(01-12-2022, 10:45 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 05:27 AM)WYjagsfan Wrote: [ -> ]I actually don't mind Leftwich or Hackett. Brady and Rodgers both think highly of them which must count for something. Also for Leftwich Tampa had a top 5offence in yards and points before Brady arrived I think. Winston just threw it to the other team too much.
That's the under-statement of the year. He had 30 interceptions! The Bucs were the worst team in the entire NFL in terms of giveaways. The team had a losing record. I don't think Leftwich can brag about that season. His success as an offensive coordinator is exclusively with Brady.
Name a successful OC that doesn't have a good QB.
I'd prefer a HC with previous HC experience, but I wouldn't complain if they hired Leftwich.
(01-12-2022, 10:53 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 10:49 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]That's a good thing. It shows he can work with a star QB with a big ego. Not every coach can do that.
Oh, come on. Let's be real. Virtually anyone could coach Tom Brady. He's his own coach.
Bruce Arians even said how important Leftwich has been in bridging the gap between BA and Brady. Stop devaluing Leftwich based on the fact he is working with Brady. In a few years I bet you will say anyone can coach Trevor because he is his own coach.
(01-12-2022, 11:02 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 10:53 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Oh, come on. Let's be real. Virtually anyone could coach Tom Brady. He's his own coach.
In a few years I bet you will say anyone can coach Trevor because he is his own coach.
In a few years that might be correct.
(01-12-2022, 08:53 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 07:53 AM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]He wouldn't be my pick either but as HC he wouldn't be calling the plays, that would probably continue to be Schotty in that scenario.
The pluses would be that the players have confidence in him and seem to like playing for him. But so they did for Gus so...
Anyway, if they're going to make a clean sweep, then everyone needs to go. If Baalke's staying though, choices may be limited and they could do worse.
I agree with that. If it comes down to Bevell or BoB, I would definitely go with Bevell. And he wouldn't be calling the plays.
That would be the "we just need more and better players" choice. Continuity with the coaching and the schemes, Cullen stays, Schotty is the OC, etc. Maybe upgrade a few position coaches. Just no Urban Meyer.
Based on rumors and speculation, of course, it would also be the the "we can't find anyone else 'cause no one wants to work with Trent" choice.
Agree with this; and the continuity argument fits perfectly with Khan's past track record, for better or worse. And Cullen with better players would grow even more into a top DC, IMO; he could open up the playbook more and create more schemes. I also get the sense that Bevell is the type of personality that wouldn't be affected by a dysfunctional GM. Always upbeat, but in a realistic sense. Calming influence. Takes the high road when others go low. And seems to have the respect of the locker room.
(01-12-2022, 08:57 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2022, 05:59 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Ok so got some tidbits, again always always assume I am 100 percent wrong.
Apparently BoB’s interview was today and he did not do well. They were not impressed.
Apparently Leftwich and Pederson are still front runners but they still want to interview Quinn and Hackett.
Leftwich to me is best case scenario as he outright said he would bring in a new GM
So Rap is reporting that the Jags will interview BoB tomorrow….
This is correct. His interview Monday was shorter zoom meeting. Full, formal interview tomorrow
Expect these hires to suck. Have to hope the players develop and we can make it to mediocrity at least.
(01-12-2022, 11:15 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 10:35 AM)Dimson Wrote: [ -> ]I love it.
Per my source Leftwich commanded the “room” in his interview. Came in with a plan on personnel, and so on. Makes sense she’s moving up
Aren't you afraid you will get your 'source' fired?
Did Leftwich have an operation we aren't aware of? No trannies for HC pls.
(01-12-2022, 10:46 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 08:57 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]So Rap is reporting that the Jags will interview BoB tomorrow….
So much for SamusAranX's "source."
He did tell us to assume he was 100% wrong. But if he's 100% wrong, then wouldn't he be wrong about being 100% wrong?
You’re making my brain hurt!
All I get from sources are rumors. Some end up being true, a lot end up being wrong. I don’t trust them fully but it’s always interesting to throw them around and discuss
(01-12-2022, 11:18 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 11:15 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Per my source Leftwich commanded the “room” in his interview. Came in with a plan on personnel, and so on. Makes sense she’s moving up
Aren't you afraid you will get your 'source' fired?
Did Leftwich have an operation we aren't aware of? No trannies for HC pls.
Nope not at all.
And funny. I fixed my grammatical error
Byron: I have great plans for Trevor. First: I will teach him the wind-up mechanic. Second: Throw recklessly. 30 interceptions won't hurt if you have 30 TDs. And last: How to lose your spot on the team to a backup quarterback.
Shad: I think that....uh...that's really good. We made the right choice.
(01-12-2022, 11:25 AM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]Byron: I have great plans for Trevor. First: I will teach him the wind-up mechanic. Second: Throw recklessly. 30 interceptions won't hurt if you have 30 TDs. And last: How to lose your spot on the team to a backup quarterback.
Shad: I think that....uh...that's really good. We made the right choice.
This is pretty funny, and it makes you wonder why Leftwich didnt put the clamps on Winston after he hit, say, interception 15. I didnt see many Bucs games that year, so I cant personally judge how many were a result of loose playcalling or how many were just Winston slinging it without regard to INT's. of course, he allegedly couldnt see then, so...
(01-12-2022, 11:25 AM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]Byron: I have great plans for Trevor. First: I will teach him the wind-up mechanic. Second: Throw recklessly. 30 interceptions won't hurt if you have 30 TDs. And last: How to lose your spot on the team to a backup quarterback.
Shad: I think that....uh...that's really good. We made the right choice.
To be fair to Byron, how good you are as a player doesn't really impact your ability to coach. I'd take Sean Payton any day as HC, but his extremely short stint as a chicago bears QB was.... not good. Doug Pederson's time at QB wasn't much better, either. By which I mean they make Blaine Gabbert look like a Hall of Famer.
(01-12-2022, 11:25 AM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]Byron: I have great plans for Trevor. First: I will teach him the wind-up mechanic. Second: Throw recklessly. 30 interceptions won't hurt if you have 30 TDs. And last: How to lose your spot on the team to a backup quarterback.
Shad: I think that....uh...that's really good. We made the right choice.
You forgot to add to throw with the exact same velocity for every pass, regardless of distance to the receiver.
Leftwich has great potential as a coach and he will relate to players because of his age and understanding of the game. He loves football. Minshew will end up going the same route. Nothing wrong with having people around that love the game.
I don't have much optimism because we will go with continuity most likely and if it works out it will be against my expectations. I just hope it can be sustainable.
(01-12-2022, 11:59 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Leftwich has great potential as a coach and he will relate to players because of his age and understanding of the game. He loves football. Minshew will end up going the same route. Nothing wrong with having people around that love the game.
I don't have much optimism because we will go with continuity most likely and if it works out it will be against my expectations. I just hope it can be sustainable.
They all love the game, that’s why they’re there. However, the love of game doesn’t fulfill the managerial qualities that a HC must possess. Head coaches wear a lot of hats, which is why so few can do the job well. Xs and Os are just a slice of the pie.
(01-12-2022, 12:04 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 11:59 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]Leftwich has great potential as a coach and he will relate to players because of his age and understanding of the game. He loves football. Minshew will end up going the same route. Nothing wrong with having people around that love the game.
I don't have much optimism because we will go with continuity most likely and if it works out it will be against my expectations. I just hope it can be sustainable.
They all love the game, that’s why they’re there. However, the love of game doesn’t fulfill the managerial qualities that a HC must possess. Head coaches wear a lot of hats, which is why so few can do the job well. Xs and Os are just a slice of the pie.
Yep, I agree completely. That's the same reason I have for being concerned about Moore and all the rest of the OCs / DCs. As messed up as the Jaguars' situation is, I think we really need someone with the exoerience to come in and build things the right way.
(01-11-2022, 05:30 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]On 1010 they were saying Pederson is already sitting for interviews with other teams, which most likely indicates Jacksonville didn't float him a viable offer or he has decided he doesn't want to coach here - possibly because of Baalke.
My guess is we're going to see the best dominoes fall one by one until nothing but the bottom of the barrel remains, BOB or Bevell. If Khan insists on the stank of continuity, at least keep Bevell so TL isn't dealing with a whole new process.
perfect summation of my fears.
it's why I'm so perplexed by the whole "we let the coach decide whether Baalke stays or not". Other than Leftwich, I haven't heard any candidate name or associate themselves with any particular GM, and our approach is going to lead to one of two miserable solutions:
1) Baalke stays and we settle on a middling coach that can tolerate him
2) We hire a coach, then fire Baalke, and have to play catchup trying to find a GM that has not only failed to land a job but also willing to work with the coach
It's like we learned nothing from last year.
(01-11-2022, 05:59 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Ok so got some tidbits, again always always assume I am 100 percent wrong.
Apparently BoB’s interview was today and he did not do well. They were not impressed.
Apparently Leftwich and Pederson are still front runners but they still want to interview Quinn and Hackett.
Leftwich to me is best case scenario as he outright said he would bring in a new GM
you give us hope, and for that I thank you.
(01-12-2022, 12:08 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 12:04 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]They all love the game, that’s why they’re there. However, the love of game doesn’t fulfill the managerial qualities that a HC must possess. Head coaches wear a lot of hats, which is why so few can do the job well. Xs and Os are just a slice of the pie.
Yep, I agree completely. That's the same reason I have for being concerned about Moore and all the rest of the OCs / DCs. As messed up as the Jaguars' situation is, I think we really need someone with the exoerience to come in and build things the right way.
(01-12-2022, 12:10 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (01-11-2022, 05:30 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]On 1010 they were saying Pederson is already sitting for interviews with other teams, which most likely indicates Jacksonville didn't float him a viable offer or he has decided he doesn't want to coach here - possibly because of Baalke.
My guess is we're going to see the best dominoes fall one by one until nothing but the bottom of the barrel remains, BOB or Bevell. If Khan insists on the stank of continuity, at least keep Bevell so TL isn't dealing with a whole new process.
perfect summation of my fears.
it's why I'm so perplexed by the whole "we let the coach decide whether Baalke stays or not". Other than Leftwich, I haven't heard any candidate name or associate themselves with any particular GM, and our approach is going to lead to one of two miserable solutions:
1) Baalke stays and we settle on a middling coach that can tolerate him
2) We hire a coach, then fire Baalke, and have to play catchup trying to find a GM that has not only failed to land a job but also willing to work with the coach
It's like we learned nothing from last year.
(01-11-2022, 05:59 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Ok so got some tidbits, again always always assume I am 100 percent wrong.
Apparently BoB’s interview was today and he did not do well. They were not impressed.
Apparently Leftwich and Pederson are still front runners but they still want to interview Quinn and Hackett.
Leftwich to me is best case scenario as he outright said he would bring in a new GM
you give us hope, and for that I thank you.
This is why I say pair Leftwich with an experienced HC like Caldwell or someone else.
(01-12-2022, 12:16 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 12:08 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]Yep, I agree completely. That's the same reason I have for being concerned about Moore and all the rest of the OCs / DCs. As messed up as the Jaguars' situation is, I think we really need someone with the exoerience to come in and build things the right way.
(01-12-2022, 12:10 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]perfect summation of my fears.
it's why I'm so perplexed by the whole "we let the coach decide whether Baalke stays or not". Other than Leftwich, I haven't heard any candidate name or associate themselves with any particular GM, and our approach is going to lead to one of two miserable solutions:
1) Baalke stays and we settle on a middling coach that can tolerate him
2) We hire a coach, then fire Baalke, and have to play catchup trying to find a GM that has not only failed to land a job but also willing to work with the coach
It's like we learned nothing from last year.
you give us hope, and for that I thank you.
This is why I say pair Leftwich with an experienced HC like Caldwell or someone else.
I just don't see Leftwich leaving his current spot - working with Tom Brady, in the running for an SB ring every year - for anything less than a HC position. It would essentially be a lateral move, right?