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I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Tomlin ends up in Jacksonville.

(12-16-2021, 04:43 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-16-2021, 04:24 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Yes. Exactly.

If Byron is essentially a figurehead and Arians calls the plays and designs them, is Byron any better than Bienemy?

Byron is calling the plays.  Arians said that Byron is the only person he trusts to call the plays.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...fensively/

"Arians made it clear that he has delegated the offense to Leftwich."

Arians said, “I mean, people give me way too much credit because I don’t do sh-t, really. He does it all. He calls the plays. I’m really upset he didn’t get a head-coaching interview. . . . Byron didn’t even get a call, and I think people give Tom Brady and Bruce Arians way too much credit and not enough credit for Byron Leftwich.”

Yeah ive heard good thngs about Leftwich. When the Bucs were struggling last season and Leftwich had the playbook he wanted and Brady had what he wanted to run, i remember Brady saying they had a meeting and 2 days later Leftwich had changed the playbook to cater for them both and they went on to win the SB. Like hearing him listening to his QB and finding solutions. Guess that comes from playing the position himself.

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(12-16-2021, 04:22 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]Tennessee Defensive Coordinator Shane Bowen comes to mind as an intriguing option for the Jaguars HC position. Bowen will likely get at least one NFL HC interview this coming winter.  Bowen is only 35 years old and this is his first season in Tennessee with the Title of Defensive Coordinator.  However,  with Tennessee having arguably the worst injury situation in the NFL this season,  the results Bowen is getting on the Defensive Side of the ball,  is impressive.

Thats a great call and he has done a fantastic job. I cant praise the T*tans for anything but hes done a solid job.

From whats available or maybe available, id be very happy with Tomlin. Hes a guy who would actually try and change thr culture and a lot of ex players speak highly of him. Hes dealt with the divas like AB aswell.

I was calling for Bienemy before we hired Meyer last year. I think McDaniels would be a risky hire but i think his name wil be in the mix but i think he will stay in New England. I like what Kellen Moore has done and if you could find a solid experienced DC like the Rams did with McVay and Wade Phillips then it could work.

I do agree the GM hire ( Baalke has to go) is the important one and we need a GM and HC on the same page in terms of building a roster that fits the O and D we want to run.

My Christmas dream would be Shanahan but that ain't happening.

Has Tomlin ever demonstrated an ability to develop a quarterback? He started with a guy who had already won a superbowl.

(12-16-2021, 10:16 PM)jagman Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't be surprised if Mike Tomlin ends up in Jacksonville.

I would.

Josh McDaniels, Jim Caldwell, Tony Dungy,

The only thing I have against Eric Bieniemy is his past. From a PR standpoint, it would be a hard sell given how much shady stuff that went on around him a long time ago. From an X's and O's standpoint, I think he would be a good candidate, but you'd probably upset a lot of local advocacy groups if he was hired.

(12-16-2021, 08:32 AM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't understand everyone's obsession with Eric B. He doesn't even call the offensive plays. Why do you want him?????

You're puzzled by Bienemy, I don't get the leg humping for Daboll. Bills O has dropped off recently, they are almost 1 dimensional now with the biggest threat being Allen scrambles. Check the Buf message boards if you think I'm wrong. Yes hes a multiple SB champion, but as the assistant whatever on the Pats for most of them. OC of the Browns when they were one of the worst in the league. Pederson, Caldwell and even Leftwich have way more quality experience. Don't get it, and looks like fools gold to me.

(12-16-2021, 02:02 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-16-2021, 01:42 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]Oh Jesus Christ

Yeah, but how much does he know about football?

All of it

Those are my two. Pederson was successful even with a very meddlesome owner and GM. McDaniels is a master schemer who hung out with Brady and Darth Hoodie. He won’t get pencil whipped much like other coordinators.

(12-17-2021, 07:01 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]Those are my two. Pederson was successful even with a very meddlesome owner and GM. McDaniels is a master schemer who hung out with Brady and Darth Hoodie. He won’t get pencil whipped much like other coordinators.

I've said it before, but when Pedersen got fired in January he should have been put on a direct flight here by Khan. Hopefully he'd be interested at this point.

(12-17-2021, 07:01 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]Those are my two. Pederson was successful even with a very meddlesome owner and GM. McDaniels is a master schemer who hung out with Brady and Darth Hoodie. He won’t get pencil whipped much like other coordinators.

With Pederson, I want to know about the reports that he and Carson Wentz didn't speak to each other for 10 weeks during the season.  That demands some explanation.  

And with McDaniels, I would want to know why he thought he should spend a first round pick on Tim Tebow.  I also want to know why he accepted the Colts job and then backed out.

(12-17-2021, 07:11 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2021, 07:01 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ]Those are my two. Pederson was successful even with a very meddlesome owner and GM. McDaniels is a master schemer who hung out with Brady and Darth Hoodie. He won’t get pencil whipped much like other coordinators.

With Pederson, I want to know about the reports that he and Carson Wentz didn't speak to each other for 10 weeks during the season.  That demands some explanation.  

And with McDaniels, I would want to know why he thought he should spend a first round pick on Tim Tebow.  I also want to know why he accepted the Colts job and then backed out.

I can't imagine McDaniels coming here without also having personnel control, and Khan should not go down that path with another coach.

I'm looking for 4 benchmarks:  Have you developed qbs and/or schemed offenses to fit their strength; have your relationships with your qbs been solid; do you have significant NFL coaching experience; do you have experience as a head coach.

1.  Jim Caldwell.  For my taste, he is the leader in the clubhouse.  I reach out to him first.  If he says, "Yes," my search ends right there.  He is mature, even keeled, a winner, a proven coach who ticks all the boxes.

2.  Josh McDaniels.  He is the scheme adapter that every NFL OC should be.  My biggest question for him would be, "What the heck were you thinking with the whole Colts episode?"

3a.  Doug Pederson.  My preference for a coach after the first two becomes less enthusiastic.  My questions for Pederson would be, "What happened with your relationship with Carson Wentz?"  I would also need to evaluate his success level without Frank Reich on his staff.

3B.  Brian Daboll.  This year tarnishes his luster with many because of the one dimensional nature of the Bills offense this season.  I think that is more a function of lack of running backs (personnel) and not his ability.  He has developed Josh Allen and shown to be adaptable and innovative with his offense.

(12-16-2021, 10:37 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Has Tomlin ever demonstrated an ability to develop a quarterback? He started with a guy who had already won a superbowl.

is that the HC's job? I put that more on the OCs and QB coach. He's had a variety of offensive schemes work based on the personnel on the roster, and will likely be able to bring or draw good coaches to his staff.

You could say the same thing about Coughlin? Everyone here thinks he walks on water, but a lot of that team was already built before he got there.

(12-17-2021, 10:56 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-16-2021, 10:37 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Has Tomlin ever demonstrated an ability to develop a quarterback? He started with a guy who had already won a superbowl.

is that the HC's job? I put that more on the OCs and QB coach. He's had a variety of offensive schemes work based on the personnel on the roster, and will likely be able to bring or draw good coaches to his staff.

You could say the same thing about Coughlin? Everyone here thinks he walks on water, but a lot of that team was already built before he got there.

I think results have shown some head coaches, like Reid, manage to groom QBs into success, and some don't. I want a Reid, not a guy that acts tough in press conferences but who has never had a prospect show growth under him.

McDaniels is a great example of this, he's managed to win with guys like Cassell and Brissette, I've only seen Tomlinson win with a future Hall of famer that someone else groomed.

I have zero desire to bring Leftwich here as our HC. And frankly, I have no idea where all this sudden love for the guy is coming from. He sucked as a QB and he has Tom Brady as his teams QB now, who coaches himself. lol... I don't get it.

(12-17-2021, 11:04 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-17-2021, 10:56 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]is that the HC's job? I put that more on the OCs and QB coach. He's had a variety of offensive schemes work based on the personnel on the roster, and will likely be able to bring or draw good coaches to his staff.

You could say the same thing about Coughlin? Everyone here thinks he walks on water, but a lot of that team was already built before he got there.

I think results have shown some head coaches, like Reid, manage to groom QBs into success, and some don't. I want a Reid, not a guy that acts tough in press conferences but who has never had a prospect show growth under him.

McDaniels is a great example of this, he's managed to win with guys like Cassell and Brissette, I've only seen Tomlinson win with a future Hall of famer that someone else groomed.

He's developed plenty of guys on that roster. They end up a receivers factory, in particular. And their GM often lets those guys walk, and boom, the next guy is just as much a threat. That's a damn good system to have in place if you have a great QB at the helm.

Are you telling me it's a strike against him that he came to a team with an HOF QB in place, and they didn't give him a chance to replace him with his own developmental prospect?
IIRC he was a DC with the Vikes before he took the PIT job, so it's a bit of a reach to think that he'd be the ideal prospect to develop your QB.

(12-17-2021, 11:06 AM)Ronster Wrote: [ -> ]I have zero desire to bring Leftwich here as our HC. And frankly, I have no idea where all this sudden love for the guy is coming from. He sucked as a QB and he has Tom Brady as his teams QB now, who coaches himself. lol... I don't get it.

He did well with Jameis Winston too, though.