(01-13-2022, 10:07 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 03:00 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/vi...e/dir/desc
Per usual. You're missing the point. The 49ers didn't have a top 5 QB and yet they 100% were a top 5 offense that season. You don't need a top 5 QB to have a top 5 offense.
(01-13-2022, 03:32 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]What the.... You're talking about a single player. Did I say Winston was a top 5 QB? You realize there's a difference between a player and a team.
What goofy [BLEEP] logic.
Or maybe he had a top 5 offense despite Winston?
You are the one who is missing the point. You are being inconsistent in your criteria. According to you:
If a quaterback is top 5 in yards but is the worst in interceptions, he's a bad quarterback.
However:
If a team is top 5 in yards but is the worst team in interceptions, it's a great offense.
I don't recall Rico ever using the word great to define an offense like that.
Yards and points scored, which are the factors used to rank offenses by pretty much everyone that ranks them statistically, puts that Tampa offense in the top 5. That doesn't make that offense 'great', it just makes it a top 5 offense in yards and scoring.
(01-14-2022, 09:24 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 04:47 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Wonder why the tinhorns cut ways already with their coach. I thought he was doing respectively well considering O'Brien completely butchered that team and Watson was out of the picture all year. Mills did a good job as a rookie QB. They were competitive in a lot of games.
Man, what is going on this year in the NFL? Flores was a head scratcher. This is an even bigger head scratcher.
Ahhh. Makes sense.
I heard they are targeting Jerod Mayo...they are so desperate to be NE south. Mayo may or may not be a decent coach, but I thought Culley was working out with the turd of a hand he was dealt. I fully expected them to be on the clock at season's end, goes to show I ain't the best prognosticator.
Personally, I think the Texans overachieved this year. Even in games they lost, they were pretty competitive for the most part.
(01-14-2022, 10:16 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 09:24 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I heard they are targeting Jerod Mayo...they are so desperate to be NE south. Mayo may or may not be a decent coach, but I thought Culley was working out with the turd of a hand he was dealt. I fully expected them to be on the clock at season's end, goes to show I ain't the best prognosticator.
Personally, I think the Texans overachieved this year. Even in games they lost, they were pretty competitive for the most part.
I completely agree. They were properly prepared for the season and every game I saw them in, which is why they whooped the Jaguars even though they appeared to be even less talented than us.
I hope coaches around the league make them pay for this move.
(01-14-2022, 10:16 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 09:24 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I heard they are targeting Jerod Mayo...they are so desperate to be NE south. Mayo may or may not be a decent coach, but I thought Culley was working out with the turd of a hand he was dealt. I fully expected them to be on the clock at season's end, goes to show I ain't the best prognosticator.
Personally, I think the Texans overachieved this year. Even in games they lost, they were pretty competitive for the most part.
Davis Mills surprised me with his play. I think he has the potential to be their franchise QB. Maybe like a Kirk Cousins type career. I think they would love to add Evan Neal to help protect Mills.
(01-14-2022, 12:07 AM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 11:06 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]That would work just fine if he got the situation stabilized, and had developed a young assistant HC like Leftwich.
Stop with the Leftwich as Asst HC stuff. That isn't happening.
I wouldn't leave the Bucs as OC to come be the Asst HC of the Jaguars. Lemme know when the HC spot opens.
I think he means a parallel situation in where we hire an Arians type and he grooms his own version of Leftwich. That's what my comprehension of his comments are. Could be wrong.
(01-14-2022, 10:46 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 12:07 AM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Stop with the Leftwich as Asst HC stuff. That isn't happening.
I wouldn't leave the Bucs as OC to come be the Asst HC of the Jaguars. Lemme know when the HC spot opens.
I think he means a parallel situation in where we hire an Arians type and he grooms his own version of Leftwich. That's what my comprehension of his comments are. Could be wrong.
No, you're correct. I don't like the idea of hiring anyone to be a HC for the first time. I think we have so much chaos and disfunction that we need someone with experience to stabilize things and stand up against Baalke. If we are talking about getting someone like Leftwich or Moore, I'd much prefer they served as an assistant HC under an experienced coach like Caldwell before moving into the HC role.
I also said I didn't think this would happen, unfortunately. And that's why I'm not thrilled with the notion of hiring Leftwich or Moore or any of the other OCs / DCs who are interviewing.
(01-14-2022, 12:07 AM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 11:06 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]That would work just fine if he got the situation stabilized, and had developed a young assistant HC like Leftwich.
Stop with the Leftwich as Asst HC stuff. That isn't happening.
I wouldn't leave the Bucs as OC to come be the Asst HC of the Jaguars. Lemme know when the HC spot opens.
Please read my previous comment:
For the record, I don't think Leftwich would take that arrangement. I'm just saying what I would prefer. We really need an experienced HC to straighten things up and establish some semblance of order right now. It's just not an entry level situation.
This all ties into my larger point that I don't want our next HC to be filling that role for the first time, whether it's Leftwich or anyone else.
(01-14-2022, 10:55 AM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 10:46 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]I think he means a parallel situation in where we hire an Arians type and he grooms his own version of Leftwich. That's what my comprehension of his comments are. Could be wrong.
No, you're correct. I don't like the idea of hiring anyone to be a HC for the first time. I think we have so much chaos and disfunction that we need someone with experience to stabilize things and stand up against Baalke. If we are talking about getting someone like Leftwich or Moore, I'd much prefer they served as an assistant HC under an experienced coach like Caldwell before moving into the HC role.
I also said I didn't think this would happen, unfortunately. And that's why I'm not thrilled with the notion of hiring Leftwich or Moore or any of the other OCs / DCs who are interviewing.
(01-14-2022, 12:07 AM)Charlie Sheen Wrote: [ -> ]Stop with the Leftwich as Asst HC stuff. That isn't happening.
I wouldn't leave the Bucs as OC to come be the Asst HC of the Jaguars. Lemme know when the HC spot opens.
Please read my previous comment:
For the record, I don't think Leftwich would take that arrangement. I'm just saying what I would prefer. We really need an experienced HC to straighten things up and establish some semblance of order right now. It's just not an entry level situation.
This all ties into my larger point that I don't want our next HC to be filling that role for the first time, whether it's Leftwich or anyone else.
As much as I'd like to be the team that takes a chance on Kellen Moore, he's just soo freaking young and has so very little experience. He's not even old enough to have gotten tired of clubbing yet!
Seriously, every time I see his face, the first thing that pops into my head is, "Aww, what a cute kid"!
(01-14-2022, 11:01 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 10:55 AM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]No, you're correct. I don't like the idea of hiring anyone to be a HC for the first time. I think we have so much chaos and disfunction that we need someone with experience to stabilize things and stand up against Baalke. If we are talking about getting someone like Leftwich or Moore, I'd much prefer they served as an assistant HC under an experienced coach like Caldwell before moving into the HC role.
I also said I didn't think this would happen, unfortunately. And that's why I'm not thrilled with the notion of hiring Leftwich or Moore or any of the other OCs / DCs who are interviewing.
Please read my previous comment:
For the record, I don't think Leftwich would take that arrangement. I'm just saying what I would prefer. We really need an experienced HC to straighten things up and establish some semblance of order right now. It's just not an entry level situation.
This all ties into my larger point that I don't want our next HC to be filling that role for the first time, whether it's Leftwich or anyone else.
As much as I'd like to be the team that takes a chance on Kellen Moore, he's just soo freaking young and has so very little experience. He's not even old enough to have gotten tired of clubbing yet!
Seriously, every time I see his face, the first thing that pops into my head is, "Aww, what a cute kid"!
Worked out well for the Rams. I think if he has a brilliant offensive mind, it may just work
So we just don't have a GM thread anymore?
(01-14-2022, 09:48 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 08:47 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]I think Leftwich may make a good HC eventually but there's a bit of risk with bringing him in. Shad can't afford another miss. Need to get someone with previous experience regardless of who the GM is.
I don't get this. So there's no risk bringing in someone with previous experience? If a guy is a good coaching candidate, he's a good coaching candidate.
There's always a risk but you have to minimize it if you can, especially in this case. A candidate with previous HC experience is just a safer bet IMO.
(01-14-2022, 12:41 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 09:48 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get this. So there's no risk bringing in someone with previous experience? If a guy is a good coaching candidate, he's a good coaching candidate.
There's always a risk but you have to minimize it if you can, especially in this case. A candidate with previous HC experience is just a safer bet IMO.
I couldn't disagree more. Just because a guy has previous experience doesn't make him any more qualified for this opening. I'd sure hate to blow an opportunity on the next great young coach just because we're looking for somebody that has prior coaching experience. Most of your recent quality hires have been young. I listed them somewhere.
(01-14-2022, 11:29 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]So we just don't have a GM thread anymore?
You mean the TV Series thread? Yeah looks like it's locked.
(01-14-2022, 12:41 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 09:48 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]I don't get this. So there's no risk bringing in someone with previous experience? If a guy is a good coaching candidate, he's a good coaching candidate.
There's always a risk but you have to minimize it if you can, especially in this case. A candidate with previous HC experience is just a safer bet IMO.
Prior coaching experience at LOSING. the best you can get is a mediocre coach or he would not be out there to be recycled. At least with getting a new up and coming offensive genius there is a blank slate. You could have something great there and not mediocre.
I tend to be risk averse so if I were making the decision I'm sure I'd lean towards someone with prior head coaching experience or had an extensive lengthy career as a coordinator. So I fully understand why I'd be hesitant to go after a guy like Leftwich or Moore who both seem too young an inexperienced. It feels like too big a job for someone with so little experience at all let alone experience being a head coach. On the otherhand, none of us are in the room during these interviews. And ultimately what you are doing is hiring a leader of men. Not just a leader for your players but the other coaches as well as being the face of your organization. Maybe Leftwich or Moore walks into those interview rooms and impresses beyond any expectation with their preparedness, vision for the team/organization, football IQ, etc... And they totally command the room. At some point all these other intangibles would completely override lack of head coaching experience. But none of us can make a truly informed argument because we aren't there.
I know this may be boring because the whole point of a message board is to throw your opinion out there, the arguing back and forth, brag when you're right, sulk when you're wrong, etc... but trying to figure out if the Bucs offense is really commanded by Leftwich or Brady as if that determines whether Leftwich is a great leader is kind of pointless. As fans it's easier to judge with someone who has extensive experience because you already know where they succeed and where they have flaws. So it's easier to pick apart someone like Pederson or Obrien because we've seen it. Whereas it's almost beneficial to be as inexperienced as Leftwich and Moore are because as fans we don't know what those flaws might be yet. It's just all hope.
Everyone we've heard that is in the running and interviewing, Obrien seems like the only obvious "no" to me because he has a spotty track record as head coach. Everyone else I have an open mind.
Dilla could be lead on. We will see if it is confirmed.
Stop the rest of the search and go all in on Byron please. Don't let another team get him while we are being thorough for the sake of it.
(01-14-2022, 12:50 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 12:41 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]There's always a risk but you have to minimize it if you can, especially in this case. A candidate with previous HC experience is just a safer bet IMO.
I couldn't disagree more. Just because a guy has previous experience doesn't make him any more qualified for this opening. I'd sure hate to blow an opportunity on the next great young coach just because we're looking for somebody that has prior coaching experience. Most of your recent quality hires have been young. I listed them somewhere.
Well we can agree to disagree. Under normal circumstances, I'd say taking a risk on an up and coming coordinator would be worth the risk but in the Jags case, they have to get it right. Getting someone with previous HC experience, who's proven they can be successful in the past is less of a risk than a hot name who has never been in that position before. Especially a pretty young guy like Leftwich.