(01-03-2022, 08:41 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2022, 07:56 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]So the possibility of hiring a coach who has won a Super Bowl within the last 5 years, who has developed a QB, who won with Foles, who is familiar with Mike Holmgren's/Andy Reid's WCO system doesn't excite you?
Now does the looming ineptitude of Baalke tend to mitigate that excitement? Yes.
Does Baalke's presence reduce the chances of landing a guy like Pederson, thereby reducing the excitement over a guy like him?
Sure.
But in a vacuum, the thought of Pederson coaching this team is really exciting. I was pushing for him since last year.
Pederson also was the one who hired Reich so it seems he can choose good assistant coaches too.
I’m fine with Pederson.
Considering how every single position on our team either took a step back or, at minimum, did not make any forward progress, that particular skill set (picking good assistant coaches) cannot be over valued.
I'm reminded of the old board debates involving TMD about whether coaching or players are most impoortant.
Both are critical to success or failure of a team.
Sadly, we are experiencing the worst end of that spectrum.
(01-03-2022, 07:56 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2022, 11:56 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]None of the options are really all that exciting. And this dumpster fire seems like too big of a job for a young coach without much experience in a significant role.
So the possibility of hiring a coach who has won a Super Bowl within the last 5 years, who has developed a QB, who won with Foles, who is familiar with Mike Holmgren's/Andy Reid's WCO system doesn't excite you?
Now does the looming ineptitude of Baalke tend to mitigate that excitement? Yes.
Does Baalke's presence reduce the chances of landing a guy like Pederson, thereby reducing the excitement over a guy like him?
Sure.
But in a vacuum, the thought of Pederson coaching this team is really exciting. I was pushing for him since last year.
Maybe I'm just jaded and bitter but I don't find Pederson overly exciting. I'd be fine with him. If I ranked the candidates he would be near the top (if not the top). But excited I am not. Yes he won a Super Bowl at Philly but it felt like he was trending downward over his time there. And I know there were questions about him and Wentz having a falling out (did we ever find out what exactly happened with that). And in his 8 years as being an OC or head coach, 5 of those years his team was in the bottom third in yards. And only once top 10. In those 8 years, the defense was better than his offense in almost of them. Would he get that luxury with the Jags? I don't know. But no he doesn't get me extremely excited. However, I don't think he is a bad option. If he could consistently get us to 9-8 each year, I'd take it in a heartbeat. At the end of the day we just need someone who can make us competitive on a week to week basis and have us playing meaningful games in December. That shouldn't be a tall order but it is the jags.
(01-03-2022, 07:56 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]Does Baalke's presence reduce the chances of landing a guy like Pederson, thereby reducing the excitement over a guy like him?
From a handful of tweets and Dilla's podcast appearance, it would appear the opposite is true. Pederson and Baalke are long time friends and if we hire Pederson it significantly increases the odds that Baalke sticks around, Dilla even said it guaranteed it.
I wouldn't go that far, but if it is true then Pederson becomes an unacceptable option and if it's false then Pederson is one of the best options. Simple as that to me.
(12-29-2021, 05:23 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]No Daboll? Why?
because our D is poop, and look what his offense did against poop?
I dunno, just spitballing.
I'd give him a call, at the very least.
(12-29-2021, 09:57 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Eberflus' background and "come up" kind of reminds me of Mike Smith.
Again, my concern would be who he has in mind offensively if he were to land the head coaching job.
Would he be able to poach Press Taylor or Mike Groh from Frank Reich and promote them here to run the offense?
If so, it's tempting.
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Speaking of, I looked him up, and Smith hasn't coached since 2018. Not sure if that's because he's decided not to pursue any longer or what, but I'd be fine if we gave him a holler, too. His Falcon teams did well, but I don't know if he could assemble a current/modern staff of coaches if he's been out of the gig for so long.
(12-30-2021, 02:33 PM)MIJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if anything should be made of the fact that Leftwich wasn't named Arians replacement while he has Covid. Seems to me that if Arians wanted Leftwich to get a shot he would give him a shot (no matter how small). I know it's not a huge deal, but slightly interesting.
Usually they don't promote the OC/DC into HC. It's usually the ST coach (experience with players on both sides of the ball) or a lower assistant so that the coordinators can focus on gameplan.
Now if the Bucs were out of contention and they wanted to let him have an audition, maybe. But where they stand/stood, his focus was on making that offense work.
(01-03-2022, 12:48 AM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (01-02-2022, 10:34 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]if they are such great coaches why were they fired for?
If Belichick was such a good coach what was he fired for?
Art Modell was a human douche nozzle, for one.
But, to counter-argue myself, BB did himself no favors before he and TB aligned.
(01-03-2022, 11:47 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2022, 12:48 AM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]If Belichick was such a good coach what was he fired for?
Art Modell was a human douche nozzle, for one.
But, to counter-argue myself, BB did himself no favors before he and TB aligned.
And now look at what he's doing with Mac Jones. He is showing that he can win without Tom Brady. Bill Belichick, whether you hate him or not, is arguably the greatest HC of all time. And he was fired.
(01-03-2022, 11:47 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2022, 12:48 AM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]If Belichick was such a good coach what was he fired for?
Art Modell was a human douche nozzle, for one.
But, to counter-argue myself, BB did himself no favors before he and TB aligned.
Douche nozzle two days in a row?!
Hearing word that Khan was "wowed" by interview with Pederson.
Might be where we end up, but lots of interviews to go.
(01-03-2022, 12:53 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Hearing word that Khan was "wowed" by interview with Pederson.
Might be where we end up, but lots of interviews to go.
I think we've learned to be distrustful of Khan's interview impressions.
(01-03-2022, 12:56 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2022, 12:53 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Hearing word that Khan was "wowed" by interview with Pederson.
Might be where we end up, but lots of interviews to go.
I think we've learned to be distrustful of Khan's interview impressions.
Anyone: "The reason it's called a football is because the ball from tip to tip is a foot long"
Khan: "Woooooow"
(01-03-2022, 12:56 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2022, 12:53 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Hearing word that Khan was "wowed" by interview with Pederson.
Might be where we end up, but lots of interviews to go.
I think we've learned to be distrustful of Khan's interview impressions.
I am not guaranteeing anything just am the messenger.
I would be happy with Pederson.
(01-03-2022, 12:53 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Hearing word that Khan was "wowed" by interview with Pederson.
Might be where we end up, but lots of interviews to go.
That's the worst reaction he can have. He shouldn't be "wowed" by anyone. He needs to be coldly skeptical and analytical. Getting "wowed" just means he's easily impressed and has some sort of emotional reaction. But by now, Khan should realize, he doesn't know enough about football to trust any kind of "wow" reaction.
He needs to look back at previous experience. Was he "wowed" by Dave Caldwell, or Gus Bradley, or Doug Marrone, or Tom Coughlin, or Urban Meyer (yes he was wowed by Urban Meyer). So he needs to learn, his "wow" reaction doesn't mean a thing.
I’ll take it with Pederson.
(01-03-2022, 01:15 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2022, 12:53 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Hearing word that Khan was "wowed" by interview with Pederson.
Might be where we end up, but lots of interviews to go.
That's the worst reaction he can have. He shouldn't be "wowed" by anyone. He needs to be coldly skeptical and analytical. Getting "wowed" just means he's easily impressed and has some sort of emotional reaction. But by now, Khan should realize, he doesn't know enough about football to trust any kind of "wow" reaction.
He needs to look back at previous experience. Was he "wowed" by Dave Caldwell, or Gus Bradley, or Doug Marrone, or Tom Coughlin, or Urban Meyer (yes he was wowed by Urban Meyer). So he needs to learn, his "wow" reaction doesn't mean a thing.
I wouldn't be surprised if he's never had an extended interaction with a coach as good as Pedersen seems to be.
There's nothing wrong with being impressed, I'd hope the guy he hires does impress him.
As long as part of the wowing was Khan saying "wow I thought you would want to keep Baalke but I am pleased to hear you want to fire him on the spot."
(01-03-2022, 01:38 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]As long as part of the wowing was Khan saying "wow I thought you would want to keep Baalke but I am pleased to hear you want to fire him on the spot."
This!!
Only way i would want pederson
(01-03-2022, 12:21 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2022, 11:47 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Art Modell was a human douche nozzle, for one.
But, to counter-argue myself, BB did himself no favors before he and TB aligned.
And now look at what he's doing with Mac Jones. He is showing that he can win without Tom Brady. Bill Belichick, whether you hate him or not, is arguably the greatest HC of all time. And he was fired.
The question is why was he fired, not is he the GOAT. I made no statements as to his present ability. When he was fired, it was partly because Art Modell was a cheap bastard and partly because he was not coaching at the level he is presently. Having a QB like Tawmy in place afforded him time and experience to develop his skills. He is extensively knowledgeable about the rules, and how to exploit them for his team's gain. He knows how to get the best out of his players and coaches. Because he's won, he has the full trust of everyone on his team.
Back in the day when he was fired, that wasn't the case.
(01-03-2022, 12:41 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-03-2022, 11:47 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Art Modell was a human douche nozzle, for one.
But, to counter-argue myself, BB did himself no favors before he and TB aligned.
Douche nozzle two days in a row?!
that's absolutely not the words I prefer to use, but I like that 0% warning level.