(12-20-2021, 09:16 AM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.nj.com/eagles/2021/12/nfl-ru...guars.html
Bring in Pederson. This is a no brainer if he wants to come.
While he's worthy of consideration, I find him far from a no brainer. It's obviously appealing to have an experienced Super Bowl winning coach who went to the playoffs in three out of his five seasons. However, when you dig a little deeper you find:
First, two of his "playoff seasons" were 9-7 teams. That's just 1 game above .500. For example, are those 9-7 seasons really any better than the back to back 9-7 seasons that got Jim Caldwell fired? Jim Caldwell, Jim Harbaugh and Jason Garrett all have more NFL wins and a better career NFL winning percentage as a head coach than Doug Pederson.
Second, you have to consider the Frank Reich factor. He was offensive coordinator during the Super Bowl season. In fact, Pederson had a .625 record during the Reich seasons and a .469 in seasons without. That's a losing record without him. Frank Reich wouldn't be coming to Jacksonville.
Third, the 2021 Eagles team has already won a couple more games than under Pederson's last season and three games still remain.
Fourth, there are reports that Pederson went several weeks during the regular season without talking to Carson Wentz. That's a major red flag.
This is going to be a tough decision. I don't see one perfect candidate that checks all the boxes.
(12-20-2021, 01:58 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2021, 09:16 AM)Newton Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.nj.com/eagles/2021/12/nfl-ru...guars.html
Bring in Pederson. This is a no brainer if he wants to come.
While he's worthy of consideration, I find him far from a no brainer. It's obviously appealing to have an experienced Super Bowl winning coach who went to the playoffs in three out of his five seasons. However, when you dig a little deeper you find:
First, two of his "playoff seasons" were 9-7 teams. That's just 1 game above .500. For example, are those 9-7 seasons really any better than the back to back 9-7 seasons that got Jim Caldwell fired? Jim Caldwell, Jim Harbaugh and Jason Garrett all have more NFL wins and a better career NFL winning percentage as a head coach than Doug Pederson.
Second, you have to consider the Frank Reich factor. He was offensive coordinator during the Super Bowl season. In fact, Pederson had a .625 record during the Reich seasons and a .469 in seasons without. That's a losing record without him. Frank Reich wouldn't be coming to Jacksonville.
Third, the 2021 Eagles team has already won a couple more games than under Pederson's last season and three games still remain.
Fourth, there are reports that Pederson went several weeks during the regular season without talking to Carson Wentz. That's a major red flag.
This is going to be a tough decision. I don't see one perfect candidate that checks all the boxes.
Belichick's record without Brady is 45.65%.
Also look at their SOS last year vs this year. .85 vs -.53
Pederson isn't perfect by any means, but I'm not too concerned about these things. It's worth noting Pederson was treated really bad by Howie Roseman and Jeffery Lurie. They micromanaged him in a way Shad Khan (presumably) wouldn't. He had little control over his staff. He had to fight to keep Frank Reich on staff. I think Pederson can do well as long as the Jags have a functional front office.
John McClain on 1010 says the primary and foremost concern of any staff change is finding coaches who can work with and nurture Trevor Lawrence.
(12-20-2021, 02:57 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]John McClain on 1010 says the primary and foremost concern of any staff change is finding coaches who can work with and nurture Trevor Lawrence.
At this point I would take any competent professional coach. Bet he feels the same way
(12-20-2021, 12:32 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]All I can say is if Khan half [BLEEP] this again, a good part of this fanbase will give up on the team. We are now going into decades of bad management and bad teams. This isn't the same fanbase of even 10 or 15 years ago. We're no longer the wide-eyed and scrappy group blindly supporting our up-and-coming team.
Homerbiscuit just spent half a year turning a blind eye to every Meyer fault and relentlessly attacking anyone who pointed out anything he did wrong. Which was a lot.
You ain't going anywhere.
(12-20-2021, 03:31 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (12-20-2021, 12:32 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]All I can say is if Khan half [BLEEP] this again, a good part of this fanbase will give up on the team. We are now going into decades of bad management and bad teams. This isn't the same fanbase of even 10 or 15 years ago. We're no longer the wide-eyed and scrappy group blindly supporting our up-and-coming team.
Homerbiscuit just spent half a year turning a blind eye to every Meyer fault and relentlessly attacking anyone who pointed out anything he did wrong. Which was a lot.
You ain't going anywhere.
If you want to characterize my refusal to join in your pants pissing diatribes as "relentlessly attacking", then go ahead. I'm fine with that.
(12-17-2021, 02:15 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2021, 11:21 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]Leftwich was garnering attention as a QB coach/coordinator long before Brady signed with TB. IIRC he worked with Arians in AZ when they had Palmer
Despite many openings, Leftwich wasn't even interviewed for even one of the head coaching positions last year.
Leftwich was offensive coordinator for one year with Arizona before joining Tampa. Their offense was ranked dead last (32 out of 32 teams) in terms of both yards and points.
...kinda.
Mike McCoy was fired mid-season and BL was promoted to OC. The poor offensive numbers may have been a reason for McCoy being sent packing. I don't know, but to say he's gotten no attention is inaccurate.
It might also be telling that when Arians had a new start in Tampa, he chose to bring that 32/32 OC with him. Maybe he brings more than Josh Rosen's stats to the table?
Edit: Despite the stats I've presented or discussed, I am not on the "hire BL" train. As others have stated, I want someone who's been there before, had to assemble a coaching staff, and can pick up the pieces left by the past coach.
McClain floated the names of Leftwich and Kellen Moore as candidates who could help develop Lawrence. As OCs, maybe. Not HC.
(12-20-2021, 04:53 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]McClain floated the names of Leftwich and Kellen Moore as candidates who could help develop Lawrence. As OCs, maybe. Not HC.
I'm good with Moore as OC. I don't think he'd leave Dallas for less than a HC position though.
(12-19-2021, 06:53 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-17-2021, 10:15 PM)Olive Wrote: [ -> ]Thank You ... I 100% agree, but posters will blame him for the lack of talent, and being mediocre. He got the most out of the players Shack gave him. JDR coached teams were very competitive. Without a quarterback that had the talent of T-Law. Imagine if you gave the Jaguars a high end Quarterback on JDR's coached team(s). He just doesn't get the credit he is due. Take Brees off of Payton's NOS team ... What do you have? Del-Rio coached a less than mediocre roster into a hard win for any opponent. Straight up, I would take him over Tomlin, and I only say that because I think they compare pretty equally.
JDR and Tomlin compare pretty equally? Let's see:
Wins:
Tomlin: 152
Del Rio: 93
Winning Percentage (Regular Season):
Tomlin: .646
Del Rio: .497
Seasons with .500 or Above Records
Tomlin: 14 (not counting this partial season)
Del Rio: 6
Losing Seasons:
Tomlin: 0
Del Rio: 6
Division Titles:
Tomlin: 7
Del Rio: 0
Playoff Appearances:
Tomlin: 9
Del Rio: 3
Playoff Wins:
Tomlin: 8
Del Rio: 1
Super Bowl Appearances:
Tomlin: 2
Del Rio: 0
Super Bowl Wins:
Tomlin: 1
Del Rio: 0
In summary, Tomlin is a head coach who in his 14 full seasons has won the division title 7 times plus another 2 wild card appearances and never finished a single season with a losing record. He's a Super Bowl winner and also appeared in another and has 8 playoff wins to his credit. On the other side, Del Rio has as many losing seasons as winning seasons. His overall record has more losses than wins. He never won a division title in 12 years and has only won 1 playoff game. It doesn't feel very comparable to me.
With non comparable Quarterbacks, and non comparable rosters. But. you knew that. I remember the Jaguars seemed to play, and beat the Steelers often, and maybe even three times in the same season. Go figure. How is Tomlin's record without Ben?
(12-16-2021, 07:46 PM)jagsfan06 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2021, 04:22 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]Tennessee Defensive Coordinator Shane Bowen comes to mind as an intriguing option for the Jaguars HC position. Bowen will likely get at least one NFL HC interview this coming winter. Bowen is only 35 years old and this is his first season in Tennessee with the Title of Defensive Coordinator. However, with Tennessee having arguably the worst injury situation in the NFL this season, the results Bowen is getting on the Defensive Side of the ball, is impressive.
Great call D6.
Thank you, jagsfan06.
I also think that Shane Bowen will be helped because of the NFL HC success of two of Mike Vrabel's former Offensive Coordinator, Green Bay HC Matt LaFleur and Atlanta HC Arthur Smith. The Falcons 6-8 record is nothing to write home about. But IMHO, the team's record exceeds the team's talent. Especially, when factoring in the transition involved for a HC coach in his first season.
(12-16-2021, 10:19 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2021, 04:43 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Byron is calling the plays. Arians said that Byron is the only person he trusts to call the plays.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...fensively/
"Arians made it clear that he has delegated the offense to Leftwich."
Arians said, “I mean, people give me way too much credit because I don’t do sh-t, really. He does it all. He calls the plays. I’m really upset he didn’t get a head-coaching interview. . . . Byron didn’t even get a call, and I think people give Tom Brady and Bruce Arians way too much credit and not enough credit for Byron Leftwich.”
Yeah ive heard good thngs about Leftwich. When the Bucs were struggling last season and Leftwich had the playbook he wanted and Brady had what he wanted to run, i remember Brady saying they had a meeting and 2 days later Leftwich had changed the playbook to cater for them both and they went on to win the SB. Like hearing him listening to his QB and finding solutions. Guess that comes from playing the position himself.
(12-16-2021, 04:22 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]Tennessee Defensive Coordinator Shane Bowen comes to mind as an intriguing option for the Jaguars HC position. Bowen will likely get at least one NFL HC interview this coming winter. Bowen is only 35 years old and this is his first season in Tennessee with the Title of Defensive Coordinator. However, with Tennessee having arguably the worst injury situation in the NFL this season, the results Bowen is getting on the Defensive Side of the ball, is impressive.
Thats a great call and he has done a fantastic job. I cant praise the T*tans for anything but hes done a solid job.
Thank you, JagFan81.
One of the major challenges of the Jaguars organization moving forward is the strength of the Tennessee and Indianapolis organizations. Both have a high-quality GM and HC.
Mike Mularky
Gus Bradley
Urban Meyer
In that order!
I googled worst HC in NFL history to get better ideas. Lmao, the link I clicked had Meyers pic on it.
(12-20-2021, 06:19 PM)Olive Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2021, 06:53 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]JDR and Tomlin compare pretty equally? Let's see:
Wins:
Tomlin: 152
Del Rio: 93
Winning Percentage (Regular Season):
Tomlin: .646
Del Rio: .497
Seasons with .500 or Above Records
Tomlin: 14 (not counting this partial season)
Del Rio: 6
Losing Seasons:
Tomlin: 0
Del Rio: 6
Division Titles:
Tomlin: 7
Del Rio: 0
Playoff Appearances:
Tomlin: 9
Del Rio: 3
Playoff Wins:
Tomlin: 8
Del Rio: 1
Super Bowl Appearances:
Tomlin: 2
Del Rio: 0
Super Bowl Wins:
Tomlin: 1
Del Rio: 0
In summary, Tomlin is a head coach who in his 14 full seasons has won the division title 7 times plus another 2 wild card appearances and never finished a single season with a losing record. He's a Super Bowl winner and also appeared in another and has 8 playoff wins to his credit. On the other side, Del Rio has as many losing seasons as winning seasons. His overall record has more losses than wins. He never won a division title in 12 years and has only won 1 playoff game. It doesn't feel very comparable to me.
With non comparable Quarterbacks, and non comparable rosters. But. you knew that. I remember the Jaguars seemed to play, and beat the Steelers often, and maybe even three times in the same season. Go figure. How is Tomlin's record without Ben?
You can speculate all you want about what if so and so had so and so players. Coaches are judged on their results. In regards to head-to-head, I have no idea and I'm not going to bother to look it up as the stats that I posted above are 10 times more important. I'll give you a couple more stats. Mike Tomlin is the fourth fastest NFL head coach in NFL history to reach 150 wins. He was faster than Bill Belichick and any other active coach. His number of wins already places him in the top 20 coaches in NFL history and he isn't even 50 years old. JDR has a career losing record. I have nothing against JDR, but his head coaching performance does not remotely compare to Tomlin.
I just find it interesting that anyone thinks Tomlin is somehow on his way out with Pittsburgh.
By all accounts, the Rooney's are awesome to work for. Pittsburgh is NFL royalty. He's their 3rd coach since 1969.
Unlike Noll and Cowher he's never had a real slump as the coach there. He'll be given the same patience those two were given in Pittsburgh even if they do struggle a bit post Roethlisberger.
The Rooney's will end up finding him another QB though within two years more than likely.
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(12-20-2021, 07:19 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I just find it interesting that anyone thinks Tomlin is somehow on his way out with Pittsburgh.
By all accounts, the Rooney's are awesome to work for. Pittsburgh is NFL royalty. He's their 3rd coach since 1969.
Unlike Noll and Cowher he's never had a real slump as the coach there. He'll be given the same patience those two were given in Pittsburgh even if they do struggle a bit post Roethlisberger.
The Rooney's will end up finding him another QB though within two years more than likely.
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For the record, I also very highly doubt Tomlin will be available. I think the Steelers would have to be foolish to do so. However, his name has been mentioned by multiple sources as a possibility. I'm merely saying that if he hypothetically were available, he would go the top of my list.
Provided that either would accept, I’m torn between Pederson and McDanials. Both have their question marks. Pederson, the Wentz situation, and McDanials the Clots situation. But those two would be my first two choices.