(01-31-2022, 10:36 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]I really think it's indicative of Khan's lack of ambition. He's lazy. This is why Baalke is here. He hates this process. His history of having overly lengthy patience at a nauseating extent with coaches and his refusal to completely clean house in the front office after a coach gets hung out to dry is a remarkable and sad quality he has at the same time.
That is his nature. That is his approach. He's legitimately leaned on Baalke since Meyer was fired. He's deflated and personally demoralized. That's how I honestly see him. He's still making money. He just doesn't have to care. He can continue to be a pig rolling in his own [BLEEP] in pure ecstacy because it's permitted at this level.
I’m starting to see this very clearly.
It's just possible that Khan found Baalke a steadying influence and a voice of reason in all the Meyer turmoil and had decided to keep him on as a measure of stability.
Another thought: Khan is going to try to recoup Meyer's salary, right? Perhaps Baalke plays some kind of vital role in that recovery process and Khan needs him on the payroll.
(01-31-2022, 10:36 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 10:21 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]Pederson was one of the first candidates to be interviewed because he was currently out of the league and at that time you could only interview people without jobs.
There was nothing about him being their top candidate. The fact that it took them 33 days for a 2nd interview says they weren't all that interested, or why wouldn't he be brought back in a lot sooner?
I really think it's indicative of Khan's lack of ambition. He's lazy. This is why Baalke is here. He hates this process. His history of having overly lengthy patience at a nauseating extent with coaches and his refusal to completely clean house in the front office after a coach gets hung out to dry is a remarkable and sad quality he has at the same time.
That is his nature. That is his approach. He's legitimately leaned on Baalke since Meyer was fired. He's deflated and personally demoralized. That's how I honestly see him. He's still making money. He just doesn't have to care. He can continue to be a pig rolling in his own [BLEEP] in pure ecstacy because it's permitted at this level.
This is obviously true. It's been confirmed that he just got back from a week's vacation in St Marten smack in the middle of one of the most disastrous head coaching searches in NFL history.
He hired a search firm to hire Dave Caldwell and left it to him to hire Bradley. He kept Marrone because it's easier to keep the interim than do another coaching search. He did no coaching search and simply handed the keys to the entire franchise to Urban Meyer to do anything he wanted. And this time he's just handing the search over to the most hated man in the NFL while he goes on vacation.
From what I gathered, Pederson’s 2nd interview will be with only Shad and Tony. No Baalke.
I’m not sure how I feel about this. I want Peterson, and that’s a good sign, but I feel like Leftwich and Wilson are about to get shafted and I feel horrible for them. They would have been a great hire as well.
Khan will call all the remaining candidates in for a live TV “Decision”. They’ll all be seated at a table facing the camera. Khan will pace back and forth behind them twirling and tweaking his stache while pondering deeply. He’ll throw in a few “gotchas” before eventually placing a Jaguars cap on the new head coach.
Sorry, can someone help me on one thing I'm not understanding? Caldwell has always been a head coach, right? How would he be positioned to be a GM? Is that a normal thing? I've never heard of that.
And if he interviewed for a head coach spot, why change his mind too?
(01-31-2022, 11:45 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]From what I gathered, Pederson’s 2nd interview will be with only Shad and Tony. No Baalke.
I’m not sure how I feel about this. I want Peterson, and that’s a good sign, but I feel like Leftwich and Wilson are about to get shafted and I feel horrible for them. They would have been a great hire as well.
I don't like the idea of having a first time GM and a first time head coach in charge. Experience matters!
(01-31-2022, 11:57 PM)Brett Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, can someone help me on one thing I'm not understanding? Caldwell has always been a head coach, right? How would he be positioned to be a GM? Is that a normal thing? I've never heard of that.
And if he interviewed for a head coach spot, why change his mind too?
He's not. Someone on here made that up, as is par for the course.
(01-31-2022, 11:45 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]From what I gathered, Pederson’s 2nd interview will be with only Shad and Tony. No Baalke.
I’m not sure how I feel about this. I want Peterson, and that’s a good sign, but I feel like Leftwich and Wilson are about to get shafted and I feel horrible for them. They would have been a great hire as well.
Yep that is interesting, I thought the same thing. I don't think Peterson would change his mind and the fact that Baalke wasn't mentioned as traveling, maybe Khan is finally coming to his senses.
Was there a report about Caldwell getting a 2nd interview?
I'm hoping this means Peterson, Caldwell, and Leftwich all get a fair shot now. Peterson didn't get a fair shot the 1st interview after wanting Baalke gone.
Khan can't have gone through this whole process and not heard all the push back. I mean Baalke is setting up interviews with coaches who just got fired because they aren't good enough coaches. How can you not see the failures he keeps trying to have you interview?
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(01-31-2022, 11:57 PM)Brett Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, can someone help me on one thing I'm not understanding? Caldwell has always been a head coach, right? How would he be positioned to be a GM? Is that a normal thing? I've never heard of that.
And if he interviewed for a head coach spot, why change his mind too?
I haven't seen anyone say Caldwell should be the GM, just in some form of EVP or other front office role where he is basically just an extremely well respected overseer/figurehead that brings instant credibility to our new regime.
(01-31-2022, 11:57 PM)Brett Wrote: [ -> ]Sorry, can someone help me on one thing I'm not understanding? Caldwell has always been a head coach, right? How would he be positioned to be a GM? Is that a normal thing? I've never heard of that.
And if he interviewed for a head coach spot, why change his mind too?
Not GM but EVP. Basically running the team side of the business with Lamping running the business/marketing side. He would be in the TC role. It would work with younger GM and HC to help guide them as long as he doesn't overstep his role. TC overstepped and then ended up having to be fired.
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Ok makes sense, thank you guys for the replies. I was getting confused for a minute.
I like Leftwich and I have a good feeling about a Leftwich Wilson combo. But statistically speaking Pederson has a better chance at success than Leftwich because he's already been a HC and had success Byron hasn't. Same for Caldwell.
Then again, maybe it wasn't so much Pederson and more about the Eagles. I mean that place seems to find success with new coaches at least early.
(02-01-2022, 12:01 AM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 11:45 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]From what I gathered, Pederson’s 2nd interview will be with only Shad and Tony. No Baalke.
I’m not sure how I feel about this. I want Peterson, and that’s a good sign, but I feel like Leftwich and Wilson are about to get shafted and I feel horrible for them. They would have been a great hire as well.
Yep that is interesting, I thought the same thing. I don't think Peterson would change his mind and the fact that Baalke wasn't mentioned as traveling, maybe Khan is finally coming to his senses.
Was there a report about Caldwell getting a 2nd interview?
I'm hoping this means Peterson, Caldwell, and Leftwich all get a fair shot now. Peterson didn't get a fair shot the 1st interview after wanting Baalke gone.
Khan can't have gone through this whole process and not heard all the push back. I mean Baalke is setting up interviews with coaches who just got fired because they aren't good enough coaches. How can you not see the failures he keeps trying to have you interview?
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Maybe they really wanted Doug the most the whole time but he said he wouldn't work with Baalke there. They decided to wait for Byron and after the 2nd interview Byron said no I won't work with Baalke. Maybe they then said well...if we are considering firing Baalke for Byron, why not see if our first choice is interested still and they scheduled him a 2nd interview. Maybe maybe?
No need to keep worrying about this folks. It's going to be Bevell and Baalke in 2022. Khan is going to [BLEEP] this up, ruin TLaw, destroy the fanbase, and kill all enthusiasm for the Jags. Book it.
(02-01-2022, 12:17 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]No need to keep worrying about this folks. It's going to be Bevell and Baalke in 2022. Khan is going to [BLEEP] this up, ruin TLaw, destroy the fanbase, and kill all enthusiasm for the Jags. Book it.
Wow I thought I was negative
The fact that it'll only be 1 week (tomorrow) since Leftwich's 2nd interview is something. It feels like that interview took place 3 weeks ago with all of this absolute mess of a situation going on.
(02-01-2022, 12:25 AM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 12:17 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: [ -> ]No need to keep worrying about this folks. It's going to be Bevell and Baalke in 2022. Khan is going to [BLEEP] this up, ruin TLaw, destroy the fanbase, and kill all enthusiasm for the Jags. Book it.
Wow I thought I was negative
He's not wrong. Odds are it unfolds this way. It's already February in 30 minutes. Baalke is staying regardless. Bevell as the headcoach seems plausible. Bad, but, certainly plausible.
Khan is lazy when it comes to owning any team in any sport. He cannot handle the planning, strategies and decision making that is required to optimally run an NFL franchise successfully.
He's a business mogul. He understands bumpers. He doesn't understand X's and O's. He's been in contact with Dungy and Parcells in the past for some guidance. This is why you have the team linked to Caldwell [Dungy's tree] and Baalke [Parcell's background].
The best thing Khan can do for himself, after he undoubtedley ruins Lawrence and runs him off. He just needs to hire the biggest, brightest mind his money can buy to become the President of Football Operations and just step away completely.
He clearly doesn't have his heart in this. It trickles down and reflects back out onto the football field. 41 - 113 since he purchased the team. The NFL's punching bag via media. The NFL's running punchline.
Get this era over with. Hire somebody worth their salt. Stay on your yacht. Just make a public statement once or twice a year.
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(01-31-2022, 11:54 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]Khan will call all the remaining candidates in for a live TV “Decision”. They’ll all be seated at a table facing the camera. Khan will pace back and forth behind them twirling and tweaking his stache while pondering deeply. He’ll throw in a few “gotchas” before eventually placing a Jaguars cap on the new head coach.
Haha
Jaguars got talent. The new exciting show for lovers of reality tv
(01-31-2022, 11:45 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]From what I gathered, Pederson’s 2nd interview will be with only Shad and Tony. No Baalke.
I’m not sure how I feel about this. I want Peterson, and that’s a good sign, but I feel like Leftwich and Wilson are about to get shafted and I feel horrible for them. They would have been a great hire as well.
Leftwich and Wilson will be fine. They will be the HC and GM of either the Cardinals or the Panthers in 2023 and be perennial Super Bowl Contenders, and we’ll be sitting here saying “Sigh. That could have been us.”
In 2011. Khan said this:
In his first media session in Jacksonville since he was approved in a unanimous vote of NFL owners Wednesday, Khan said of the Jaguars' next coach:
"I can describe two qualities. It has to be a person you like and trust and a person who can win. You don't want to be winning with a person you despise, and you don't want to be losing with a person you like. Simple."
Sounds like he can't take his own advice. Because, he's yet to find both qualities in any hires he's ever made. It's cost him opportunities.
Think about it. In 2016. After Bradley was fired. He doubles down with Caldwell and Marrone. He lost out on Sean McDermott, Sean McVay and Kyle Shanahan.
After 5-11 and 6-10 with Marrone. In 2019. He could have had Zac Taylor, Bruce Arians or Brian Flores.
He cannot take his own advice. He cannot get out of his own way. Bradley was likeable. Marrone was likeable. Caldwell was likeable. However, it took for the arrival of a hard nosed and rigid old Coughlin to come in for one year to culture shock the place.
It took one year to get them back to winning. Then, in classic Tom fashion. He blunders the personnel with head scratching extensions and the roster imploded. Because he's a coach. Not an EVP. Not a General Manager.
Khan had to get it right this year. I don't see it. I really think after he blunders it all with Lawrence that he'll hit rock bottom, hopefully experience a massive ego death and then just hire a legitimate President to run the team for the better.
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