(01-12-2022, 11:00 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 10:45 AM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]That's the under-statement of the year. He had 30 interceptions! The Bucs were the worst team in the entire NFL in terms of giveaways. The team had a losing record. I don't think Leftwich can brag about that season. His success as an offensive coordinator is exclusively with Brady.
Name a successful OC that doesn't have a good QB.
I'd prefer a HC with previous HC experience, but I wouldn't complain if they hired Leftwich.
I wouldn't hate it if Leftwich was the choice. I'd be happy that it wasn't Bevell or BOB. Having Brady doesn't prove he's bad, but it also doesn't prove he's good. I see him as risky. My preference would be a safer pick. I agree with you that I would also prefer someone with head coaching experience.
As for not having a good quarterback, I would point out that Pederson won a Super Bowl with Nick Foles as his quarterback. Nathaniel Hackett went to the AFC Championship Game with Blake Bortles as his quarterback. I think both of those feats are more impressive than winning a Super Bowl with Tom Brady. Why should Leftwich jump over them? I think many people are being influenced by name recognition and nostalgia. Only hire Leftwich if he's the best for the job. Previously playing here shouldn't factor into the equation.
(01-12-2022, 02:32 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Also, (and please do not get political in response to this), should the Jaguars hire Leftwich, we would receive compensatory draft picks. I’m not commenting on the pros or cons of the NFL policy, just pointing it out
Edit: I may be mistaken. Was that policy passed by the owners?
That policy wasn't for the team that hired them but instead for the team that helped develop them into being hired.
(01-12-2022, 02:34 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 11:00 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Name a successful OC that doesn't have a good QB.
I'd prefer a HC with previous HC experience, but I wouldn't complain if they hired Leftwich.
I wouldn't hate it if Leftwich was the choice. I'd be happy that it wasn't Bevell or BOB. Having Brady doesn't prove he's bad, but it also doesn't prove he's good. I see him as risky. My preference would be a safer pick. I agree with you that I would also prefer someone with head coaching experience.
As for not having a good quarterback, I would point out that Pederson won a Super Bowl with Nick Foles as his quarterback. Nathaniel Hackett went to the AFC Championship Game with Blake Bortles as his quarterback. I think both of those feats are more impressive than winning a Super Bowl with Tom Brady. Why should Leftwich jump over them? I think many people are being influenced by name recognition and nostalgia. Only hire Leftwich if he's the best for the job. Previously playing here shouldn't factor into the equation.
I'm not personally wanting Hackett, but I'm also being a little whiny about the playcalling in the second half of the AFCG.
But Pederson may not actually want to coach under Baalke and it seems like we are keeping him.
(01-12-2022, 12:19 PM)Sibelius Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 12:16 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]This is why I say pair Leftwich with an experienced HC like Caldwell or someone else.
I just don't see Leftwich leaving his current spot - working with Tom Brady, in the running for an SB ring every year - for anything less than a HC position. It would essentially be a lateral move, right?
Leftwich would be the HC but have an experienced coach as either a position coach or VP something. That would allow him to get feedback if needed without him being on his own and having to reach out to external people who may not have time or be the competition.
(01-12-2022, 02:34 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 11:00 AM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ]Name a successful OC that doesn't have a good QB.
I'd prefer a HC with previous HC experience, but I wouldn't complain if they hired Leftwich.
I wouldn't hate it if Leftwich was the choice. I'd be happy that it wasn't Bevell or BOB. Having Brady doesn't prove he's bad, but it also doesn't prove he's good. I see him as risky. My preference would be a safer pick. I agree with you that I would also prefer someone with head coaching experience.
As for not having a good quarterback, I would point out that Pederson won a Super Bowl with Nick Foles as his quarterback. Nathaniel Hackett went to the AFC Championship Game with Blake Bortles as his quarterback. I think both of those feats are more impressive than winning a Super Bowl with Tom Brady. Why should Leftwich jump over them? I think many people are being influenced by name recognition and nostalgia. Only hire Leftwich if he's the best for the job. Previously playing here shouldn't factor into the equation.
Personally, I think you're way off base here. I'm more focused on his success as an OC and things I'm reading about his command of the locker room. The guy has always been a 'film rat'. So far I'm liking everything I'm hearing about him.
Not only that, why would people be 'nostalgic' about a not very good quarterback? If it were Brunell...maybe. Leftwich? It's not like he was a star.
There's no such thing as a 'safe pick'.
I’m not completely sold on Leftwich. He’s a good OC and motivator, but based on his persona when he was here before, I see him struggling with all the duties of a HC. I’ve always considered him a little lackadaisical.
(01-12-2022, 03:06 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I’m not completely sold on Leftwich. He’s a good OC and motivator, but based on his persona when he was here before, I see him struggling with all the duties of a HC. I’ve always considered him a little lackadaisical.
I've never understood that...
I would take Leftwich over O'Brien....
(01-12-2022, 03:07 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 03:06 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]I’m not completely sold on Leftwich. He’s a good OC and motivator, but based on his persona when he was here before, I see him struggling with all the duties of a HC. I’ve always considered him a little lackadaisical.
I've never understood that...
Part of it stems from when he was here and the team offered to send him to a QB camp, on their dime, to help him improve. He turned it down.
People change, I get it, but I always received the impression from him that he was more for himself than the team. Some will argue it is unfounded, and they’re likely right, but that’s what I remember about his time here.
Leftwich is now the betting favorite too fwiw.
At this point if it’s anyone not named Bob, I’m ok.
(01-12-2022, 03:35 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Leftwich is now the betting favorite too fwiw.
That's awesome.
Just curious, where do you guys go exactly to see the updated Vegas odds for our head coach?
(01-12-2022, 03:14 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 03:07 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]I've never understood that...
Part of it stems from when he was here and the team offered to send him to a QB camp, on their dime, to help him improve. He turned it down.
People change, I get it, but I always received the impression from him that he was more for himself than the team. Some will argue it is unfounded, and they’re likely right, but that’s what I remember about his time here.
Lol
So do you think he’s lazy or not?
Putting down Leftwich but defending Meyer to the hilt...yikes.
When you have a GM like we do it really restricts your choices. Is it true the last 5 years of his career the HC has lost his job? If so we should begin the search for next year now maybe? (just to be proactive)
(01-12-2022, 04:06 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]When you have a GM like we do it really restricts your choices. Is it true the last 5 years of his career the HC has lost his job? If so we should begin the search for next year now maybe? (just to be proactive)
If we hire Leftwich I would bet Baalke is gone.
(01-12-2022, 04:02 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 03:14 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ]Part of it stems from when he was here and the team offered to send him to a QB camp, on their dime, to help him improve. He turned it down.
People change, I get it, but I always received the impression from him that he was more for himself than the team. Some will argue it is unfounded, and they’re likely right, but that’s what I remember about his time here.
Lol
So do you think he’s lazy or not?
I question whether he has what it takes to be a HC. It's more than being a film rat and putting a priority on giving game time to players with performance incentives in their contracts.
(01-12-2022, 04:13 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: [ -> ] (01-12-2022, 04:02 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Lol
So do you think he’s lazy or not?
I question whether he has what it takes to be a HC. It's more than being a film rat and putting a priority on giving game time to players with performance incentives in their contracts.
Which is totally fair.
But calling him “lackadaisical” seems farfetched and you even said it’s unfounded. No reason to bring up something that’s most likely not true.