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(12-16-2021, 04:14 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]1.-Bieniemy
2.-Daboll
3.-Kevin O'Connell

I"d be extremely happy with any of those 3

That is still my list. 

Moore imo is one of those guys that are better coordinator than HC... At least for now. 

Still think Leftwich is not ready yet. 

If we get BoB maybe he will trade Trevor and Josh Allen for a 3rd lol

Pederson is my choice

It's:

1A: Doug Pederson
1B: Jim Caldwell
2. Kellen Moore
3. Joe Lombardi

General Manager wise I would be happy with Rick Smith, Joe Horitz, Mike Borgonzi, Will McClay or Jojo Wooden.

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(01-02-2022, 06:09 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It's:

1A: Doug Pederson
1B: Jim Caldwell
2. Kellen Moore
3. Joe Lombardi

General Manager wise I would be happy with Rick Smith, Joe Horitz, Mike Borgonzi, Will McClay or Jojo Wooden.

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Caldwell would only be a decent choice if the goal is to add some semblance of competence.

Given his age, it's not likely he would be the answer for this team, and he may have to be replaced in 2-3 years anyway.

That doesn't even address the question of whether he is the best person to develop TL.

He's not a long term solution, and the revolving door would continue if we hired him.

Pederson remains my top choice, but I fear Baalke's continued presence will sabotage the coaching search, and we'll end up with a vastly inferior candidate.

It's going to be Pederson or Caldwell because they're the only ones desperate enough to take the job. Everyone else on the list of interviews is thriving in their job and isn't going to commit career seppuku coming here, Baalke or not. Please prove me wrong Shad.

(01-02-2022, 06:51 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It's going to be Pederson or Caldwell because they're the only ones desperate enough to take the job. Everyone else on the list of interviews is thriving in their job and isn't going to commit career seppuku coming here, Baalke or not. Please prove me wrong Shad.

Well the good news is they've both been to the Super Bowl and both have had successful runs. I'd be more inclined to take Pederson but I honestly would be happy with either.

(01-02-2022, 06:32 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-02-2022, 06:09 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It's:

1A: Doug Pederson
1B: Jim Caldwell
2. Kellen Moore
3. Joe Lombardi

General Manager wise I would be happy with Rick Smith, Joe Horitz, Mike Borgonzi, Will McClay or Jojo Wooden.

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Caldwell would only be a decent choice if the goal is to add some semblance of competence.

Given his age, it's not likely he would be the answer for this team, and he may have to be replaced in 2-3 years anyway.

That doesn't even address the question of whether he is the best person to develop TL.

He's not a long term solution, and the revolving door would continue if we hired him.

Pederson remains my top choice, but I fear Baalke's continued presence will sabotage the coaching search, and we'll end up with a vastly inferior candidate.

Agreed

(01-02-2022, 06:32 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-02-2022, 06:09 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It's:

1A: Doug Pederson
1B: Jim Caldwell
2. Kellen Moore
3. Joe Lombardi

General Manager wise I would be happy with Rick Smith, Joe Horitz, Mike Borgonzi, Will McClay or Jojo Wooden.

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Caldwell would only be a decent choice if the goal is to add some semblance of competence.

Given his age, it's not likely he would be the answer for this team, and he may have to be replaced in 2-3 years anyway.

That doesn't even address the question of whether he is the best person to develop TL.

He's not a long term solution, and the revolving door would continue if we hired him.

Pederson remains my top choice, but I fear Baalke's continued presence will sabotage the coaching search, and we'll end up with a vastly inferior candidate.

Given his various works with Manning, Stafford and Flacco I think short term is fine if it means over the next three years Lawrence is being shown the way to adapt to NFL defenses and how to operate within an NFL offense on a weekly basis.

By then, another coach should be able to step in if Caldwell is ready to ride off into the sunset. He may have his replacement already included on his staff if hired.

Pederson seemed promising. My concern is Baalke with him. Seems... extremely odd and off putting when I think about it. At this point, I echo your concerns.

Khan has already let off a wet fart and he's on the verge of [BLEEP] the bed once again for the fourth time in 10 years. At some point. He needs to step away from the process. He's the common denominator.

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I could find myself really getting behind Pederson as HC and Caldwell as Assistant HC/QB Coach. Caldwell probably wouldn't come back for anything less than a HC gig though.

We need somebody with proven success at developing QBs. Somebody with respect all around the league. Got to try and change the stink that's hovering around this franchise.

Moore is interesting as the young up and comer. With his lack of coaching experience though, I don't think throwing him into the current state of this Franchise would be a good thing for a first timer with the lack of experience.

(01-02-2022, 08:50 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I could find myself really getting behind Pederson as HC and Caldwell as Assistant HC/QB Coach. Caldwell probably wouldn't come back for anything less than a HC gig though.

We need somebody with proven success at developing QBs. Somebody with respect all around the league. Got to try and change the stink that's hovering around this franchise.

Moore is interesting as the young up and comer. With his lack of coaching experience though, I don't think throwing him into the current state of this Franchise would be a good thing for a first timer with the lack of experience.

Worked for the Rams with McVay. Working now for the Bengals with Taylor. Worked for the Cardinals with Kingsbury.

[BLEEP] it. Let's go with Moore or Leftwich. Give them a shot. Go all offense in the draft and free agency.



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(01-02-2022, 07:18 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-02-2022, 06:51 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It's going to be Pederson or Caldwell because they're the only ones desperate enough to take the job. Everyone else on the list of interviews is thriving in their job and isn't going to commit career seppuku coming here, Baalke or not. Please prove me wrong Shad.

Well the good news is they've both been to the Super Bowl and both have had successful runs. I'd be more inclined to take Pederson but I honestly would be happy with either.

if they are such great coaches why were they fired for?

I would prefer not picking up Moore as I think about it. Look at all the weapons the cowboys have on offense for this year. Then they have the defense to help make their offense look better by forcing the turnovers and forcing the opposing team to try to keep up. The opposing defense gets gassed as the offense would keep getting 3 and outs in an effort to keep up.

The same could be said about Leftwich for weapons but he was getting attention prior to joining the Bucs.

(01-02-2022, 10:34 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-02-2022, 07:18 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Well the good news is they've both been to the Super Bowl and both have had successful runs. I'd be more inclined to take Pederson but I honestly would be happy with either.

if they are such great coaches why were they fired for?

If the Patriots thought that about BB... or Giants about Coughlin...

(01-02-2022, 10:03 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-02-2022, 08:50 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]I could find myself really getting behind Pederson as HC and Caldwell as Assistant HC/QB Coach. Caldwell probably wouldn't come back for anything less than a HC gig though.

We need somebody with proven success at developing QBs. Somebody with respect all around the league. Got to try and change the stink that's hovering around this franchise.

Moore is interesting as the young up and comer. With his lack of coaching experience though, I don't think throwing him into the current state of this Franchise would be a good thing for a first timer with the lack of experience.

Worked for the Rams with McVay. Working now for the Bengals with Taylor. Worked for the Cardinals with Kingsbury.

[BLEEP] it. Let's go with Moore or Leftwich. Give them a shot. Go all offense in the draft and free agency.



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They all had far more coaching experience than Moore or Leftwich do though.

Zac Taylor..
Texas A&M (2008–2011)
Graduate assistant
Miami Dolphins (2012)
Assistant quarterbacks coach
Miami Dolphins (2013–2014)
Quarterbacks coach
Miami Dolphins (2015)
Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach
University of Cincinnati (2016)
Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach
Los Angeles Rams (2017)
Assistant wide receivers coach
Los Angeles Rams (2018)
Quarterbacks coach
Cincinnati Bengals (2019–present)
Head coach

Sean McVay..
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2008)
Offensive assistant
Florida Tuskers (2009)
Wide receivers coach
Washington Redskins (2010)
Offensive assistant
Washington Redskins (2011–2013)
Tight ends coach
Washington Redskins (2014–2016)
Offensive coordinator
Los Angeles Rams (2017–present)
Head coach

Kliff Kingsbury..
Houston (2008–2009)
Offensive quality control coach
Houston (2010–2011)
Co-Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach
Texas A&M (2012)
Offensive coordinator & quarterbacks coach
Texas Tech (2013–2018)
Head coach
Arizona Cardinals (2019–present)
Head coach

Byron Leftwich..
Arizona Cardinals (2017–2018)
Quarterbacks coach
Arizona Cardinals (2018)
Interim offensive coordinator
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (2019–present)
Offensive coordinator

Kellen Moore..
Dallas Cowboys (2018)
Quarterbacks coach
Dallas Cowboys (2019–present)
Offensive coordinator

I'm not saying it couldn't work, but man it'd be really, really risky to throw them into this situation.

(01-02-2022, 06:05 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Pederson is my choice

The more I look at it, the more I agree.

None of the options are really all that exciting. And this dumpster fire seems like too big of a job for a young coach without much experience in a significant role.

(01-02-2022, 10:34 PM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-02-2022, 07:18 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]Well the good news is they've both been to the Super Bowl and both have had successful runs. I'd be more inclined to take Pederson but I honestly would be happy with either.

if they are such great coaches why were they fired for?

If Belichick was such a good coach what was he fired for?

Take a coach who will get the offense scoring points and the rest will take care of itself. Jags need a guaranteed good offensive play caller. If they take a defense coach or a figure head coach who more of a ceo, who will that coaches offensive coordinator be? Will he be any good?

(01-02-2022, 11:56 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]None of the options are really all that exciting. And this dumpster fire seems like too big of a job for a young coach without much experience in a significant role.

So the possibility of hiring a coach who has won a Super Bowl within the last 5 years, who has developed a QB, who won with Foles, who is familiar with Mike Holmgren's/Andy Reid's WCO system doesn't excite you?

Now does the looming ineptitude of Baalke tend to mitigate that excitement? Yes.

Does Baalke's presence reduce the chances of landing a guy like Pederson, thereby reducing the excitement over a guy like him?

Sure.

But in a vacuum, the thought of Pederson coaching this team is really exciting. I was pushing for him since last year.

(01-03-2022, 07:56 AM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-02-2022, 11:56 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]None of the options are really all that exciting. And this dumpster fire seems like too big of a job for a young coach without much experience in a significant role.

So the possibility of hiring a coach who has won a Super Bowl within the last 5 years, who has developed a QB, who won with Foles, who is familiar with Mike Holmgren's/Andy Reid's WCO system doesn't excite you?

Now does the looming ineptitude of Baalke tend to mitigate that excitement?  Yes.

Does Baalke's presence reduce the chances of landing a guy like Pederson, thereby reducing the excitement over a guy like him? 

Sure.

But in a vacuum, the thought of Pederson coaching this team is really exciting.  I was pushing for him since last year.

Pederson also was the one who hired Reich so it seems he can choose good assistant coaches too.

I’m fine with Pederson.