(01-13-2022, 02:44 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 02:07 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]4th in yards per game and 3rd in points per game.... How would you categorize that offense?
It wasn't top 5. They needed a better QB.
(01-13-2022, 02:08 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]So, Leftwich threw the ball?
Winston has always been turnover prone. Always.
How is it not a top 5 offense when they statistically rank in the top 5?
Oh come on now.
That's like saying Winston was a top 5 QB that year because of his yards and TD number but overlook his Int number. Blake Bortles was the 2nd best QB in 2015
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/vi...e/dir/desc
Per usual. You're missing the point. The 49ers didn't have a top 5 QB and yet they 100% were a top 5 offense that season. You don't need a top 5 QB to have a top 5 offense.
(01-13-2022, 03:00 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 02:44 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't top 5. They needed a better QB.
That's like saying Winston was a top 5 QB that year because of his yards and TD number but overlook his Int number. Blake Bortles was the 2nd best QB in 2015
https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/vi...e/dir/desc
Per usual. You're missing the point. The 49ers didn't have a top 5 QB and yet they 100% were a top 5 offense that season. You don't need a top 5 QB to have a top 5 offense.
No, you're missing the point. That's right, you don't need a top 5 QB to have a top 5 offense. If he threw say 60 INTs but they were top 5 in yardage you still think they had a top 5 offense? It doesn't matter to you how many times the offense/QB turns the ball over?
(01-13-2022, 03:12 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 02:44 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]It wasn't top 5. They needed a better QB.
That's like saying Winston was a top 5 QB that year because of his yards and TD number but overlook his Int number. Blake Bortles was the 2nd best QB in 2015
No it isn't.
Why isnt it? All you are doing is looking at a stat
(01-13-2022, 03:28 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 03:00 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/vi...e/dir/desc
Per usual. You're missing the point. The 49ers didn't have a top 5 QB and yet they 100% were a top 5 offense that season. You don't need a top 5 QB to have a top 5 offense.
No, you're missing the point. That's right, you don't need a top 5 QB to have a top 5 offense. If he threw say 60 INTs but they were top 5 in yardage you still think they had a top 5 offense? It doesn't matter to you how many times the offense/QB turns the ball over?
(01-13-2022, 03:12 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]No it isn't.
Why isnt it? All you are doing is looking at a stat
What the.... You're talking about a single player. Did I say Winston was a top 5 QB? You realize there's a difference between a player and a team.
What goofy [BLEEP]
logic.
Or maybe he had a top 5 offense
despite Winston?
Cecil Shorts on the radio earlier saying something about BoB, but I missed it. But I did hear him say he and his wife have 7 children now. The youngest three are 3-years-old.
(01-13-2022, 03:28 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 03:00 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/vi...e/dir/desc
Per usual. You're missing the point. The 49ers didn't have a top 5 QB and yet they 100% were a top 5 offense that season. You don't need a top 5 QB to have a top 5 offense.
No, you're missing the point. That's right, you don't need a top 5 QB to have a top 5 offense. If he threw say 60 INTs but they were top 5 in yardage you still think they had a top 5 offense? It doesn't matter to you how many times the offense/QB turns the ball over?
(01-13-2022, 03:12 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]No it isn't.
Why isnt it? All you are doing is looking at a stat
So how would you categorize a top 5 offense if you can't use yards gained and points scored?
The main things that matter to an offense are yards gained and points scored. Turnovers are important but if the Bucs defense wasn't abysmal in 2019 (giving up 28 ppg), they likely make the playoffs.
(01-13-2022, 01:32 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 11:21 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]What has he been doing behind Arians?
Working the offense. As an assistant HC he'd be involved in all phases of the game.
Assistant HC is a glorified title that allows coaches to pay experienced staffers more money. It is NOT a promotion from one of the coordinator positions and would not be allowed to happen without compensation, likely in the form of draft picks.
Seriously, can anyone recall any time ever where an under contract OC or DC was poached from another team in a lateral move? It's not going to happen.
(01-13-2022, 02:07 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 01:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]It's not a top 5 offense when your QB throws 30 Ints
4th in yards per game and 3rd in points per game.... How would you categorize that offense?
@unselfish?@
(01-13-2022, 02:54 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]You know what's funny? I've checked at times before, and it's like Einstein never really said that.
You know what's even funnier? If you think about it, that is a really good way to define 'practice'.
I believe it was Iverson who characterized practice as insane.
(01-13-2022, 03:46 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 01:32 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ]Working the offense. As an assistant HC he'd be involved in all phases of the game.
Assistant HC is a glorified title that allows coaches to pay experienced staffers more money. It is NOT a promotion from one of the coordinator positions and would not be allowed to happen without compensation, likely in the form of draft picks.
Seriously, can anyone recall any time ever where an under contract OC or DC was poached from another team in a lateral move? It's not going to happen.
I think it would count. There is a lot of leeway with what counts as a blockable promotion or not. For example, Schotty was OC for Seattle last year but we got him by promoting him to the made up title of passing game coordinator. Pretty en vogue thing to do nowadays. I think it'd be pretty easy to argue assistant HC is above OC.
(01-13-2022, 03:55 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 03:46 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]Assistant HC is a glorified title that allows coaches to pay experienced staffers more money. It is NOT a promotion from one of the coordinator positions and would not be allowed to happen without compensation, likely in the form of draft picks.
Seriously, can anyone recall any time ever where an under contract OC or DC was poached from another team in a lateral move? It's not going to happen.
I think it would count. There is a lot of leeway with what counts as a blockable promotion or not. For example, Schotty was OC for Seattle last year but we got him by promoting him to the made up title of passing game coordinator. Pretty en vogue thing to do nowadays. I think it'd be pretty easy to argue assistant HC is above OC.
Schottenheimer was fired from Seattle.
(01-13-2022, 03:49 PM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 02:07 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]4th in yards per game and 3rd in points per game.... How would you categorize that offense?
@unselfish?@
(01-13-2022, 02:54 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]You know what's funny? I've checked at times before, and it's like Einstein never really said that.
You know what's even funnier? If you think about it, that is a really good way to define 'practice'.
I believe it was Iverson who characterized practice as insane.
Giving the ball away to the other team more than any other team is very unselfish by the offense. Good call
Texans fire their coach. Another opening there. I like the moore idea or leftwitch. Fresh start with a play caller who helps your biggest weak spot. Offense
(01-13-2022, 04:40 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Texans fire their coach. Another opening there. I like the moore idea or leftwitch. Fresh start with a play caller who helps your biggest weak spot. Offense
Shad they are going after Brian Flores
Wonder why the tinhorns cut ways already with their coach. I thought he was doing respectively well considering O'Brien completely butchered that team and Watson was out of the picture all year. Mills did a good job as a rookie QB. They were competitive in a lot of games.
Man, what is going on this year in the NFL? Flores was a head scratcher. This is an even bigger head scratcher.
(01-13-2022, 04:45 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 04:40 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Texans fire their coach. Another opening there. I like the moore idea or leftwitch. Fresh start with a play caller who helps your biggest weak spot. Offense
Shad they are going after Brian Flores
Ahhh. Makes sense.
(01-13-2022, 02:02 PM)icey14 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 01:56 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]It's not a top 5 offense when your QB throws 30 Ints
when you are scoring points the offense coordinator is doing his job. when the QB looks bad and the offense isn't scoring the OC isn't doing his job. The OC doesn't make the QB throw 30 picks at some point that is on the QB.
If that is the case, then the OC shouldn't get any credit for the QB TDs either.
Saw an article on Leftwich where he was having issues with Brady because of the play calling. They talked and Leftwich went back and rewrote the play book to what Brady liked in a day or 2. I think that was last year but shows that he is willing to adjust to what his players like as opposed to trying to force your offense like the Jags have always done.
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(01-13-2022, 07:20 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]Saw an article on Leftwich where he was having issues with Brady because of the play calling. They talked and Leftwich went back and rewrote the play book to what Brady liked in a day or 2. I think that was last year but shows that he is willing to adjust to what his players like as opposed to trying to force your offense like the Jags have always done.
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Classic jags. Also wrs bubble screens that other teams get nice yards on the jags run them to death and get nowhere except 3 and outs. Wasted plays over and over again. Well, I'm going back to sipping my coffee that I probably shouldn't be drinking this late while we wait to hear news on this new coach.