(12-16-2021, 03:43 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2021, 03:35 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]People love to bash Bienemy because of Andy Reid but can't you say the same for Byron and Arians?
Not to mention, Byron has the luxury of Tom Brady who basically coaches himself.
In 2019, when Leftwich was OC without Brady, they had a top 5 passing offense. I think if he assembles the right staff he could do wonders with Trevor.
And he was still with Arians.
I'm not saying Byron can't do it but it seems Bienemy gets bashed for being under Reid while Byron with Arians is ignored.
(12-16-2021, 03:46 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2021, 03:43 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]In 2019, when Leftwich was OC without Brady, they had a top 5 passing offense. I think if he assembles the right staff he could do wonders with Trevor.
And he was still with Arians.
I'm not saying Byron can't do it but it seems Bienemy gets bashed for being under Reid while Byron with Arians is ignored.
I think because Beinemy is perceived to basically be a "figurehead" as Reid calls the plays and designs.
That may be true for Leftwich, I don't know how hand's on Arians is with the offense.
The owner must have someone advising him. Who is it?
I don't like Bieniemy nor Leftwich.
There's rumors now that Tomlin is on his way out in Pittsburgh. He's a defensive minded coach so his staff would have to be on point.
I still keep circling back to McDaniels, Moore and Roman though for Lawrence's sake. Same with Caldwell.
I still think the General Manager position has to be executed first new hire wise and it has to be a good one or promising one.
Again, if you want Moore, are you poaching McClay? If you want Roman, are you poaching Horitz? If you want McDaniels, are you poaching Wolf? These next two hires MUST be on the same wave length, frequency and unified front.
Otherwise the building just becomes completely tonedeaf across the board. This has to work. This team can end up in one of three ways now:
1. Ruining Lawrence.
2. Establishing Lawrence to be competent.
3. Establishing Lawrence to be elite.
All starts with a GM having the balls to pull the trigger in the draft and FA with a HC innovative enough and ballsy enough to push him intelligently.
A lame duck pairing gets you Baker Mayfield. A lay up pairing gets you Matt Ryan. A slam dunk pairing gets you Andrew Luck.
Have to get it right this time.
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Tennessee Defensive Coordinator Shane Bowen comes to mind as an intriguing option for the Jaguars HC position. Bowen will likely get at least one NFL HC interview this coming winter. Bowen is only 35 years old and this is his first season in Tennessee with the Title of Defensive Coordinator. However, with Tennessee having arguably the worst injury situation in the NFL this season, the results Bowen is getting on the Defensive Side of the ball, is impressive.
(12-16-2021, 03:49 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2021, 03:46 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]And he was still with Arians.
I'm not saying Byron can't do it but it seems Bienemy gets bashed for being under Reid while Byron with Arians is ignored.
I think because Beinemy is perceived to basically be a "figurehead" as Reid calls the plays and designs.
That may be true for Leftwich, I don't know how hand's on Arians is with the offense.
Yes. Exactly.
If Byron is essentially a figurehead and Arians calls the plays and designs them, is Byron any better than Bienemy?
(12-16-2021, 04:24 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2021, 03:49 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]I think because Beinemy is perceived to basically be a "figurehead" as Reid calls the plays and designs.
That may be true for Leftwich, I don't know how hand's on Arians is with the offense.
Yes. Exactly.
If Byron is essentially a figurehead and Arians calls the plays and designs them, is Byron any better than Bienemy?
Byron is calling the plays. Arians said that Byron is the only person he trusts to call the plays.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...fensively/
"Arians made it clear that he has delegated the offense to Leftwich."
Arians said, “I mean, people give me way too much credit because I don’t do sh-t, really. He does it all. He calls the plays. I’m really upset he didn’t get a head-coaching interview. . . . Byron didn’t even get a call, and I think people give Tom Brady and Bruce Arians way too much credit and not enough credit for Byron Leftwich.”
(12-16-2021, 04:43 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2021, 04:24 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Yes. Exactly.
If Byron is essentially a figurehead and Arians calls the plays and designs them, is Byron any better than Bienemy?
Byron is calling the plays. Arians said that Byron is the only person he trusts to call the plays.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...fensively/
"Arians made it clear that he has delegated the offense to Leftwich."
Arians said, “I mean, people give me way too much credit because I don’t do sh-t, really. He does it all. He calls the plays. I’m really upset he didn’t get a head-coaching interview. . . . Byron didn’t even get a call, and I think people give Tom Brady and Bruce Arians way too much credit and not enough credit for Byron Leftwich.”
Love hearing that.
(12-16-2021, 04:43 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2021, 04:24 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Yes. Exactly.
If Byron is essentially a figurehead and Arians calls the plays and designs them, is Byron any better than Bienemy?
Byron is calling the plays. Arians said that Byron is the only person he trusts to call the plays.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...fensively/
"Arians made it clear that he has delegated the offense to Leftwich."
Arians said, “I mean, people give me way too much credit because I don’t do sh-t, really. He does it all. He calls the plays. I’m really upset he didn’t get a head-coaching interview. . . . Byron didn’t even get a call, and I think people give Tom Brady and Bruce Arians way too much credit and not enough credit for Byron Leftwich.”
Its pretty clear Byron is heavily involved in the offense. I have no doubts of his X's and O's
The real question is does he have the ability to manage people and pull a slumping organization in a positive direction
(12-16-2021, 03:27 PM)jaglou53 Wrote: [ -> ]Dilla has a pretty good record with his predictions/sources.
I don't think Dilla was predicting Byron, and he definitely wasn't claiming that dude was a source of his. He also RT'd guys claiming Pederson and Caldwell would be great options. We're still firmly in speculation mode.
(12-16-2021, 05:30 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Reid's had some of his coaches succeed but also fold a bit. Not impressed with Nagy, Reich and Pederson had his moment. He's intriguing to an extent but also could have been extremely lucky that year. Bieniemy just doesn't seem legit right now.
Again, however. This has to be a package deal. GM - HC - Staffing. That is the order this must flow this time. Preferably a package deal from the same organization excited with the idea of building around and developing Lawrence into who he was drafted to be.
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Frank Reich has done a great job in Indy. It's a team that has a legit shot at getting to the SB this year, and is competitive with anyone.
I'd take him in a second, but he won't be available after the colts' playoff run.
Does Byron bring Godwin with him?
My first call is to Mike Tomlin and I make him say no.
I think a very Shsd thing to do would be to see the team play better under Bevell this last month, maybe win a game, and to name Bevell the head coach next year.
(12-16-2021, 07:00 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]I think a very Shsd thing to do would be to see the team play better under Bevell this last month, maybe win a game, and to name Bevell the head coach next year.
Khan seems to be learning a few things. He’s been there, done that. I don think we have to worry about that. I also don’t think we need to worry about Baalke returning.
(12-16-2021, 07:00 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]I think a very Shsd thing to do would be to see the team play better under Bevell this last month, maybe win a game, and to name Bevell the head coach next year.
I could see Baalke trying to steer things that way so he can keep his job. Hopefully Khan isn't going to fall for it.
(12-16-2021, 04:22 PM)D6 Wrote: [ -> ]Tennessee Defensive Coordinator Shane Bowen comes to mind as an intriguing option for the Jaguars HC position. Bowen will likely get at least one NFL HC interview this coming winter. Bowen is only 35 years old and this is his first season in Tennessee with the Title of Defensive Coordinator. However, with Tennessee having arguably the worst injury situation in the NFL this season, the results Bowen is getting on the Defensive Side of the ball, is impressive.
Great call D6.
(12-16-2021, 05:16 PM)anonymous2112 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2021, 05:30 AM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Reid's had some of his coaches succeed but also fold a bit. Not impressed with Nagy, Reich and Pederson had his moment. He's intriguing to an extent but also could have been extremely lucky that year. Bieniemy just doesn't seem legit right now.
Again, however. This has to be a package deal. GM - HC - Staffing. That is the order this must flow this time. Preferably a package deal from the same organization excited with the idea of building around and developing Lawrence into who he was drafted to be.
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Frank Reich has done a great job in Indy. It's a team that has a legit shot at getting to the SB this year, and is competitive with anyone.
I'd take him in a second, but he won't be available after the colts' playoff run.
Meh. Up, down, Up and looking down again this year at 7 - 6. If he can get wins over New England and Arizona I will be impressed in the next two weeks but I doubt it.
He's finished in 2nd place twice in the division. He's not a bad coach. But, he's like Nagy to me. Maybe not as dysfunctional. Same results though.
What's crazy to me is that as much as that team is touted with the players they have defensively and some good names right now offensively they seem to underachieve the most.
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(12-16-2021, 03:49 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2021, 03:46 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]And he was still with Arians.
I'm not saying Byron can't do it but it seems Bienemy gets bashed for being under Reid while Byron with Arians is ignored.
I think because Beinemy is perceived to basically be a "figurehead" as Reid calls the plays and designs.
That may be true for Leftwich, I don't know how hand's on Arians is with the offense.
My issue with Beinemy is (and maybe I'm wrong here I don't watch much KC football) that this is his first year actually calling plays. Everyone was talking about Mahomes being great but that was under Reid, not Beinemy. With Beinemy calling the plays Mahomes doesn't look the same.
As far as Byron, man that would be a feel good story I think. But there to I wonder about the system and players around them.
I think if the choice I was I would choose Kellen Moore, Dallas wasn't good last year and they are doing great this year. But his age may be an issue. Or maybe Jim Caldwell or Josh McDaniels.
Here's a darkhorse combination. Which wouldn't surprise me at all.
JoJo Wooden and Joe Lombardi. Wooden has been with the Chargers since 2013 as the Director of Player Personnel. Spent sixteen years with the Jets prior to that in similar roles.
He's been around some high's and low's. Worked in three challenging markets in the NFL between New York, San Diego and Los Angeles. Been apart of some interesting and intriguing roster builds in general.
Lombardi has the name. However, he also has the NFL experience and he's done great with Herbert in year one already as the play caller over there. He's showcased a relatively well balanced offensive attack.
Prior to that he was with Payton in New Orleans as the QBs coach in two separate stints. He was in Detroit with Caldwell a few years ago as the offensive coordinator when they were 11 - 5 and 7 - 9 for a two year stint.
This is a very quiet, intriguing combination that could sneak up into the conversation in the weeks to come. It's not overly flashy. However, it has a McDermott / Stefanski kind of vibe to it. Meaning, it could be what this team needs in the long run.
Some consistency.
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