(02-02-2022, 11:40 PM)Steelecrow Wrote: [ -> ]Guys, let's give Bevell a break if you don't mind and cool it a bit. It's not his fault this roster is subpar or that Urban didn't like the one playmaker we actually had and didn't let him play. Bevell did nothing but handle himself with class and professionalism during and after one of the most toxic environments in NFL history.
Agreed. Half this board is treating him like he was the one that trashed the season, when it was clearly Meyer. Hes not the one who went home early everyday (as far as we know), or didnt fly home with the team or misuse our best player on O. No one on here is calling him the next Belichek or Reid. He is what he is, an above average OC when he has talent and a top 5 D, and an average to below avg OC when he doesn't, which is what the team stats for Seattle during his time there seem to indicate.
The first 5/6 hours of my days have been pure torture this last week or so waiting for all the insiders and beat reporters to wake up and hear some sort of news/rumours I really hope it’s over soon.
Surly now o Connell is going to the Vikings the decision is pederson or Byron and should be sorted in the next 24 hours or so
Dont tell me it was impossible becuase of our horrible personal. Why was it possible vs a play off bound colts team in week 17? Play calling is so important.
That's what bevel is suppose to be good at. When you sucked all year at what you were brought here to do why should you get a promotion? Shotty did a good job in week 17 calling plays.
Ah, another day of “Please let it be Leftwich, but if it can’t be Leftwich, please let it be Pederson, but if it’s going to be Pederson, please hire Spielman to neuter Baalke, but above all please make a decision already and either give us new hope or extinguish what little hope we have left for another 3-4 years and let us move on.”
Out of all our HC candidates, Pederson and Leftwich are 1 and 2 for me. Both will be good Trevor imo and that is the most important thing
(02-02-2022, 05:40 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2022, 04:26 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]He needs to be apart of the coaching search alright...
You're doing an enormous amount of damage to my emotions right now...
Maybe not Fangio but I can certainly see it playing out like that.
If you’re worried about first time HC and GMs, give them Spielman to help run the thing.
I’m also really starting to believe the rumor that Shad wanted Byron but have Baalke a week or so to find someone better.
....Hasn't he already had over a month to accomplish this?
Cripes, longer than that when you figure he's basically known that we'd be filling the vacancy from the day Urbz was canned. At the very least, he could have been assembling a list of candidates so that on day one he could have all the interviews lined up of anyone willing to work with him or for Khan.
If he hasn't been able to do that in a month, what's another week going to accomplish? And what does that say about your GM, Mr. Khan?
(02-02-2022, 11:34 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2022, 11:29 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ]Carroll called for the pass; Bevell dialed up the play, a play they had a 90% success rate on earlier in the year. Pats also had their jumbo package in and Marshawn had a poor history in similar matchups. That's the history of it.
Year before, Seahawks clobbered the Broncos for a ring. Yep, Bevell pushed those buttons too.
I like Bevell.
I do not like some of his play calling.
I think he did some good things as a play caller and some bad things. More good than bad.
He made some obvious but needed adjustments when he became the interim HC last season. Schotty called better situational plays than he did, but the two together were somewhat intriguing to me. Bevell/Schotty helped Trevor more than Meyer/Bevell who just threw him to the wolves every week.
But - if we're given a clean slate to work with - we can aim higher.
This. Right. Here.
(02-03-2022, 06:31 AM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Dont tell me it was impossible becuase of our horrible personal. Why was it possible vs a play off bound colts team in week 17? Play calling is so important.
That's what bevel is suppose to be good at. When you sucked all year at what you were brought here to do why should you get a promotion? Shotty did a good job in week 17 calling plays.
If you haven't been able to look at the team to know what changed between the historically abysmal showings and week 17, well, I'm not gonna do that math for ya.
(02-03-2022, 02:31 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ] (02-02-2022, 11:40 PM)Steelecrow Wrote: [ -> ]Guys, let's give Bevell a break if you don't mind and cool it a bit. It's not his fault this roster is subpar or that Urban didn't like the one playmaker we actually had and didn't let him play. Bevell did nothing but handle himself with class and professionalism during and after one of the most toxic environments in NFL history.
Agreed. Half this board is treating him like he was the one that trashed the season, when it was clearly Meyer. Hes not the one who went home early everyday (as far as we know), or didnt fly home with the team or misuse our best player on O. No one on here is calling him the next Belichek or Reid. He is what he is, an above average OC when he has talent and a top 5 D, and an average to below avg OC when he doesn't, which is what the team stats for Seattle during his time there seem to indicate.
I'm not here for giving Bevell a break. Even after Meyer was ousted he was given a chance to run the ship, the offense finally looked better when he gave up calling the plays and let Schottenheimer run the offense. He did it with the exact same personnel (and no James Robinson!!!) that Bevell had and we actually looked like a competent offense to close the season. He ran the offense all year and it couldn't function, I can't not give him accountability for that. I don't want him around Trevor going forward to stunt his growth.
Do a google search for "new orleans saints head coach"
If Baalke is still here in any major capacity, expect to be doing this again next year btw.
(02-03-2022, 10:59 AM)Brett Wrote: [ -> ]Do a google search for "new orleans saints head coach"
I saw that, I’m not seeing it anywhere else though.
(02-03-2022, 10:56 AM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2022, 02:31 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. Half this board is treating him like he was the one that trashed the season, when it was clearly Meyer. Hes not the one who went home early everyday (as far as we know), or didnt fly home with the team or misuse our best player on O. No one on here is calling him the next Belichek or Reid. He is what he is, an above average OC when he has talent and a top 5 D, and an average to below avg OC when he doesn't, which is what the team stats for Seattle during his time there seem to indicate.
I'm not here for giving Bevell a break. Even after Meyer was ousted he was given a chance to run the ship, the offense finally looked better when he gave up calling the plays and let Schottenheimer run the offense. He did it with the exact same personnel (and no James Robinson!!!) that Bevell had and we actually looked like a competent offense to close the season. He ran the offense all year and it couldn't function, I can't not give him accountability for that. I don't want him around Trevor going forward to stunt his growth.
Schottenheimer also ran the offense the two weeks prior to Indy, including the drubbing the Pats gave us.
Oops.
(02-03-2022, 10:56 AM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2022, 02:31 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Agreed. Half this board is treating him like he was the one that trashed the season, when it was clearly Meyer. Hes not the one who went home early everyday (as far as we know), or didnt fly home with the team or misuse our best player on O. No one on here is calling him the next Belichek or Reid. He is what he is, an above average OC when he has talent and a top 5 D, and an average to below avg OC when he doesn't, which is what the team stats for Seattle during his time there seem to indicate.
I'm not here for giving Bevell a break. Even after Meyer was ousted he was given a chance to run the ship, the offense finally looked better when he gave up calling the plays and let Schottenheimer run the offense. He did it with the exact same personnel (and no James Robinson!!!) that Bevell had and we actually looked like a competent offense to close the season. He ran the offense all year and it couldn't function, I can't not give him accountability for that. I don't want him around Trevor going forward to stunt his growth.
Are you really that out of touch with how an NFL offense works? Methinks so.
I'll help ya:
During the week, after scouting the opposing defense, an offensive gameplan is put together. It's a collaborative effort. Bev, Schotty and the position coaches come up with a scheme and fine-tune it in practice. On gameday, the first 15 or so plays are scripted. Aside from that, Bev and Schotty and Trevor are in direct communication. They talk things over in big moments.
Bev handed Schotty playcalling duties so he could be unencumbered and pay adequate attention to the rest if the team. It happens all the time.
But don't think for a minute that Schotty went rogue and just did his own thing. I know the sensationalism is thick around here, but I can assure you that didn't happen.
And Trevor said himself that he worked well with Bev, so I'll take his word over yours.
All, this is unbelievable. You guys are not going to believe this. Hold onto your buttholes folks!
My source. He just texted me. He said Khan and Khan Jr. got into a heated argument yesterday. Apparently it was pretty bad. Really, really bad. Ultimately. Man, this is wild. You won't believe this [BLEEP].
So, apparently. Everything has fallen through. No Leftwich. No Pederson. The talks with Spielman coming over are still hanging up in the air, if he does come over, he's stating he'll only work on an equal playing field with Baalke, not beneath him.
Additionally. They're now [BLEEP] looking at coaches like Chip Kelly and it's rumored they're trying to reach out to Jim Harbaugh. They were interested in Brian Flores but that has since died down now due to the looming lawsuit.
Unbelievable guys. [BLEEP] unbelievable.
Source: Snowwoflie's Dad
(02-03-2022, 11:21 AM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2022, 10:56 AM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not here for giving Bevell a break. Even after Meyer was ousted he was given a chance to run the ship, the offense finally looked better when he gave up calling the plays and let Schottenheimer run the offense. He did it with the exact same personnel (and no James Robinson!!!) that Bevell had and we actually looked like a competent offense to close the season. He ran the offense all year and it couldn't function, I can't not give him accountability for that. I don't want him around Trevor going forward to stunt his growth.
Are you really that out of touch with how an NFL offense works? Methinks so.
I'll help ya:
During the week, after scouting the opposing defense, an offensive gameplan is put together. It's a collaborative effort. Bev, Schotty and the position coaches come up with a scheme and fine-tune it in practice. On gameday, the first 15 or so plays are scripted. Aside from that, Bev and Schotty and Trevor are in direct communication. They talk things over in big moments.
Bev handed Schotty playcalling duties so he could be unencumbered and pay adequate attention to the rest if the team. It happens all the time.
But don't think for a minute that Schotty went rogue and just did his own thing. I know the sensationalism is thick around here, but I can assure you that didn't happen.
And Trevor said himself that he worked well with Bev, so I'll take his word over yours.
Yeah, because QBs always throw their coordinators and coaches under the bus when they have the chance. Trevor will never have a bad thing to say about any of his coaches, ever. It would be unprofessional.
You know what? I actually like Bevell. He seems like a genuinely great guy, and it wouldn't surprise me if he turned out to be a better head coach than coordinator. I don't want him running this team though. He did nothing to wow me and make me think he is the HC of the future here. And, his last two coaching stints have been on absolute all-around disasters, and he needs a clean start just as much as the Jags do.
Good one! (for Caldrac)
(02-03-2022, 11:26 AM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2022, 11:21 AM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ]Are you really that out of touch with how an NFL offense works? Methinks so.
I'll help ya:
During the week, after scouting the opposing defense, an offensive gameplan is put together. It's a collaborative effort. Bev, Schotty and the position coaches come up with a scheme and fine-tune it in practice. On gameday, the first 15 or so plays are scripted. Aside from that, Bev and Schotty and Trevor are in direct communication. They talk things over in big moments.
Bev handed Schotty playcalling duties so he could be unencumbered and pay adequate attention to the rest if the team. It happens all the time.
But don't think for a minute that Schotty went rogue and just did his own thing. I know the sensationalism is thick around here, but I can assure you that didn't happen.
And Trevor said himself that he worked well with Bev, so I'll take his word over yours.
Yeah, because QBs always throw their coordinators and coaches under the bus when they have the chance. Trevor will never have a bad thing to say about any of his coaches, ever. It would be unprofessional.
He didn't say much about Urban.
(02-03-2022, 10:59 AM)Brett Wrote: [ -> ]Do a google search for "new orleans saints head coach"
I think it's being pulled from Wikipedia and I believe Wikipedia is editable by almost anyone so my guess is they have not at this point hired Pederson.
As many people have said I’d of been very pleased with pederson from the start I wanted him or Caldwell, the big issue for me is, you had two interviews with elberfus and Byron had one scheduled with Hackett, released info of wanting to interview o Connell then once all those options were over you brought pederson back for a second interview. I think he’d be a great hire but I don’t know how shad can tell the fans media and players we got the right man when everyone is well aware he was at best 5th option.