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(12-29-2021, 12:29 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]So you are cool with..

No experience, guys who failed miserably prior and have only been good as of late because they are an OC for QBs who are headed to the HOF.

Hackett bro? Really. Yes let's bring back king bubble screen.

(12-29-2021, 06:24 AM)YouMadThough Wrote: [ -> ]Hackett sucks and I cant believe people actually think thats a good idea.

From the limited amount I have seen of both of your posts on here, I will extremely happily take the other side.

(12-29-2021, 11:19 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2021, 12:29 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: [ -> ]So you are cool with..

No experience, guys who failed miserably prior and have only been good as of late because they are an OC for QBs who are headed to the HOF.

Hackett bro? Really. Yes let's bring back king bubble screen.

(12-29-2021, 06:24 AM)YouMadThough Wrote: [ -> ]Hackett sucks and I cant believe people actually think thats a good idea.

From the limited amount I have seen of both of your posts on here, I will extremely happily take the other side.

You're opinion is noted and dismissed.

(12-29-2021, 10:48 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2021, 09:04 AM)MIJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]I dont like the idea of bringing in a OC with a HOF QB, You don't know who's responsible for the success. Look at KC, all everyone was talking about the past couple of years was how great Mahomes is, while he's good, I think its Andy Reid. Reid seems to always get the most out of his QB's. Now that Bieniemy is calling the plays, Mahomes doesn't look the same. Why have people been calling for Bieniemy to get a HC gig? Same thing goes for Hackett and Leftwich, I am not saying these guys can't be good HC's but why? If you have an amazing QB does it really matter who the OC is? I would look for the OC's who make their QBs look better, who get the most out of them, like Reid. Find me an OC with an average QB doing great things, that's the guy that I want. Not the OC with a great QB doing amazing things. Take Caldwell, he did things with an average to above average QB in Detroit, or Pederson who had an average qb in both Wentz and Foles. Those are the guys who have done things.

Agree on Caldwell, but Reich was the reason for Wentz/Foles.  Case in point is Indy this year.

The Eagles defense was the biggest reason the Eagles won the SB that year

(12-29-2021, 11:53 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2021, 10:48 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Agree on Caldwell, but Reich was the reason for Wentz/Foles.  Case in point is Indy this year.

The Eagles defense was the biggest reason the Eagles won the SB that year

Which was all Reichs defense....

Reich is a good coach and Jacksonville would cream their panties if they had a guy like him running the team.

(12-29-2021, 11:54 AM)YouMadThough Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2021, 11:53 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]The Eagles defense was the biggest reason the Eagles won the SB that year

Which was all Reichs defense....

Reich is a good coach and Jacksonville would cream their panties if they had a guy like him running the team.

Reich was the Eagles OC

(12-29-2021, 11:57 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2021, 11:54 AM)YouMadThough Wrote: [ -> ]Which was all Reichs defense....

Reich is a good coach and Jacksonville would cream their panties if they had a guy like him running the team.

Reich was the Eagles OC

Whos the HC thats coaching the Colts team?

Good coaches build a good coaching staff around.

(12-29-2021, 10:48 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2021, 09:04 AM)MIJagsFan Wrote: [ -> ]I dont like the idea of bringing in a OC with a HOF QB, You don't know who's responsible for the success. Look at KC, all everyone was talking about the past couple of years was how great Mahomes is, while he's good, I think its Andy Reid. Reid seems to always get the most out of his QB's. Now that Bieniemy is calling the plays, Mahomes doesn't look the same. Why have people been calling for Bieniemy to get a HC gig? Same thing goes for Hackett and Leftwich, I am not saying these guys can't be good HC's but why? If you have an amazing QB does it really matter who the OC is? I would look for the OC's who make their QBs look better, who get the most out of them, like Reid. Find me an OC with an average QB doing great things, that's the guy that I want. Not the OC with a great QB doing amazing things. Take Caldwell, he did things with an average to above average QB in Detroit, or Pederson who had an average qb in both Wentz and Foles. Those are the guys who have done things.

Agree on Caldwell, but Reich was the reason for Wentz/Foles.  Case in point is Indy this year.

Not to crap on your parade of redistributing credit, but Reich left the eagles after their Superbowl, and Wentz had a couple of more decent seasons there after Reich left. Foles also had a decent season there after he left ( got the eagles into the playoffs, again).

Reich has had success in Indy, but Pedersen and the QBs did just fine after he left, too.

(12-29-2021, 11:59 AM)YouMadThough Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2021, 11:57 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]Reich was the Eagles OC

Whos the HC thats coaching the Colts team?

Good coaches build a good coaching staff around.

You just said it was Reichs defense, yet he was the OC lol.  Who do think was the HC of that Eagles team that built that staff including Reich at OC?

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(12-29-2021, 12:18 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2021, 10:48 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: [ -> ]Agree on Caldwell, but Reich was the reason for Wentz/Foles.  Case in point is Indy this year.

Not to crap on your parade of redistributing credit, but Reich left the eagles after their Superbowl, and Wentz had a couple of more decent seasons there after Reich left. Foles also had a decent season there after he left ( got the eagles into the playoffs, again).

Reich has had success in Indy, but Pedersen and the QBs did just fine after he left, too.

Agreed, it was Pederson that was running that ship.  Colts passing game hasn't really been that good since Reich has been there

(12-29-2021, 12:18 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2021, 11:59 AM)YouMadThough Wrote: [ -> ]Whos the HC thats coaching the Colts team?

Good coaches build a good coaching staff around.

You just said it was Reichs defense, yet he was the OC lol.  Who do think was the HC of that Eagles team that built that staff including Reich at OC?

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(12-29-2021, 12:18 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Not to crap on your parade of redistributing credit, but Reich left the eagles after their Superbowl, and Wentz had a couple of more decent seasons there after Reich left. Foles also had a decent season there after he left ( got the eagles into the playoffs, again).

Reich has had success in Indy, but Pedersen and the QBs did just fine after he left, too.

Agreed, it was Pederson that was running that ship.  Colts passing game hasn't really been that good since Reich has been there

Then why does Pederson have an overall losing record as a head coach in his seasons without Reich?

(12-29-2021, 01:09 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2021, 12:18 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]You just said it was Reichs defense, yet he was the OC lol.  Who do think was the HC of that Eagles team that built that staff including Reich at OC?

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Agreed, it was Pederson that was running that ship.  Colts passing game hasn't really been that good since Reich has been there

Then why does Pederson have an overall losing record as a head coach in his seasons without Reich?

The main reason is probably that Reich got out at the optimal time.

Foles went 4-1 in 2018 with Reich gone, and we know he is hot garbage. Pedersen is a guy who has shown he can win without a great QB. Arguably Reich has wasted some good talent with the colts so far with a lot of bad in game decisions.

(12-29-2021, 01:09 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2021, 12:18 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]You just said it was Reichs defense, yet he was the OC lol.  Who do think was the HC of that Eagles team that built that staff including Reich at OC?

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Agreed, it was Pederson that was running that ship.  Colts passing game hasn't really been that good since Reich has been there

Then why does Pederson have an overall losing record as a head coach in his seasons without Reich?

No QB and the injuries on defense along with the injuries to Wentz.  No WRs didn't help either.

(12-29-2021, 01:43 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2021, 01:09 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Then why does Pederson have an overall losing record as a head coach in his seasons without Reich?

No QB and the injuries on defense along with the injuries to Wentz.  No WRs didn't help either.

That, and also the fact that Lurie was forcing his hand over Pederson's personnel wise and he had to eat [BLEEP] that year instead of using the guy he really wanted as his offensive coordinator.

Something that often gets overlooked for some reason. Not sure about all the details but that would piss me off too.


Edit:

From an article:

Micromanaging Doug

A big theme in the story dealt with the way the front office — namely owner Jeff Lurie and GM Howie Roseman — treated Doug Pederson.


Pederson was the coach in Philly for five seasons before he was fired this past offseason. When the Eagles hired him back in 2016, it wasn’t a very popular decision, but Pederson went on to make the playoffs three years in a row and won a Super Bowl at the tail end of the 2017 season.


But the story from The Athletic paints a picture of the front office undermining Pederson quite often, especially when it came to his coaching staff. While we’ve heard some of this before, the story says that Pederson had to fight for Frank Reich to return after the 2016 season and also details his battle to keep Mike Groh and Carson Walch after the 2018 season.

Pederson lost that battle and Groh and Walch were fired. According to the report, Lurie gave Pederson 24 hours to make the moves and Pederson would be fired if he didn’t.

Even this past offseason, a main disagreement that led to Pederson’s dismissal was over coaching staff. Pederson wanted to keep his guys and Lurie wanted to shake up the staff again.
Here’s one quote from the story:

“The fact that Doug had the success he did with all the s— going on in the building, sometimes I look at our Super Bowl rings, and I’m like, ‘Holy cow, I don’t know how we did it.’”


This offseason, the Eagles hired another young first-time head coach in Nick Sirianni. The details of Pederson’s time in Philly lead you to wonder how Sirianni will be able to find success in this environment. But it is worth mentioning that it appears Sirianni was given the freedom to hire all — or at least most — of his first coaching staff.

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(12-29-2021, 01:50 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2021, 01:43 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]No QB and the injuries on defense along with the injuries to Wentz.  No WRs didn't help either.

That, and also the fact that Lurie was forcing his hand over Pederson's personnel wise and he had to eat [BLEEP] that year instead of using the guy he really wanted as his offensive coordinator.

Something that often gets overlooked for some reason. Not sure about all the details but that would piss me off too.


Edit:

From an article:

Micromanaging Doug

A big theme in the story dealt with the way the front office — namely owner Jeff Lurie and GM Howie Roseman — treated Doug Pederson.


Pederson was the coach in Philly for five seasons before he was fired this past offseason. When the Eagles hired him back in 2016, it wasn’t a very popular decision, but Pederson went on to make the playoffs three years in a row and won a Super Bowl at the tail end of the 2017 season.


But the story from The Athletic paints a picture of the front office undermining Pederson quite often, especially when it came to his coaching staff. While we’ve heard some of this before, the story says that Pederson had to fight for Frank Reich to return after the 2016 season and also details his battle to keep Mike Groh and Carson Walch after the 2018 season.

Pederson lost that battle and Groh and Walch were fired. According to the report, Lurie gave Pederson 24 hours to make the moves and Pederson would be fired if he didn’t.

Even this past offseason, a main disagreement that led to Pederson’s dismissal was over coaching staff. Pederson wanted to keep his guys and Lurie wanted to shake up the staff again.
Here’s one quote from the story:

“The fact that Doug had the success he did with all the s— going on in the building, sometimes I look at our Super Bowl rings, and I’m like, ‘Holy cow, I don’t know how we did it.’”


This offseason, the Eagles hired another young first-time head coach in Nick Sirianni. The details of Pederson’s time in Philly lead you to wonder how Sirianni will be able to find success in this environment. But it is worth mentioning that it appears Sirianni was given the freedom to hire all — or at least most — of his first coaching staff.

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Good post

Caldwell is the best of all that you suggest listed, followed by Moore at the #2...

Per PFT pederson interviews on Thursday

(12-29-2021, 03:18 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Per PFT pederson interviews on Thursday

Unless he comes off as unworkable in this organization he should be the guy. After the crap he had to put up with in Philly this light to seem like a dream job. Then they can interview Byron to satisfy the Rooney rule and move forward.

(12-29-2021, 03:36 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2021, 03:18 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Per PFT pederson interviews on Thursday

Unless he comes off as unworkable in this organization he should be the guy. After the crap he had to put up with in Philly this light to seem like a dream job. Then they can interview Byron to satisfy the Rooney rule and move forward.

Caldwell interview would satisfy Rooney rule also no? Unless it is specifically about coordinators or other asst coaches of color? Either way, I think it behooves the team to honestly interview and listen to all of the candidates

I think Pederson should be the guy as well. The only potential roadblocks besides baalke is he just interviewing to prep for an opening that he really wants (Chicago, Vegas, etc)

I love Caps idea of Marvin Lewis as EVP. Add Pederson as HC and Caldwell as QB coach and assistant HC? That would be a huge injection of instant respectability and good will.

(12-29-2021, 03:36 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-29-2021, 03:18 PM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Per PFT pederson interviews on Thursday

Unless he comes off as unworkable in this organization he should be the guy. After the crap he had to put up with in Philly this light to seem like a dream job. Then they can interview Byron to satisfy the Rooney rule and move forward.

Every time I see a game on TV the commentators talk about Leftwich being a head coaching candidate.  Is that the Rooney rule too?