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If we don’t hire Wilson and Leftwich, I can’t imagine this team not being horrible again next year. I’m not saying that it will be good if we do hire them, but it would at least give me some hope. If we end up with Baalke and Bevell or, even worse Fangio, I’ll have absolutely no hope. That’s what’s so upsetting about this. I strongly disliked the Urban Meyer hire, but it wasn’t spirit killing the way this is. It amazes me how this franchise continues to hit what seems like rock bottom and still manages to fall further. Ask yourself, as a Jaguar fan, how many times have you thought “well it can’t get any worse” only to have just that happen, over the last decade or so.I feel like they have at least managed to create some excitement in the offseason during this stretch, but this year even the offseason has been embarrassing and disappointing. I usually don’t let it bother me this much, but for some reason this has really got me down.

(01-30-2022, 02:52 PM)JagsFanClubOfMD Wrote: [ -> ]If we don’t hire Wilson and Leftwich, I can’t imagine this team not being horrible again next year. I’m not saying that it will be good if we do hire them, but it would at least give me some hope. If we end up with Baalke and Bevell or, even worse Fangio, I’ll have absolutely no hope. That’s what’s so upsetting about this. I strongly disliked the Urban Meyer hire, but it wasn’t spirit killing the way this is. It amazes me how this franchise continues to hit what seems like rock bottom and still manages to fall further. Ask yourself, as a Jaguar fan, how many times have you thought “well it can’t get any worse” only to have just that happen, over the last decade or so.I feel like they have at least managed to create some excitement in the offseason during this stretch, but this year even the offseason has been embarrassing and disappointing. I usually don’t let it bother me this much, but for some reason this has really got me down.

Same here.

(01-30-2022, 02:53 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 02:52 PM)JagsFanClubOfMD Wrote: [ -> ]If we don’t hire Wilson and Leftwich, I can’t imagine this team not being horrible again next year. I’m not saying that it will be good if we do hire them, but it would at least give me some hope. If we end up with Baalke and Bevell or, even worse Fangio, I’ll have absolutely no hope. That’s what’s so upsetting about this. I strongly disliked the Urban Meyer hire, but it wasn’t spirit killing the way this is. It amazes me how this franchise continues to hit what seems like rock bottom and still manages to fall further. Ask yourself, as a Jaguar fan, how many times have you thought “well it can’t get any worse” only to have just that happen, over the last decade or so.I feel like they have at least managed to create some excitement in the offseason during this stretch, but this year even the offseason has been embarrassing and disappointing. I usually don’t let it bother me this much, but for some reason this has really got me down.

Same here.

The fact that I am reading more and more posts like this is the biggest gut kick.

(01-30-2022, 02:15 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 02:13 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]It is so obvious there is a turd in the punch bowl here and what's amazing is that Shad Khan can't seem to figure it out. 

Very very hard to understand.

My optimism creeps in every once in a while and all this silence is leading me to think that maybe this is Khan just waiting to do it on his terms. He’s ready for Byron and Wilson but wants to release it himself tomorrow.

If this is indeed the case,  which is a realistic possibility,  Shad Khan brought upon himself and the Jaguars franchise unnecessary bad public relations.  Which, will make it that much more difficult for the new Jaguars football regime to overcome.  

Another downside of waiting until tomorrow with the announcement, compared to before the weekend (I'm assuming the NFL told its respective teams not to make hiring announcements on NFL Conference Championship Weekend), is the Jaguars will be behind other teams during Senior Bowl Week to at least some extent.

(01-30-2022, 02:52 PM)JagsFanClubOfMD Wrote: [ -> ]If we don’t hire Wilson and Leftwich, I can’t imagine this team not being horrible again next year. I’m not saying that it will be good if we do hire them, but it would at least give me some hope. If we end up with Baalke and Bevell or, even worse Fangio, I’ll have absolutely no hope. That’s what’s so upsetting about this. I strongly disliked the Urban Meyer hire, but it wasn’t spirit killing the way this is. It amazes me how this franchise continues to hit what seems like rock bottom and still manages to fall further. Ask yourself, as a Jaguar fan, how many times have you thought “well it can’t get any worse” only to have just that happen, over the last decade or so.I feel like they have at least managed to create some excitement in the offseason during this stretch, but this year even the offseason has been embarrassing and disappointing. I usually don’t let it bother me this much, but for some reason this has really got me down.

I don't really care about getting Wison but I do want Leftwich and I want Baalke gone.  If we don't hire Leftwich and he doesn't get another HC job Leftwich may never get another shot at becoming HC again with Brady retiring. I could see this like the Yawn situation when he didn't take our offer. He lost 10s of millions and when he retires he will look back and realize that was the biggest mistake of his career

(01-30-2022, 02:23 PM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]If Bevell stays, does that mean we can opt to keep Cullen and the rest of the staff ?

(01-30-2022, 03:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 02:52 PM)JagsFanClubOfMD Wrote: [ -> ]If we don’t hire Wilson and Leftwich, I can’t imagine this team not being horrible again next year. I’m not saying that it will be good if we do hire them, but it would at least give me some hope. If we end up with Baalke and Bevell or, even worse Fangio, I’ll have absolutely no hope. That’s what’s so upsetting about this. I strongly disliked the Urban Meyer hire, but it wasn’t spirit killing the way this is. It amazes me how this franchise continues to hit what seems like rock bottom and still manages to fall further. Ask yourself, as a Jaguar fan, how many times have you thought “well it can’t get any worse” only to have just that happen, over the last decade or so.I feel like they have at least managed to create some excitement in the offseason during this stretch, but this year even the offseason has been embarrassing and disappointing. I usually don’t let it bother me this much, but for some reason this has really got me down.

I don't really care about getting Wison but I do want Leftwich and I want Baalke gone.  If we don't hire Leftwich and he doesn't get another HC job Leftwich may never get another shot at becoming HC again with Brady retiring.  I could see this like the Yawn situation when he didn't take our offer.  He lost 10s of millions and when he retires he will look back and realize that was the biggest mistake of his career

I’m not necessarily agreeing with the bold above, but if that’s true, that’s actually a reason for not hiring him.

I guess this could fit in this or 2 other threads. Since we’ve been throwing theories around…I don’t think I believe this but any theory I can think of that gets us Wilson and Leftwich makes me happy. If the Brady retiring news is true, and he’s waiting for his 15m, maybe Byron doesn’t want to overshadow the Goats retirement announcement with his HC gig? Far fetched, I know. Just bored waiting on these games to start.

(01-30-2022, 03:23 PM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]I guess this could fit in this or 2 other threads.  Since we’ve been throwing theories around…I don’t think I believe this but any theory I can think of that gets us Wilson and Leftwich makes me happy.  If the Brady retiring news is true, and he’s waiting for his 15m, maybe Byron doesn’t want to overshadow the Goats retirement announcement with his HC gig?  Far fetched, I know.  Just bored waiting on these games to start.

Leftwich waiting for the GOAT to announce his retirement, so they can jointly announce he's going to be OC for the Jaguars under Leftwich as he tries to win 3 more rings.

(01-30-2022, 03:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 02:52 PM)JagsFanClubOfMD Wrote: [ -> ]If we don’t hire Wilson and Leftwich, I can’t imagine this team not being horrible again next year. I’m not saying that it will be good if we do hire them, but it would at least give me some hope. If we end up with Baalke and Bevell or, even worse Fangio, I’ll have absolutely no hope. That’s what’s so upsetting about this. I strongly disliked the Urban Meyer hire, but it wasn’t spirit killing the way this is. It amazes me how this franchise continues to hit what seems like rock bottom and still manages to fall further. Ask yourself, as a Jaguar fan, how many times have you thought “well it can’t get any worse” only to have just that happen, over the last decade or so.I feel like they have at least managed to create some excitement in the offseason during this stretch, but this year even the offseason has been embarrassing and disappointing. I usually don’t let it bother me this much, but for some reason this has really got me down.

I don't really care about getting Wison but I do want Leftwich and I want Baalke gone.  If we don't hire Leftwich and he doesn't get another HC job Leftwich may never get another shot at becoming HC again with Brady retiring.  I could see this like the Yawn situation when he didn't take our offer.  He lost 10s of millions and when he retires he will look back and realize that was the biggest mistake of his career

So you want Leftwich because he’s so bad he may never get another shot to be a head coach…. Ever?

Raiders hiring mcdaniels per PFT.

The candidate pool is rapidly shrinking.

What I'm puzzling over is the decision criteria for the HC. Normally the interview is for gameplay strategies, roster assessments, etc. UM was speed, a 3-4 defense and a multi-year roster build around TL. A pretty standard vision and nothing that a new coach must change, unless...

Q’s I would be focusing on:

- What do you do with the team is TL is a bust? How do you get TL to perform and avoid busting?

- demonstrate you can build organisational cohesion out of chaos. Who do you need to make that happen?


If I don't get blow my socks off, rockstar answers to those questions then I'm better off sticking with the current staff. They maybsuck but at least I know what they offer. Difficult times to be playing with a billionaire's toy.

(01-30-2022, 03:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 03:07 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]I don't really care about getting Wison but I do want Leftwich and I want Baalke gone.  If we don't hire Leftwich and he doesn't get another HC job Leftwich may never get another shot at becoming HC again with Brady retiring.  I could see this like the Yawn situation when he didn't take our offer.  He lost 10s of millions and when he retires he will look back and realize that was the biggest mistake of his career

So you want Leftwich because he’s so bad he may never get another shot to be a head coach…. Ever?

Yeah man, that's why I want him lol

(01-30-2022, 02:05 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 01:57 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]Khan stated after ousting Meyer that he would take more time this hiring cycle and really do his due diligence on all the candidates that are out there. Now that he's actually doing that everyone is losing their minds, I think Byron is definitely still in the lead but until we hear rumors confirmed no news is good news. I don't think this speaks to any dysfunction, because Khan is doing exactly what he said he's doing. He could be having private talks with Jim Harbaugh, he could be trying to coax a Hall of Fame Coach out of retirement like Tony Dungy. I really believe Khan is leaving no stone unturned but still has an idea of what to do.

It definitely is more reflective on the national media and how out of touch they are with Jacksonville. They don't care enough during the regular season so they look at box scores and paint us with broad strokes as they railroad the narrative. They have exactly zero outside of Baalke leaks (which aren't leaks but more spin I would say) and since they can't just report nothing they default to their typical tactic of calling us dysfunctional, a dumpster fire etc. Think back to any time since the fall of Sacksonville, the takes about this team are braindead and had little research put into them, that hasn't changed, if these national talking heads dont care to cultivate the relationships during our poor regular seasons (because we're "not worth covering") they won't have any insight when there's an actual story to cover like right now.

tl;dr - Khan is doing exactly what he said he'd do, that doesn't mean the search is going south. National Media types as usual have no idea what's going on in Jacksonville and they're mad about it so they default to calling us bad.

You're joking, right?  Or not?

Khan selected seven or eight people for a first interview, then he selected three for a second interview, two of them got hired by other teams and the only remaining candidate said he wouldn't work with Trent Baalke.  
So then he picks another guy to do a first interview but this guy is already about to do a second interview with the Vikings.  The Vikings get to do a second interview because They did a first interview already, we don't get to interview the guy for a second interview until he's out of the playoffs.  So the Vikings will finish their second interview and if they offer him a job we have to find yet another candidate to do a first interview.  

So two months after we knew we were going to need a head coach we are still scouring the market for guys to bring in for a first interview.

And you don't think that's dysfunctional?

Khan said that just because they have the biggest head start on finding a coach doesn’t mean that they’ll fill it right away and that it might be some time so he can do true due diligence. That’s playing out right now and we’re melting down. YES Baalke has to go, but there are still good candidates with Byron & Brian Flores is still available.

I don’t think it’s dysfunctional that it’s taking a few days longer than fans would prefer. I don’t know how much truth is in any of these rumors.

(01-30-2022, 04:23 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 02:05 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]You're joking, right?  Or not?

Khan selected seven or eight people for a first interview, then he selected three for a second interview, two of them got hired by other teams and the only remaining candidate said he wouldn't work with Trent Baalke.  
So then he picks another guy to do a first interview but this guy is already about to do a second interview with the Vikings.  The Vikings get to do a second interview because They did a first interview already, we don't get to interview the guy for a second interview until he's out of the playoffs.  So the Vikings will finish their second interview and if they offer him a job we have to find yet another candidate to do a first interview.  

So two months after we knew we were going to need a head coach we are still scouring the market for guys to bring in for a first interview.

And you don't think that's dysfunctional?

Khan said that just because they have the biggest head start on finding a coach doesn’t mean that they’ll fill it right away and that it might be some time so he can do true due diligence. That’s playing out right now and we’re melting down. YES Baalke has to go, but there are still good candidates with Byron & Brian Flores is still available.

I don’t think it’s dysfunctional that it’s taking a few days longer than fans would prefer. I don’t know how much truth is in any of these rumors.

It's been over a month and a half man. I have no problems with taking some time and not hiring the first guy, but other teams are already starting to fill out their coaching staffs and we had a 2 week head start on most all of them.

(01-30-2022, 04:39 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 04:23 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]Khan said that just because they have the biggest head start on finding a coach doesn’t mean that they’ll fill it right away and that it might be some time so he can do true due diligence. That’s playing out right now and we’re melting down. YES Baalke has to go, but there are still good candidates with Byron & Brian Flores is still available.

I don’t think it’s dysfunctional that it’s taking a few days longer than fans would prefer. I don’t know how much truth is in any of these rumors.

It's been over a month and a half man. I have no problems with taking some time and not hiring the first guy, but other teams are already starting to fill out their coaching staffs and we had a 2 week head start on most all of them.

The weird thing is that when it was clear he had to get rid of Coughlin he didn't hesitate to make the move. Not sure why he's still got Baalke in the building.

Jags got so much bad PR right now, and so much bad blood from the fans, and it’s all been avoidable. Nothing they have done in this search has made any sense. It feels like Shad isn’t going to sack Baalke entirely based on some weird ego principle.

Who is going to want this job? I feel so sorry for Trevor

(01-30-2022, 04:59 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 04:39 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]It's been over a month and a half man. I have no problems with taking some time and not hiring the first guy, but other teams are already starting to fill out their coaching staffs and we had a 2 week head start on most all of them.

The weird thing is that when it was clear he had to get rid of Coughlin he didn't hesitate to make the move. Not sure why he's still got Baalke in the building.

I'm telling you guys, I'm convinced Baalke has something on Khan. No one in their right mind would be this loyal to such a hated person, unless they were being blackmailed.

(01-30-2022, 04:23 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 02:05 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]You're joking, right?  Or not?

Khan selected seven or eight people for a first interview, then he selected three for a second interview, two of them got hired by other teams and the only remaining candidate said he wouldn't work with Trent Baalke.  
So then he picks another guy to do a first interview but this guy is already about to do a second interview with the Vikings.  The Vikings get to do a second interview because They did a first interview already, we don't get to interview the guy for a second interview until he's out of the playoffs.  So the Vikings will finish their second interview and if they offer him a job we have to find yet another candidate to do a first interview.  

So two months after we knew we were going to need a head coach we are still scouring the market for guys to bring in for a first interview.

And you don't think that's dysfunctional?

Khan said that just because they have the biggest head start on finding a coach doesn’t mean that they’ll fill it right away and that it might be some time so he can do true due diligence. That’s playing out right now and we’re melting down. YES Baalke has to go, but there are still good candidates with Byron & Brian Flores is still available.

I don’t think it’s dysfunctional that it’s taking a few days longer than fans would prefer. I don’t know how much truth is in any of these rumors.

Urban Meyer was fired on December 16th.  Teams were allowed to interview coaches under contract on December 28th.  To be asking permission for a first interview with a candidate on January 30th is dysfunctional.

(01-30-2022, 05:33 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 04:23 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]Khan said that just because they have the biggest head start on finding a coach doesn’t mean that they’ll fill it right away and that it might be some time so he can do true due diligence. That’s playing out right now and we’re melting down. YES Baalke has to go, but there are still good candidates with Byron & Brian Flores is still available.

I don’t think it’s dysfunctional that it’s taking a few days longer than fans would prefer. I don’t know how much truth is in any of these rumors.

Urban Meyer was fired on December 16th.  Teams were allowed to interview coaches under contract on December 28th.  To be asking permission for a first interview with a candidate on January 30th is dysfunctional.

And if the Rams win later today, they can't even interview him until after the Super Bowl lololol. Assuming he'd even take the interview in the first place.