(01-17-2022, 01:34 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2022, 12:23 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]I went to youtube and watched several press conferences with Byron Leftwich this morning, and one thing I have to say is, he still uses bad grammar. Like, "We don't have no excuses..." I don't know if this will hold him back, but if he becomes our head coach, and we lose a few games, his bad grammar will be a target for the people who dislike him.
Lol
I’m sure the people who attack his grammar are good people too…..
I hope he didn't have his hat backwards or walk funny too...
If bad grammar is what people are going to talk about, that might mean he's been pretty good at everything else.
I'd be fine with a coach who can barely speak english as long as he makes the team better.
(01-17-2022, 02:39 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2022, 01:50 PM)GridIronGrampa Wrote: [ -> ]It’s time for Jags fans to take a much deeper look at the Organization. The most serious problem the team has is it’s owner. A great team starts with the owner and the organization he puts together. I grew up in Kansas City when Lamar Hunt owned the Chiefs. I watched this club go from super bowl champion to losers and back again. I lived in Pittsburgh for 15 years. The Rooney family has always had ownership in this club. I also watched them go from unbeatable champions to also rans and back again. One thing they both had in common was a great organization/ownership partnership. Without this you will never EVER become a great team. I don’t care who coaches it, how many number one draft picks you have or how many pro bowlers play for you. Based on comments from multiple sources on the internet, the Jags do not have this and this has been proven by the exodus of players and the reluctance of talented players and coaches to come here. If you look at the history of teams like Cleveland or Detroit(there are many that share this problem), you will see weak organizations and well intentioned but owners ignorant of the game if football and how to build a championship team and keep it performing well. No offense to Mr. Khan, he is a brilliant businessman but completely lacks the knowledge and experience in organizing and running a strong NFL franchise. Until we the fans recognize and understand this, we will be doomed to wake up with Bill Murray in Punxsatawney and watch the same nightmare over and over and over. Time to wake up Jax. We deserve better. I do not want spend the rest of my years watching this train wreck.
Awesome, Grandpa! So what's the plan of attack?
A fanbase wide cohesive effort to communicate with Mr. Khan that we cannot continue to support the Jaguars organization unless changes are made now. In all successful organizations, change starts at the top. If he is committed to building a championship organization, he must start with himself. He must rely of better qualified people to advise him. Start with a search for a seasoned and respected General Manager/President with solid NFL credentials who reports directly and only to Mr. Khan. This is the most critical role outside of ownership. The interplay between the owner and this position is critical to the future of the Jags. When head coaching prospects publicly state that they have no interest in working for the Jags, you have a BIG problem. In 2017 we had a Superbowl team without a Superbowl organization.
There are plenty of NFL teams on the rise that have overcome a losing tradition including the Cleveland Browns, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Cincinnati Bengals and others. It can be done. There are also teams that have not been able to overcome their losing ways like the Jaguars, Lions, and others. Plenty to learn from here as well.
The next critical step is to hire a seasoned NFL not NCAA head coach. And we do not need an unknown who may or may not be able to move u from assistant or Offensive or Defensive coordinator. The GM will play a key role here. Jags need to overhaul their player personnel group. They have been dismal in selecting talent. Many top ranked DO NOT rely on the draft. They have a first-rate talent organization that has found gold where others have not. Steelers fans out there can name the outstanding players that no one ever hear of like Big Ben Roethlisberger.
Bottom line of all this is, by supporting an inept organization that has failed to deliver the quality product that has been promised us year after year is the definition of insanity. Mr. Khan did not make his billions by delivering subpar products to the automotive market. He understands this.
If you love good football, it is time to demand it. We have been paying for it all this time. We have a great fan base. Stand up and speak out!!
(01-17-2022, 06:06 PM)GridIronGrampa Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2022, 02:39 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]Awesome, Grandpa! So what's the plan of attack?
A fanbase wide cohesive effort to communicate with Mr. Khan that we cannot continue to support the Jaguars organization unless changes are made now. In all successful organizations, change starts at the top. If he is committed to building a championship organization, he must start with himself. He must rely of better qualified people to advise him. Start with a search for a seasoned and respected General Manager/President with solid NFL credentials who reports directly and only to Mr. Khan. This is the most critical role outside of ownership. The interplay between the owner and this position is critical to the future of the Jags. When head coaching prospects publicly state that they have no interest in working for the Jags, you have a BIG problem. In 2017 we had a Superbowl team without a Superbowl organization.
There are plenty of NFL teams on the rise that have overcome a losing tradition including the Cleveland Browns, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Cincinnati Bengals and others. It can be done. There are also teams that have not been able to overcome their losing ways like the Jaguars, Lions, and others. Plenty to learn from here as well.
The next critical step is to hire a seasoned NFL not NCAA head coach. And we do not need an unknown who may or may not be able to move u from assistant or Offensive or Defensive coordinator. The GM will play a key role here. Jags need to overhaul their player personnel group. They have been dismal in selecting talent. Many top ranked DO NOT rely on the draft. They have a first-rate talent organization that has found gold where others have not. Steelers fans out there can name the outstanding players that no one ever hear of like Big Ben Roethlisberger.
Bottom line of all this is, by supporting an inept organization that has failed to deliver the quality product that has been promised us year after year is the definition of insanity. Mr. Khan did not make his billions by delivering subpar products to the automotive market. He understands this.
If you love good football, it is time to demand it. We have been paying for it all this time. We have a great fan base. Stand up and speak out!!
Didn’t Khan try what you suggested that would “fix” it? Coughlin?
(01-17-2022, 06:28 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-17-2022, 06:06 PM)GridIronGrampa Wrote: [ -> ]
A fanbase wide cohesive effort to communicate with Mr. Khan that we cannot continue to support the Jaguars organization unless changes are made now. In all successful organizations, change starts at the top. If he is committed to building a championship organization, he must start with himself. He must rely of better qualified people to advise him. Start with a search for a seasoned and respected General Manager/President with solid NFL credentials who reports directly and only to Mr. Khan. This is the most critical role outside of ownership. The interplay between the owner and this position is critical to the future of the Jags. When head coaching prospects publicly state that they have no interest in working for the Jags, you have a BIG problem. In 2017 we had a Superbowl team without a Superbowl organization.
There are plenty of NFL teams on the rise that have overcome a losing tradition including the Cleveland Browns, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Cincinnati Bengals and others. It can be done. There are also teams that have not been able to overcome their losing ways like the Jaguars, Lions, and others. Plenty to learn from here as well.
The next critical step is to hire a seasoned NFL not NCAA head coach. And we do not need an unknown who may or may not be able to move u from assistant or Offensive or Defensive coordinator. The GM will play a key role here. Jags need to overhaul their player personnel group. They have been dismal in selecting talent. Many top ranked DO NOT rely on the draft. They have a first-rate talent organization that has found gold where others have not. Steelers fans out there can name the outstanding players that no one ever hear of like Big Ben Roethlisberger.
Bottom line of all this is, by supporting an inept organization that has failed to deliver the quality product that has been promised us year after year is the definition of insanity. Mr. Khan did not make his billions by delivering subpar products to the automotive market. He understands this.
If you love good football, it is time to demand it. We have been paying for it all this time. We have a great fan base. Stand up and speak out!!
Didn’t Khan try what you suggested that would “fix” it? Coughlin?
Yeah, but Coughlin wasn't the right guy for it, and Khan did everything kind of [BLEEP] backwards... On top of that, his new EVP of Football Operations needed to lead the HC/GM search, instead of being saddled with the guys that were already here.
It's a nice dream, Grandpa. And, who knows, by the time Khan is done, perhaps the power structure inside the building will feel a lot like what you are looking for. Khan appears to be imagining himself in the "EVP" role though, not so much that he wants to control things, but he definitely wants to be kept in the loop on big decisions. There's no way in hell he wants to wake up to read the news that our reigning Walter Payton Man of the Year award winner was traded overnight for a lousy 5th round draft pick again.
(01-14-2022, 07:49 PM)MIJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]Serious question, who was the last coach that was a retread? Reid? I do not know the answer to that question, maybe that means that retreads are just as likely to fail as new hc's. They likely come with other issues and benefits, an issue I can think of is they may be stubborn because they know what works. A benefit could be that they know what works :-P
McCarthy and Rivera, probably. I think they were both hired in the same offseason.
(01-16-2022, 09:08 PM)NoShoes Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2022, 09:04 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]If that play call was on Kellen Moore then I've moved him behind Byron for sure. What a terrible play call.
Dumb take. Dak didn’t execute. Went too far and was horrible getting lined back up.
There was an article that listed a number of failings that went beyond that last play. The team collectively had the yips and gave away a winnable game at home.
(01-17-2022, 12:36 PM)Holger Wrote: [ -> ]Bad grammar, really …
There are mouthbreathers that will still reach for those low-hanging criticisms. Not saying that Marty is one of them, but he did raise a noteworthy point. When it comes to dealing with humanity, always safe to expect the worst. It's rare that you'll end up disappointed that way.
(01-17-2022, 01:29 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2022, 08:20 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]I can't help you if you're a moron and don't recognize the fact. I can feel sympathy for your plight, but I'm unable to help, unfortunately. I'm on the internet so I can't expect much more and I have no one but myself to blame for engaging on a forum filled with troglodytes and group thinkers. Still, you do provide humourous moments amongst your tiresome mean girls routine.
I really had trouble following your last post as well. It just seemed disjointed and rambling, so I kind of had to read each word slowly and by the time I finished I wasn't really sure what I read. Does that make me a moron too?
Your last statement, in spite of being a bit hate-filled, was stated with much more clarity. If you don't mind, could you clarify the bolded? What fact are you referring to?
The fact that others don't agree with him?
I thought the response was perfectly valid - what examples do we have of a team that hires a coach, but forced them to retain assistants? Heck, the only carryover on Urbz' staff was Warhop and everyone around here threw their arms up in disbelief when he announced that retention.
(01-18-2022, 09:13 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2022, 09:08 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]McCarthy and Rivera, probably. I think they were both hired in the same offseason.
Interesting topic:
Quote:This century, 15 of the 22 Super Bowl championships were won by head coaches on their second job — from Bill Belichick to Andy Reid to Bruce Arians to Gary Kubiak to Pete Carroll to Tom Coughlin and Tony Dungy to Jon Gruden to Dick Vermeil,
https://denverfan.com/2096075/should-bro...ead-coach/
BoB would be on his second HC job...
/runs
(01-18-2022, 09:13 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting topic:
Quote:This century, 15 of the 22 Super Bowl championships were won by head coaches on their second job — from Bill Belichick to Andy Reid to Bruce Arians to Gary Kubiak to Pete Carroll to Tom Coughlin and Tony Dungy to Jon Gruden to Dick Vermeil,
https://denverfan.com/2096075/should-bro...ead-coach/
This was a big reason why McDaniels was my first choice as head coach. There is definitely a trend of second time HCs learning from their mistakes and going on to have great success.
There is a second part to that stat though, they have to have continued coaching inbetween those HC stints. The retreads that return to coaching after a sizeable time out of the game do not have success (I believe Vermeil is the only one out of dozens). That is what scares me about Caldwell (in addition to his age and health history). Pederson only had one year off and he was quite progressive to begin with so he would likely be fine.
(01-18-2022, 11:12 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2022, 09:13 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Interesting topic:
https://denverfan.com/2096075/should-bro...ead-coach/
This was a big reason why McDaniels was my first choice as head coach. There is definitely a trend of second time HCs learning from their mistakes and going on to have great success.
There is a second part to that stat though, they have to have continued coaching inbetween those HC stints. The retreads that return to coaching after a sizeable time out of the game do not have success (I believe Vermeil is the only one out of dozens). That is what scares me about Caldwell (in addition to his age and health history). Pederson only had one year off and he was quite progressive to begin with so he would likely be fine.
I wonder why this doesn't apply to GMs? You think it's possible Baalke learned from his mistakes too? Honestly, the thought makes me throw up in my mouth a little, but I found myself hoping that was the case during the last off-season when Khan and Meyer decided to retain him. Too much toxicity around him over the past few years to even make him a consideration in my eyes. Can't believe Khan is seemingly blinded to it all.
They sure love to keep the fans in the dark until the last minute.
(01-18-2022, 11:31 AM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]They sure love to keep the fans in the dark until the last minute.
Lol
It's definitely quiet on the coaching search front due to the playoffs.
I’ve heard Khan has his eye on a local high school coach with big aspirations.
(01-18-2022, 09:16 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2022, 09:08 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]McCarthy and Rivera, probably. I think they were both hired in the same offseason.
Arians is a retread.
But Arians was not fired from the Cardinals. He retired, citing health reasons.
The Cards under Arians finished their seasons as follows:
2013 - 10-6
2014 - 11-5
2015 - 13-3
2016 - 7-8-1
2017 - 8-8
It should be noted that the NFC West was pretty bad for most of those years.
(01-18-2022, 11:23 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder why this doesn't apply to GMs? You think it's possible Baalke learned from his mistakes too? Honestly, the thought makes me throw up in my mouth a little, but I found myself hoping that was the case during the last off-season when Khan and Meyer decided to retain him. Too much toxicity around him over the past few years to even make him a consideration in my eyes. Can't believe Khan is seemingly blinded to it all.
I haven't seen any evidence for or against that historically, so I suppose it may be possible. With Baalke in particular however he has already burned through two more coaches in two years (making 5 coaches in his last 5 years as GM). His first two FA periods and his first draft were absolutely godawful. This draft shows promise, but it's way too early to say for sure.
Overall, hell no his second stint as GM has not gone nearly well enough to say he has learned from his mistakes. He looks to be the exact same snake who sucks at his job and then throws everyone else under the bus when the heat gets turned up.