, 03:50 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]They have experience facing him and he coached Jameis to perhaps his best season so it's a little scary.
Think Saints hire from within and promote Dennis Allen? I've seen that floated around a little bit. Also, Saints are currently 74 million over the cap with lots of aging vets. Not sure it's a dream destination.
Yeah that looks like a placeholder coaching gig to me. They'll be hiring again in a year or two in my estimation.
(01-25-2022, 03:43 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2022, 03:36 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Josh Allen and Justin Herbert once established probably aren't helping create coaching vacancies on their teams any time soon. I get your sentiment and how you arrive at it, but QB performance isn't determined in a vacuum. There are others involved that are partially responsible for his under-performance. I saw what I needed to see from him to believe he will develop into a top 5 QB in this league though. He stands tall in the pocket and climbs it and goes through his progressions and generally gets the ball out quickly. His mechanics are sound. He has wheels and uses them sparingly which is a good thing for his longevity, but can make plays if necessary when nothing else is there. He has a calm and confident demeanor when speaking. He has everything you want in your franchise QB hopefully for the next 15 years. If Payton wants another gig this year or next, he'll be hard pressed to find a better opportunity if he's thinking 10+ years out.
The Jags are one of the worst run organizations in the league. A "hopefully" top 5 QB doesn't override that.
Again, I can appreciate the wishful thinking regarding Sean Payton, but he isn't coming here.
No doubt it's wishful thinking, but Shad should be doing or have done his due diligence on that situation before making a hiring decision. I would think if Payton were to be traded, he wouldn't go about it by retiring first, he'd either talk to Saints ownership or have his agent talk to teams with vacancies or both and the trade would be worked out without him retiring.
(01-25-2022, 03:53 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2022, 03:50 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]They have experience facing him and he coached Jameis to perhaps his best season so it's a little scary.
Think Saints hire from within and promote Dennis Allen? I've seen that floated around a little bit. Also, Saints are currently 74 million over the cap with lots of aging vets. Not sure it's a dream destination.
Dennis Allen and Lions DC Aaron Glenn, who was the Saints DB Coach from the 2016 to 2020 season, immediately came to mind as prime candidates for the Saints HC position. Glenn has already demonstrated that he's willing and eager to handle challenging situations.
(01-25-2022, 03:48 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2022, 03:32 PM)Craigukjag Wrote: [ -> ]Regarding Sean Payton we’d still have to send compensation to the saints it’s just not happening what ever dreams, ifs, buts, or maybes, anyone has , so don’t get your hopes up or you’ll only be disappointed
For the Jaguars to have a chance at convincing Sean Payton to become the team's HC, it's near certain that Payton would understandably want Trent Baalke out of the organization.
If Shad Khan would be willing to move on from Baalke under the condition of Payton being the team's HC, the combination of Trevor Lawrence, the # 1 pick in the 2022 Draft, and a very favorable salary cap situation, would give the Jaguars substantial advantages. This, compared to other teams interested in Payton's HC services.
Payton would be my number one choice but there's zero percent chance it happens. I think you're right about what he would want(and I would endorse it for what it's worth) but I would have thought he would have left the Saints earlier if we were truly interested.
(01-25-2022, 04:03 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2022, 03:48 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]For the Jaguars to have a chance at convincing Sean Payton to become the team's HC, it's near certain that Payton would understandably want Trent Baalke out of the organization.
If Shad Khan would be willing to move on from Baalke under the condition of Payton being the team's HC, the combination of Trevor Lawrence, the # 1 pick in the 2022 Draft, and a very favorable salary cap situation, would give the Jaguars substantial advantages. This, compared to other teams interested in Payton's HC services.
Payton would be my number one choice but there's zero percent chance it happens. I think you're right about what he would want(and I would endorse it for what it's worth) but I would have thought he would have left the Saints earlier if we were truly interested.
You easily could be correct that Sean Payton would have left the Saints earlier than today if he truly had interest in the Jaguars or another specific HC opening. Yet, there's also the possibility that it was very difficult for Payton to move on from the Saints organization and the New Orleans area after 15 years as Saints HC. This is even with a likely rebuild ahead. Payton, along with Drew Brees, will likely always remain primary faces of the Saints Franchise.
I mean it's a little strange no team has hired a head coach at this point right? Most dominoes started falling mid January last year and usually do around that time if memory serves. It doesn't feel like every team is targeting the same guy, though they probably would with Payton if he made himself available. Did league circles know he was considering leaving and slow rolling their interview process to see if it happened?
I cannot tell if all the lack of noise around the Jaguars head coach preferences is a good thing or a bad thing.
(01-25-2022, 04:26 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I mean it's a little strange no team has hired a head coach at this point right? Most dominoes started falling mid January last year and usually do around that time if memory serves. It doesn't feel like every team is targeting the same guy, though they probably would with Payton if he made himself available. Did league circles know he was considering leaving and slow rolling their interview process to see if it happened?
Well, no. The majority of candidates people wanted were in the playoffs.
(01-25-2022, 04:26 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I mean it's a little strange no team has hired a head coach at this point right? Most dominoes started falling mid January last year and usually do around that time if memory serves. It doesn't feel like every team is targeting the same guy, though they probably would with Payton if he made himself available. Did league circles know he was considering leaving and slow rolling their interview process to see if it happened?
Shockingly, the only hiring GM or HC domino that fell as of a few minutes ago is the Giants GM position. What you mentioned regarding Sean Payton more likely than not is the case with one or more teams.
With Senior Bowl week beginning on Sunday, the hirings will very likely be coming in bunches soon.
(01-25-2022, 04:38 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2022, 04:26 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I mean it's a little strange no team has hired a head coach at this point right? Most dominoes started falling mid January last year and usually do around that time if memory serves. It doesn't feel like every team is targeting the same guy, though they probably would with Payton if he made himself available. Did league circles know he was considering leaving and slow rolling their interview process to see if it happened?
Well, no. The majority of candidates people wanted were in the playoffs.
And interviews started the last couple of weeks of the season and during bye weeks. Leftwich, Hackett, Daboll and Bowles just became available. Many of the other candidates have been available for some time. All 8 teams with vacancies prior to today don't appear to be all in on just those 4 guys. Regardless of the reason, it has been the slowest hiring cycle I can remember with the first domino not having fallen thru 1/24. Maybe that changes tonight.
(01-25-2022, 04:03 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2022, 03:48 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]For the Jaguars to have a chance at convincing Sean Payton to become the team's HC, it's near certain that Payton would understandably want Trent Baalke out of the organization.
If Shad Khan would be willing to move on from Baalke under the condition of Payton being the team's HC, the combination of Trevor Lawrence, the # 1 pick in the 2022 Draft, and a very favorable salary cap situation, would give the Jaguars substantial advantages. This, compared to other teams interested in Payton's HC services.
Payton would be my number one choice but there's zero percent chance it happens. I think you're right about what he would want(and I would endorse it for what it's worth) but I would have thought he would have left the Saints earlier if we were truly interested.
Isn't he still technically under contract? As in you would have to get permission from the Saints or trade to hire him for this year.
(01-25-2022, 02:49 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Khan has to talk to Payton. Make him the highest paid coach
It's not that simple. The buyout would be incredible and most likely include draft picks going to the Saints. He's still on contract with the Saints through 2024 should he remain coaching.
(01-25-2022, 03:44 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://twitter.com/MoveTheSticks/status...79971?s=20
I would 100% be calling about some of their players.
Also. 0% chance Payton would come to the Jaguars. Not only would the Jags need to compensate the Saints (Jags need all the draft picks they can get), he's only doing this because he truly needs to step away.
I'd say Armstead will definitely be leaving now. Jags definitely need to make him a nice offer. Unlikely he'd choose Jacksonville, but he'd be my number 1 target by far.
(01-25-2022, 03:10 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Payton is going to take time off. You don't leave a job after 15 years especially a great franchise like the saints unless you need some time off. My gut feelings but hey.
After watching his QB situation deteriorate so drastically since Brees left and Winston got hurt, most coaches would be checking into the Betty Ford Clinic right now. Hopefully he got his medical marijuana card after the Winston injury because I'm most certain bourbon wouldn't be strong enough to deal with Taysom Hill, Trevor Simien, and Ian Book as your QBS
(01-25-2022, 04:41 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]Shockingly, the only hiring GM or HC domino that fell as of a few minutes ago is the Giants GM position.
Have you ever really watched 1 domino fall? not too exciting. lol
(01-25-2022, 05:02 PM)rpr52121 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2022, 04:03 PM)CanDoBetter Wrote: [ -> ]Payton would be my number one choice but there's zero percent chance it happens. I think you're right about what he would want(and I would endorse it for what it's worth) but I would have thought he would have left the Saints earlier if we were truly interested.
Isn't he still technically under contract? As in you would have to get permission from the Saints or trade to hire him for this year.
Yes Yes Yes -- he is under contract through 2024 so the Saints have rights to him until then if they'd like.
(01-25-2022, 05:27 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (01-25-2022, 04:41 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]Shockingly, the only hiring GM or HC domino that fell as of a few minutes ago is the Giants GM position.
Have you ever really watched 1 domino fall? not too exciting. lol
It reminds me of the long build up to the annual Kentucky Derby. And then in a little over 2 minutes the actual race is over. lol