(01-16-2022, 11:20 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ] (01-15-2022, 05:17 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]There are other ex-players that fall into that general category. Would you consider McCardell or Brunell for the HC spot in Jacksonville? I would not at this point. People seem to be thinking that previous experience as a HC is a negative thing.
Of course there are. But neither Brunell nor McCardell have been as high as an OC on s coaching staff. Neither of them have been gushed about by a damn good head coach and HOF QB. None of them have players like Shady McCoy giving interviews about the kind of coach they are and how much they appreciate them.
There are a lot of factors. I'm not saying that HC experience is a bad thing. I'm on board for both Caldwell and Pederson as well. I'm simply pointing out that Byron has seen successful organizations firsthand and therefore knows what that culture looks like. And I think (correct me if I'm wrong) he would be our first HC with a super bowl ring in any capacity before they came here.
The point is he can hypothetically emulate winning culture a way Urban, Doug, Jack, etc. couldn't because he's seen it in multiple different places.
All indications are that Byron commands the room.
At this point, I’m all in on the Byron train. Lets make it happen.
(01-16-2022, 11:11 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I'm pretty sure the van announce head coaches before the playoffs are over. They have done it before. I know they have done it with New England plenty of times.
They cheat though...
(01-16-2022, 11:28 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2022, 11:20 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: [ -> ]Of course there are. But neither Brunell nor McCardell have been as high as an OC on s coaching staff. Neither of them have been gushed about by a damn good head coach and HOF QB. None of them have players like Shady McCoy giving interviews about the kind of coach they are and how much they appreciate them.
There are a lot of factors. I'm not saying that HC experience is a bad thing. I'm on board for both Caldwell and Pederson as well. I'm simply pointing out that Byron has seen successful organizations firsthand and therefore knows what that culture looks like. And I think (correct me if I'm wrong) he would be our first HC with a super bowl ring in any capacity before they came here.
The point is he can hypothetically emulate winning culture a way Urban, Doug, Jack, etc. couldn't because he's seen it in multiple different places.
All indications are that Byron commands the room.
At this point, I’m all in on the Byron train. Lets make it happen.
But he talks funny. He wears his hat backwards. He's lazy.
Bucs up 31-0. Have to imagine that only helps Leftwich's stock as a candidate.
Time to come home, Byron.
Now can the Bucs lose next week so we can officially hire Byron?
(01-16-2022, 05:13 PM)High Octane Wrote: [ -> ]Now can the Bucs lose next week so we can officially hire Byron?
"The Jaguars announced the hiring of back-to-back Super Bowl winning coach Byron Leftwich today..." has a pretty good ring to it.
(01-16-2022, 06:36 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2022, 05:13 PM)High Octane Wrote: [ -> ]Now can the Bucs lose next week so we can officially hire Byron?
"The Jaguars announced the hiring of back-to-back Super Bowl winning coach Byron Leftwich today..." has a pretty good ring to it.
Not bad, not bad at all.
(01-16-2022, 06:42 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2022, 06:36 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ]"The Jaguars announced the hiring of back-to-back Super Bowl winning coach Byron Leftwich today..." has a pretty good ring to it.
Not bad, not bad at all.
It's gotten to the point for me that if they DON'T hire him I'll be upset. Not to mention the fact they were pimping him during the game.
(01-16-2022, 04:11 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2022, 11:28 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]All indications are that Byron commands the room.
At this point, I’m all in on the Byron train. Lets make it happen.
But he talks funny. He wears his hat backwards. He's lazy.
Sniff, sniff. Smells strongly of sarcasm to me. LOL But that’s OK. We Like sarc
(01-16-2022, 06:44 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2022, 06:42 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Not bad, not bad at all.
It's gotten to the point for me that if they DON'T hire him I'll be upset. Not to mention the fact they were pimping him during the game.
Yea same for me. My man even wore a teal suit to the interview.
Something to watch for in the coming week/s, is if we bring him in for a 2nd interview and/or how many other interviews he takes. If he doesn't take many more interviews it maybe a little hint that he may have made a decision with a team but are waiting until after the playoffs to make it official.
May not mean anything either, but just a little something to keep an eye on.
Well, even though I was not in favor in the beginning, I would definitely prefer Byron over some of the other candidates.
(01-16-2022, 06:44 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2022, 06:42 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Not bad, not bad at all.
It's gotten to the point for me that if they DON'T hire him I'll be upset. Not to mention the fact they were pimping him during the game.
I'm interested in who they hire but I'm even more interested in how they hire. Does the new guy bring in his whole coaching squad? Does the front office change with him or does he come like UM and bring a couple guys but have to hire with Balke for everyone else?
It was obvious at the time when UM was hired that when Kahn said the coach would report directly to him and that Kahn would be involved in player hires that UM wanted to be free of Balke's control. But UM's coaching effectiveness aside, any incoming coach will be able to see how well that arrangement worked (or not). I think that when they hired UM the plan was for him to organise both on and off the field. I sure hope that when they the new coach it's not limited simply to what's happening on the field. There's so much need for improvement in the organisation I think they need to attract that unicorn coach who can win both the gameday challenge as well as transform the whole organisation's effectiveness. If they decide that everything was great but for UM then I think they'll hire the wrong coach.
(01-16-2022, 07:57 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2022, 06:44 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]It's gotten to the point for me that if they DON'T hire him I'll be upset. Not to mention the fact they were pimping him during the game.
I'm interested in who they hire but I'm even more interested in how they hire. Does the new guy bring in his whole coaching squad? Does the front office change with him or does he come like UM and bring a couple guys but have to hire with Balke for everyone else?
It was obvious at the time when UM was hired that when Kahn said the coach would report directly to him and that Kahn would be involved in player hires that UM wanted to be free of Balke's control. But UM's coaching effectiveness aside, any incoming coach will be able to see how well that arrangement worked (or not). I think that when they hired UM the plan was for him to organise both on and off the field. I sure hope that when they the new coach it's not limited simply to what's happening on the field. There's so much need for improvement in the organisation I think they need to attract that unicorn coach who can win both the gameday challenge as well as transform the whole organisation's effectiveness. If they decide that everything was great but for UM then I think they'll hire the wrong coach.
Wow
Serious question:
What year did you start following the NFL?
2020?
2019?
(01-16-2022, 08:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2022, 07:57 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]I'm interested in who they hire but I'm even more interested in how they hire. Does the new guy bring in his whole coaching squad? Does the front office change with him or does he come like UM and bring a couple guys but have to hire with Balke for everyone else?
It was obvious at the time when UM was hired that when Kahn said the coach would report directly to him and that Kahn would be involved in player hires that UM wanted to be free of Balke's control. But UM's coaching effectiveness aside, any incoming coach will be able to see how well that arrangement worked (or not). I think that when they hired UM the plan was for him to organise both on and off the field. I sure hope that when they the new coach it's not limited simply to what's happening on the field. There's so much need for improvement in the organisation I think they need to attract that unicorn coach who can win both the gameday challenge as well as transform the whole organisation's effectiveness. If they decide that everything was great but for UM then I think they'll hire the wrong coach.
Wow
Serious question:
What year did you start following the NFL?
2020?
2019?
So you actually understood that?
(01-16-2022, 08:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2022, 07:57 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]I'm interested in who they hire but I'm even more interested in how they hire. Does the new guy bring in his whole coaching squad? Does the front office change with him or does he come like UM and bring a couple guys but have to hire with Balke for everyone else?
It was obvious at the time when UM was hired that when Kahn said the coach would report directly to him and that Kahn would be involved in player hires that UM wanted to be free of Balke's control. But UM's coaching effectiveness aside, any incoming coach will be able to see how well that arrangement worked (or not). I think that when they hired UM the plan was for him to organise both on and off the field. I sure hope that when they the new coach it's not limited simply to what's happening on the field. There's so much need for improvement in the organisation I think they need to attract that unicorn coach who can win both the gameday challenge as well as transform the whole organisation's effectiveness. If they decide that everything was great but for UM then I think they'll hire the wrong coach.
Wow
Serious question:
What year did you start following the NFL?
2020?
2019?
I can't help you if you're a moron and don't recognize the fact. I can feel sympathy for your plight, but I'm unable to help, unfortunately. I'm on the internet so I can't expect much more and I have no one but myself to blame for engaging on a forum filled with troglodytes and group thinkers. Still, you do provide humourous moments amongst your tiresome mean girls routine.
Still hoping for an experienced HC for the Jags.
(01-16-2022, 08:20 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2022, 08:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Wow
Serious question:
What year did you start following the NFL?
2020?
2019?
I can't help you if you're a moron and don't recognize the fact. I can feel sympathy for your plight, but I'm unable to help, unfortunately. I'm on the internet so I can't expect much more and I have no one but myself to blame for engaging on a forum filled with troglodytes and group thinkers. Still, you do provide humourous moments amongst your tiresome mean girls routine.
Well played sir. It's nice to know there are more non sheep members on the board.
I think Byron is the popular pick but I feel like we need an experienced coach at this time.
(01-16-2022, 08:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2022, 07:57 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ]I'm interested in who they hire but I'm even more interested in how they hire. Does the new guy bring in his whole coaching squad? Does the front office change with him or does he come like UM and bring a couple guys but have to hire with Balke for everyone else?
It was obvious at the time when UM was hired that when Kahn said the coach would report directly to him and that Kahn would be involved in player hires that UM wanted to be free of Balke's control. But UM's coaching effectiveness aside, any incoming coach will be able to see how well that arrangement worked (or not). I think that when they hired UM the plan was for him to organise both on and off the field. I sure hope that when they the new coach it's not limited simply to what's happening on the field. There's so much need for improvement in the organisation I think they need to attract that unicorn coach who can win both the gameday challenge as well as transform the whole organisation's effectiveness. If they decide that everything was great but for UM then I think they'll hire the wrong coach.
(01-16-2022, 08:20 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (01-16-2022, 08:07 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]Wow
Serious question:
What year did you start following the NFL?
2020?
2019?
I can't help you if you're a moron and don't recognize the fact. I can feel sympathy for your plight, but I'm unable to help, unfortunately. I'm on the internet so I can't expect much more and I have no one but myself to blame for engaging on a forum filled with troglodytes and group thinkers. Still, you do provide humourous moments amongst your tiresome mean girls routine.
I'm just going to assume based on your flailing that it was 2019 or sooner.
I'm not sure how else to explain how you'd be so utterly confused about how NFL franchises operate.
I'm going to throw you a bone real quick and just make clear some of the confusion you expressed in your post quoted above:
- New HC hires hire their own coaching staff in its entirety 99.99999% of the time
- If they retain prior assistant or position coaches - it was agreed to early on in the process and it means the new HC likely has a genuine interest in the retained coached - they are not forced upon the new coach
- If a GM/Owner has to force a staff hire on a new HC - it's considered a bad fit for that HC and they probably just hire a HC that is aligned philosophically
- That thing you said was "obvious" is actually a rather convoluted version of the reality that Khan merely inferred he wouldn't let the new regime do what he allowed Coughlin to do - in other words - he'd need to sign off on personnel decisions to try to prevent another debacle (hint: it didn't work because he trusted Meyer and Baalke and they made bad decisions)
- Regarding the new guy coming with his own ppl or having to ride with Baalke - that confusion is understandable since Khan hasn't shown his cards regarding his intentions at GM. I'd expect that to become more clear after the postseason.
- Lastly - all that stuff you said that I've highlighted in red -- well -- that's a bunch of horse [BLEEP] sunshine and rainbows that doesn't really exist in the national football league except in documentaries when ppl blow smoke up each other's butts. The coach is the coach and he may have SOME degree of influence on culture and over-arching philosophy, but none of that [BLEEP] matters if he can't actually take a rebuilding roster and go win some meaningful games with it . Jaguars players comments post season on Meyer and what they want in their next coach supports those statements 100%.
If that play call was on Kellen Moore then I've moved him behind Byron for sure. What a terrible play call.
(01-16-2022, 09:04 PM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]If that play call was on Kellen Moore then I've moved him behind Byron for sure. What a terrible play call.
The pass into the sun?