Serious question, who was the last coach that was a retread? Reid? I do not know the answer to that question, maybe that means that retreads are just as likely to fail as new hc's. They likely come with other issues and benefits, an issue I can think of is they may be stubborn because they know what works. A benefit could be that they know what works :-P
(01-14-2022, 07:49 PM)MIJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]Serious question, who was the last coach that was a retread? Reid? I do not know the answer to that question, maybe that means that retreads are just as likely to fail as new hc's. They likely come with other issues and benefits, an issue I can think of is they may be stubborn because they know what works. A benefit could be that they know what works :-P
Quite a few current or future HOF coaches were retreads. Heck, Coughlin was a retread when he won a Superbowl in New York.
(01-14-2022, 07:34 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 07:30 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see anything statistically to back that opinion at all.
Just their histories. In most industries, experience and success is considered a plus and somewhat an indicator of future performance.
(01-14-2022, 07:28 PM)MoJagFan Wrote: [ -> ]I actually feel better about Leftwich then I thought I would be on hiring him. I guess that could be a return to optimism and that means it probably won't happen.
Edit:
Honestly there is huge bust potential in anything we do. We need to figure out a way to get fundamentals working and build. No cute crap, buzz words, rah rah nonsense, or anything that doesn't focus on winning.
Need to win one on ones, win in the trenches, win and build up and execute.
I agree about no rah rah, we need a good football guy.
To my point, if experience isn't important, I guess we could go after Peyton Manning, I read something about him being interested in getting into coaching. We could also get MJD as OC.
What horrible examples. In what capacity have they ever COACHED?
(01-14-2022, 07:47 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 04:54 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]100% agree. Only other name I'd want out there is Moore, but if they are sold on Byron open up the checkbook.
Would they or could they 'announce' it with the Bucs still in the playoffs?
Don’t see what the big rush is. It’s like the rush to draft Alualu. No one else will hire him this time but us. He’s light years better than BoB though.
Who said anything about rushing?
(01-14-2022, 08:09 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 07:34 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]Just their histories. In most industries, experience and success is considered a plus and somewhat an indicator of future performance.
I agree about no rah rah, we need a good football guy.
To my point, if experience isn't important, I guess we could go after Peyton Manning, I read something about him being interested in getting into coaching. We could also get MJD as OC.
What horrible examples. In what capacity have they ever COACHED?
So are you thinking experience may have a bearing on if they're successful or not?
Listen, I don't mean this as a dis against first time coaches. Everyone has to start somewhere and I think Leftwich will end up as a good HC at some point but the Jags have to play the odds.
(01-14-2022, 01:36 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 12:41 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ]There's always a risk but you have to minimize it if you can, especially in this case. A candidate with previous HC experience is just a safer bet IMO.
Prior coaching experience at LOSING. the best you can get is a mediocre coach or he would not be out there to be recycled. At least with getting a new up and coming offensive genius there is a blank slate. You could have something great there and not mediocre.
"Recycled" coaches have won 15 of the last 20 Super Bowls.
Interesting enoughly, of the 5 exceptions, one of them is Doug Pederson who is available for us to hire right now. He should be the choice.
(01-14-2022, 08:09 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Who said anything about rushing?
I said that if they are sure he is the guy they want they should shut down the rest of the coaching search and go all in on Leftwich.
To the other dude, Leftwich is a hot commodity and if we don't get him it's very likely any number of other teams could scoop him up. 1/4 of the league needs a head coach right now.
(01-14-2022, 08:43 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 08:09 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]Who said anything about rushing?
I said that if they are sure he is the guy they want they should shut down the rest of the coaching search and go all in on Leftwich.
To the other dude, Leftwich is a hot commodity and if we don't get him it's very likely any number of other teams could scoop him up. 1/4 of the league needs a head coach right now.
Hmm ? to the upper dude… there are many other hot commodities, and aside from Moore, Byron has the least experience of all.
(01-14-2022, 07:53 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 07:49 PM)MIJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]Serious question, who was the last coach that was a retread? Reid? I do not know the answer to that question, maybe that means that retreads are just as likely to fail as new hc's. They likely come with other issues and benefits, an issue I can think of is they may be stubborn because they know what works. A benefit could be that they know what works :-P
Quite a few current or future HOF coaches were retreads. Heck, Coughlin was a retread when he won a Superbowl in New York.
Yes, but would you have hired Coughlin to be the "new" coach of the Jaguars? (Yes I know he was with us before NY, but pretend he was with another team and just let go by them).
(01-14-2022, 09:03 AM)Protozoa Wrote: [ -> ] (01-13-2022, 10:19 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Winston not only had his career high in interceptions under Leftwich, but it was over double the number he averaged in his prior four years.
Every QB that played for BA threw for a record number of interceptions the first year they played for him except Brady.
Also what I find funny about this argument is you're basically putting blame on Leftwich for Winston's inability to read defenses but then give Brady all of the credit for what he's done with the Bucs.
Tom Brady was clearly good prior to playing for Leftwich. Have you been in this country long?
In regards to Winston, try to keep up with the conversation. Leftwich fans were arguing that he didn't need Brady to have a great offense and used Winston's year as their only example. That so-called great offense was the
WORST team in the entire NFL in turnovers. I have trouble calling any offense that is worst in the league in turnovers as good, not to mention great.
(01-14-2022, 07:49 PM)MIJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]Serious question, who was the last coach that was a retread? Reid? I do not know the answer to that question, maybe that means that retreads are just as likely to fail as new hc's. They likely come with other issues and benefits, an issue I can think of is they may be stubborn because they know what works. A benefit could be that they know what works :-P
Not sure I would call a coach on his 2nd head coaching gig a retread. Are Pete Carroll, Belichick, Dungy, Parcells, Jimmy Johnson (and a whole bunch more) also considered retreads? I dont consider Reid a retread either. You dont obtain retread status until maybe your 3rd or 4th hire as head coach, IMHO.
Hahahaha
He’s blocked so many people that he’s hours late on posting tweets other people have posted.
I dont see the reason to block anyone. If they shoot at you, just shoot back. Combat on contact. It gets hot in the kitchen, but you can stand the heat. Next week might be interesting. I'd like to see who and if what coaches get the second interviews.
Ha
(01-14-2022, 08:54 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 08:43 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I said that if they are sure he is the guy they want they should shut down the rest of the coaching search and go all in on Leftwich.
To the other dude, Leftwich is a hot commodity and if we don't get him it's very likely any number of other teams could scoop him up. 1/4 of the league needs a head coach right now.
Hmm ? to the upper dude… there are many other hot commodities, and aside from Moore, Byron has the least experience of all.
Moore is a hot commodity too. So are a bunch of other guys. But there are also 8 job openings. Lots of hot commodities will get jobs, I think Leftwich included if not by us then someone else would greedily snatch him up this cycle.
I just hope they pick a head coach that has been a head coach before. There are not many that get it "right" the first time around. (no matter hot a commodity they are) Just my opinion. Also, I would prefer they did not hire one that half the fan base does not like even before being hired like Urban was.
(01-14-2022, 10:50 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]I dont see the reason to block anyone. If they shoot at you, just shoot back. Combat on contact. It gets hot in the kitchen, but you can stand the heat. Next week might be interesting. I'd like to see who and if what coaches get the second interviews.
Ha
The number one rule of the Internet. Be prepared to weather the braying of the sheep if you dare have a contrary opinion. The corollary of the first rule is that an easy endorphin kick is available to the sheep by virtue of being a sheep. "Bah! Bah!" little lambs.
(01-14-2022, 04:39 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Stop the rest of the search and go all in on Byron please. Don't let another team get him while we are being thorough for the sake of it.
I agree.
(01-14-2022, 11:41 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote: [ -> ] (01-14-2022, 10:50 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]I dont see the reason to block anyone. If they shoot at you, just shoot back. Combat on contact. It gets hot in the kitchen, but you can stand the heat. Next week might be interesting. I'd like to see who and if what coaches get the second interviews.
Ha
The number one rule of the Internet. Be prepared to weather the braying of the sheep if you dare have a contrary opinion. The corollary of the first rule is that an easy endorphin kick is available to the sheep by virtue of being a sheep. "Bah! Bah!" little lambs.
My motto is to ignore idiots. Just like in life I don't give idiots the time of day. The people on my block list I do not respect while they rarely have anything worth reading aside from insulting other users.
. This board is becoming as toxic as the team. I come here to talk football, not argue with internet tough guys who hurl insults like it's middle school.
If you choose not to block people and argue with idiots that is your prerogative. I rather stick to football.
I constantly have different views then the sheep on the board so not afraid of controversy.
