(02-01-2022, 01:58 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]I know this is definitely racist/ageist
But I’m kinda tired of seeing a gaggle of old white coaches.
I really loved the idea of having a young coach who happened to be a minority. These young coaches seem to be doing well in the NFL.
Agree. However, let's get back to reality. Old white guys make the world go round.
(02-01-2022, 03:09 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 03:02 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Who has come up so far? I can tell you I don't like Nagy. I do like Kubiak though, if he's out there for some reason. My thoughts though is that as long as Pederson or Leftwich are dialed in with the day-to-day flow that the OC's style should correlate to what either of those two are looking for.
Nagy, Kubiak, and Press Taylor.
Press Taylor makes sense. He's with Reich's staff currently. I could see him coming over here in that role for Pederson. I don't mind that. I thought it would have been in play with Eberflus as well last month.
Out of those three though. I would go Kubiak > Taylor > Nagy. Just not a fan of Nagy. He comes off as an [BLEEP]. Similar to Todd Haley during his run with the Steelers/Chiefs. I see him as too rigid and too inconsistent play calling wise.
Kubiak has a [BLEEP] ton of experience though. Only concern is his health. Is his ticker better these days?
(02-01-2022, 01:58 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]I know this is definitely racist/ageist
But I’m kinda tired of seeing a gaggle of old white coaches.
I really loved the idea of having a young coach who happened to be a minority. These young coaches seem to be doing well in the NFL.
Skin color should have nothing to do with it. If you're tired of seeing white coaches, yes that is racist as far as the age part, that's a bit different. Older coaches tend to play the game the old ways, younger coaches tend to do spice things up. Actually I'd say that's pretty much how things are done in every profession. But yes, for sure having a GOOOOD coach who is a minority would be cool, I am just not in favor of hiring a minority just to say we hired one. If the Jags would get to the super bowl with a white guy I would rather that than hiring a black guy who never took us there. Young, commanding, innovative skin color wouldn't even cross my mind.
(02-01-2022, 03:02 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 02:38 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]It could work, but I think OC is going to be the most important job on the team considering Trevor and all...and the names that been thrown out as candidates for that are extremely underwhelming. Pray new candidates pop up.
Who has come up so far? I can tell you I don't like Nagy. I do like Kubiak though, if he's out there for some reason. My thoughts though is that as long as Pederson or Leftwich are dialed in with the day-to-day flow that the OC's style should correlate to what either of those two are looking for.
(02-01-2022, 02:55 PM)tomfin2022 Wrote: [ -> ]The more I think about this, the more I don’t like it. Pederson/Spielman and go from there? I’m in.
Baalke interviewing Bisaccia and Fangio for coordinator positions, then Shad hiring a VP to curb Baalke’s power so that Pederson will agree to become head coach after a second interview today? No. There’s a word that keeps popping up during this little adventure in different articles I’ve read concerning what works when putting a front office and coaching staff together, and that word is “alignment”. At the moment, this is NOT alignment.
This isn’t organic. It’s forced.
I think if it's Spielman and Pederson? Baalke is demoted. It's then up to Spielman and Pederson to resolve any of the coaching decisions and have final say in personnel decisions.
Baalke I legitimately believe has to be maintained now this late into the process because you need him for current insights on this roster and you're going to need him as far as anything moving forward with the scouting department and the potential cap cutting or cap addition transactions that need to take place in about six weeks.
He did just enough to hang on. Although, a lot of that can be credited to Khan's unwillingness to start clean. As he has shown historically since he took over.
Kubiak hasn't coached in a few years, he's had a few health scares involving seizures or heart trouble while a head coach. Maybe the OC gig is less stress, but I'd question whether his scheme has grown stale over the years, or if he's even looking to get back into this level of stress.
I think if you bring in someone who's been working in a front office, they have done homework on the prospects, or a number of the existing scouts can be retained or brought with them from their old job to ensure that you're not starting from scratch. Baalke will probably still be around, but not necessarily for fear of starting the scouting process over.
Hurry up and make a damn decision already Shad. Weve had ages to sort through who we liked and didnt. Im starting to wonder if we will have a name before the SB.
Jobs are filling up and teams are hiring OC's and DC's and we are doing nothing. Weve got some important contracts that need a decision made and FA isnt too far away and then its the draft where we have the damn #1 pick to figure out.
(02-01-2022, 12:10 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 10:24 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ]I wasn't. Reading the imbedded quote would tell you that.
I watched every game as well and easily noticed a change for the better once Meyer was removed from the equation.
Not only that, but this year wasn't about wins and losses as it was about developing Trevor. He made many mistakes you'd expect from a rookie, but by and large he was making big strides in his growth that will make him so much more prepared for the future.
You sure about that? What I noticed is that we immediately lost to the Jets, one of the worst teams in the league, and to the Texans, the only other team in the league that could rival the disfunction of ours.
We couldn't even get enough of a post-HC-firing emotional charge out of the team to beat either of the most beatable teams in the league, and we didn't even come close. Bevell doesn't even move the needle.
Oh, and btw, Meyer delegated everything and had next to nothing to do with how the offense was run. That historically bad offense we saw all year was all Darrell's.
Well, I'd argue we won the Jets game on Marvin's apparent TD. Bev couldn't throw the challenge flag because it was under 2 minutes. The Houston game was the first after Meyer was dismissed, so it was still at Ground Zero for momentum.
And you don't know, nor do I, the toxic influence Meyer had on the team in weekly preparations and gameday scenarios. He was in way over his head and I'd guess he had parameters in place that went against the grain of a successful offense, especially one training in a rookie QB. Carlos Hyde? .... Please.
Did Mikesez create an alt account for the non political threads?
(02-01-2022, 03:12 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 01:58 PM)MojoKing Wrote: [ -> ]I know this is definitely racist/ageist
But I’m kinda tired of seeing a gaggle of old white coaches.
I really loved the idea of having a young coach who happened to be a minority. These young coaches seem to be doing well in the NFL.
Agree. However, let's get back to reality. Old white guys make the world go round.
Really? Now we are judging coaches on skin tone now? Just ridiculous
(02-01-2022, 03:14 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 03:09 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Nagy, Kubiak, and Press Taylor.
Press Taylor makes sense. He's with Reich's staff currently. I could see him coming over here in that role for Pederson. I don't mind that. I thought it would have been in play with Eberflus as well last month.
Out of those three though. I would go Kubiak > Taylor > Nagy. Just not a fan of Nagy. He comes off as an [BLEEP]. Similar to Todd Haley during his run with the Steelers/Chiefs. I see him as too rigid and too inconsistent play calling wise.
Kubiak has a [BLEEP] ton of experience though. Only concern is his health. Is his ticker better these days?
I just don't think I want anyone from the good ol boys club at OC. I want one of these young, up and coming, cutting edge OCs that will creatively use Trevor to his maximum potential. I especially want that if we are setting up the good ol boys club everywhere else.
(02-01-2022, 03:36 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 03:14 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Press Taylor makes sense. He's with Reich's staff currently. I could see him coming over here in that role for Pederson. I don't mind that. I thought it would have been in play with Eberflus as well last month.
Out of those three though. I would go Kubiak > Taylor > Nagy. Just not a fan of Nagy. He comes off as an [BLEEP]. Similar to Todd Haley during his run with the Steelers/Chiefs. I see him as too rigid and too inconsistent play calling wise.
Kubiak has a [BLEEP] ton of experience though. Only concern is his health. Is his ticker better these days?
I just don't think I want anyone from the good ol boys club at OC. I want one of these young, up and coming, cutting edge OCs that will creatively use Trevor to his maximum potential. I especially want that if we are setting up the good ol boys club everywhere else.
Only a younger coaches with little to no experience at their position can get maximum potential out of Trevor? These guys with experience and rings can't? [BLEEP] lol. I'm glad Tony Khan has stepped in lol
(02-01-2022, 03:36 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 03:14 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Press Taylor makes sense. He's with Reich's staff currently. I could see him coming over here in that role for Pederson. I don't mind that. I thought it would have been in play with Eberflus as well last month.
Out of those three though. I would go Kubiak > Taylor > Nagy. Just not a fan of Nagy. He comes off as an [BLEEP]. Similar to Todd Haley during his run with the Steelers/Chiefs. I see him as too rigid and too inconsistent play calling wise.
Kubiak has a [BLEEP] ton of experience though. Only concern is his health. Is his ticker better these days?
I just don't think I want anyone from the good ol boys club at OC. I want one of these young, up and coming, cutting edge OCs that will creatively use Trevor to his maximum potential. I especially want that if we are setting up the good ol boys club everywhere else.
That would be Press Taylor then. He's 34 years old. He's never been an OC before. He's been around the Eagles and clots coaching staff as a QB coach, passing game coordinator and assistant in general.
(02-01-2022, 02:35 PM)Bullseye Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 02:31 PM)tomfin2022 Wrote: [ -> ]This “All-Star Coaching Staff” concept being floated around is so Shad.
When has he done that before?
What is wrong with having good assistant coaches?
You know, when Mularkey put his staff together I remember thinking, based on all the experience they had, that he had assembled a "dream team" of coaches. Didn't work out so well then.
If you're thinking outside Pederson's circle?
Bengals - Dan Pitcher
Tinhorns - Shannon Dawson
49ers - Rich Scangarello
Chargers - Shane Day
(02-01-2022, 03:30 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 03:12 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Agree. However, let's get back to reality. Old white guys make the world go round.
Really? Now we are judging coaches on skin tone now? Just ridiculous
Yep, too many old whites. Love McVay and Shanahan younger innovative dudes
(01-31-2022, 02:07 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 02:03 PM)Jagulars Wrote: [ -> ]So, the O'Connell thing was a waste of time since the Rams made it to the Super Bowl. It would be idiotic to wait another 2 weeks without a HC.
I'll withdraw posting in this thread until a new HC is officially named.
The O'Connell announcement is genius if you are Baalke. You get to further isolate the owner and control free agency and the draft.
We are screwed. Who ia going to resign or sign here? Draft and Undrafted Free Agency is the only player acqusition routes. You have to take the unwilling.
It's also a way to put pressure on Byron. If Byron truly wants this job, the announcement of more interviews could push Byron to accept the offer with TB attached. More than likely though, Byron would say efff yew, but if this is the job we wants, it just could happen.
(02-01-2022, 03:25 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 12:10 PM)scottyg Wrote: [ -> ]You sure about that? What I noticed is that we immediately lost to the Jets, one of the worst teams in the league, and to the Texans, the only other team in the league that could rival the disfunction of ours.
We couldn't even get enough of a post-HC-firing emotional charge out of the team to beat either of the most beatable teams in the league, and we didn't even come close. Bevell doesn't even move the needle.
Oh, and btw, Meyer delegated everything and had next to nothing to do with how the offense was run. That historically bad offense we saw all year was all Darrell's.
Well, I'd argue we won the Jets game on Marvin's apparent TD. Bev couldn't throw the challenge flag because it was under 2 minutes. The Houston game was the first after Meyer was dismissed, so it was still at Ground Zero for momentum.
And you don't know, nor do I, the toxic influence Meyer had on the team in weekly preparations and gameday scenarios. He was in way over his head and I'd guess he had parameters in place that went against the grain of a successful offense, especially one training in a rookie QB. Carlos Hyde? .... Please.
You'd argue we won?? Even though we lost?? I get it now! It all makes sense... You are living in an alternate reality!! Please get back over there before you cause a permanent rift in space-time.
Guys, living proof right here. The multi-verse is real!
I’m thinking Byron’s goose is cooked at this point unfortunately.
Our hope is now in Spielman and Pederson
(02-01-2022, 03:59 PM)Hscottyg Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 03:25 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ]Well, I'd argue we won the Jets game on Marvin's apparent TD. Bev couldn't throw the challenge flag because it was under 2 minutes. The Houston game was the first after Meyer was dismissed, so it was still at Ground Zero for momentum.
And you don't know, nor do I, the toxic influence Meyer had on the team in weekly preparations and gameday scenarios. He was in way over his head and I'd guess he had parameters in place that went against the grain of a successful offense, especially one training in a rookie QB. Carlos Hyde? .... Please.
You'd argue we won?? Even though we lost?? I get it now! It all makes sense... You are living in an alternate reality!! Please get back over there before you cause a permanent rift in space-time.
Guys, living proof right here. The multi-verse is real!
Guess you didn't see the tape. The refs must've had dinner reservations.
(02-01-2022, 03:46 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 03:36 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I just don't think I want anyone from the good ol boys club at OC. I want one of these young, up and coming, cutting edge OCs that will creatively use Trevor to his maximum potential. I especially want that if we are setting up the good ol boys club everywhere else.
That would be Press Taylor then. He's 34 years old. He's never been an OC before. He's been around the Eagles and clots coaching staff as a QB coach, passing game coordinator and assistant in general.
Taylor is young, this is true. I have never seen him described as up and coming or cutting edge/progressive. Every time I hear his name come up it is associated with shreiks and withdrawal.