(01-13-2022, 11:26 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 10:43 AM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]I guess I would put them in reverse rolls. Make Caldwell the HC and put Byron as the assistant HC. Let Leftwich learn from an experienced professional before he steps into the role when Caldwell retires.
That makes more sense to me than putting the student ahead of the teacher.
I think the problem would be Leftwich not accepting that since he is one of the hottest names and would just go somewhere that is offering the HC job.
He can't leave for a OC job and wouldn't do that for the Jags. He has to be the HC and Caldwell can be whatever title he wants and get paid whatever he needs. Caldwell just depends on if he can handle not being the HC and if Leftwich doesn't have an ego problem.
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(01-13-2022, 12:57 AM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Because this exact tweet was already posted and discussed 7 hours ago in the real HC thread, but you're too much of a little puss that you've blocked half the forum so you can't see it.
Why would we re-post and add our thoughts AGAIN on the matter, just because you think you need to feel important by making a new dumb [BLEEP] thread every day when there's already 4 of them to begin with.
...do we know if you can block entire threads? That might explain the whole redundancy thing.
(01-13-2022, 10:43 AM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 06:40 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ]I could get behind Byron with Caldwell in a mentor roll as well. Honestly might be the best case scenario, which sadly means it most likely won't happen.
I guess I would put them in reverse rolls. Make Caldwell the HC and put Byron as the assistant HC. Let Leftwich learn from an experienced professional before he steps into the role when Caldwell retires.
That makes more sense to me than putting the student ahead of the teacher.
....isn't that what he's doing under Arians?
He may not have assistant HC title, but I guarantee that any HC prospect is learning the ropes from their current boss.
Which would you think would be more beneficial to a new HC - a seasoned coordinator familiar with the responsibilities of a head coach, or a new coordinator who's never served higher than position coach or coordinator of one aspect of the offense? For a newcomer, I think it's very worthwhile to have someone working alongside that has been in your shoes - they can offer advice when you're facing challenges, take on some of the responsibilities to lighten your workload, and understand the nuances of ego, chain of command, and compromise in a room full of assertive minds.
(01-13-2022, 11:33 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Plenty of people are saying that they dont want a first time coach. Well someone like leftwitch and moore is going to get his first shot most likely soon. Instead of taking a recycling in for a coach maybe its smart to swing for the fences and get one of these really good offensive play callers. Once they get hired, there wont be another chance to grab one up.
Also, maybe the jags have their eyes on one of the coaches who is still in the playoffs. Maybe that coach could lose this weeked, and we can get on with it.
First time coach is not necessarily bad; but, they have to have some seasoned coaches under them or they may flame out quickly. Egos tend to run rampant in locker rooms, and a young coach is going to have to bust their hump to earn the respect of their players. Some of the more veteran coaches may have some of that clout already established. If your HC has already been to a SB or developed a team into a winner, their words are going to hold more weight than a young coordinator who's not had years of proof that their approach is the one that gets things done.
I think that's the consensus around here, though - if we do get a first-time coach, it's extremely important that the assistants are the guys that are going to immediately command the respect among the team. That affords the coach time to cement themselves as the voice of leadership. Kind of the whole "sign a vet FA to show the rook the ropes" type of move - the older coordinators may not be the five- or ten-year plan, but for the short term they help the coach ensure that the plan is given the appropriate time to achieve results.
(01-13-2022, 04:22 AM)Adub28 Wrote: [ -> ]They were talking on the radio that it could be Byron but Caldwell would be brought in as an Assistant head coach/Mentor to help Byron and hopefully a new GM. This I could 100% get behind, I sure hope the Baalke, BOB/Fangio rumor i isn’t true.
Does Byron even know Caldwell? I think Kellen Moore would need a mentor, too.
I think Caldwell would be a must with either of those guys to prevent Baalke from bullying them. If he's over Baalke, he could send that bozo to timeout or fire him.
If we hire Leftwich, I’d like to see him bring Kevin Garver over with him to be the OC. He was in the Athletic’s 40 under 40 list, which is their list of rising stars in the NFL.
He has been under Byron since Arizona and has worked under Nick Saban, Tom Moore, and Bruce Arians.
I would prefer Flores over leftwich. He has already been through the learning process
I will add though, it seems like the odds are tilting in favor of Byron right now. Perhaps he has learned enough working with Tom Brady and from his own days as a QB, to be an excellent guide for Lawrence.
(01-13-2022, 11:21 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 10:43 AM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]I guess I would put them in reverse rolls. Make Caldwell the HC and put Byron as the assistant HC. Let Leftwich learn from an experienced professional before he steps into the role when Caldwell retires.
That makes more sense to me than putting the student ahead of the teacher.
What has he been doing behind Arians?
Working the offense. As an assistant HC he'd be involved in all phases of the game.
(01-13-2022, 01:02 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]I will add though, it seems like the odds are tilting in favor of Byron right now. Perhaps he has learned enough working with Tom Brady and from his own days as a QB, to be an excellent guide for Lawrence.
Wasn't his Bucs offense top 5 with Jamesis at qb I think he's ready.
(01-13-2022, 01:54 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 01:02 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]I will add though, it seems like the odds are tilting in favor of Byron right now. Perhaps he has learned enough working with Tom Brady and from his own days as a QB, to be an excellent guide for Lawrence.
Wasn't his Bucs offense top 5 with Jamesis at qb I think he's ready.
It's not a top 5 offense when your QB throws 30 Ints
(01-13-2022, 01:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 01:54 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Wasn't his Bucs offense top 5 with Jamesis at qb I think he's ready.
It's not a top 5 offense when your QB throws 30 Ints
when you are scoring points the offense coordinator is doing his job. when the QB looks bad and the offense isn't scoring the OC isn't doing his job. The OC doesn't make the QB throw 30 picks at some point that is on the QB.
he did a good job in Arizona with Palmer, Drew, and Arians has gone on record saying he is calling the plays as He doesn't want to be involved in that as well as the HC.
Leftwich is smart he will be a great coach if not for us for someone.
(01-13-2022, 01:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 01:54 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Wasn't his Bucs offense top 5 with Jamesis at qb I think he's ready.
It's not a top 5 offense when your QB throws 30 Ints
4th in yards per game and 3rd in points per game.... How would you categorize that offense?
(01-13-2022, 01:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 01:54 PM)nhiverson Wrote: [ -> ]Wasn't his Bucs offense top 5 with Jamesis at qb I think he's ready.
It's not a top 5 offense when your QB throws 30 Ints
So, Leftwich threw the ball?
Winston has always been turnover prone. Always.
How is it not a top 5 offense when they statistically rank in the top 5?
(01-13-2022, 01:32 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 11:21 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]What has he been doing behind Arians?
Working the offense. As an assistant HC he'd be involved in all phases of the game.
Oh come on now.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-tampa-bay-b...fense-2021
The more I read up and look into how Tampa operates. The more promising and hopeful it appears with Leftwich. The problem is that you have to find the right players to make it work. Can Baalke make that happen though? That's the biggest catch and biggest concern.
(01-13-2022, 02:07 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 01:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]It's not a top 5 offense when your QB throws 30 Ints
4th in yards per game and 3rd in points per game.... How would you categorize that offense?
It wasn't top 5. They needed a better QB.
(01-13-2022, 02:08 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 01:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]It's not a top 5 offense when your QB throws 30 Ints
So, Leftwich threw the ball?
Winston has always been turnover prone. Always.
How is it not a top 5 offense when they statistically rank in the top 5?
(01-13-2022, 01:32 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]Working the offense. As an assistant HC he'd be involved in all phases of the game.
Oh come on now.
That's like saying Winston was a top 5 QB that year because of his yards and TD number but overlook his Int number. Blake Bortles was the 2nd best QB in 2015
(01-13-2022, 01:15 AM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ]![[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgWefSaI7GpA9y6QOSdfG...g&usqp=CAU]](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSgWefSaI7GpA9y6QOSdfGXI8FUtm0wEYlHDg&usqp=CAU)
You know what's funny? I've checked at times before, and it's like Einstein never really said that.
You know what's even funnier? If you think about it, that is a really good way to define 'practice'.
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