What is happening?!
Now Spielman and Pederson?
Spielman never found a QB but guess what he doesn’t have to do here? Find a QB!
He built one incredible roster and found my boy Diggs. All in for that.
(02-01-2022, 10:58 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 11:58 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: [ -> ]I don't like the idea of having a first time GM and a first time head coach in charge. Experience matters!
...you realize both teams in the SB are led by first-time coaches and first-time GMs?
Some people on this board are so scared to take risks. What do we have to lose? It's not like this team is good at any position. If they fail, we're already at rock bottom. We can only go up from here. Why not take a chance on first time guys from winning organizations? I'd rather have that than a subpar or even average retread. Low risk means low rewards. High risk means high rewards.
(02-01-2022, 11:07 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Spielman and Pederson works quite well for me, if Baalke is gone.
Baalke will likely stay since we have to pay him anyway since he's under contract. He will just have less of a voice.
As I have said, this team will not EVER be a real contender until Mr. Khan builds a solid football organization. Hiring a solid GM is certainly a positive step. But, not sure he understands this. He should have canned Baalke when he let Meyer go. Pretty much the entire NFL came out against Baalke and stated that the Jags would not be able to attract top coaching prospects with Baalke in place. I am not convinced that Mr. Khan understands this. If he finds the right GM, then he and Mr. Khan need to discuss Head Coaches immediately. Then when this team is in place, he needs to stay out of the day to day and let them do their job, which includes:
Overhauling the entire coaching team; Overhauling the personnel department; building a solid talent network so they can pick up talent OUTSIDE OF THE DRAFT!!! Most of you think that winning teams depend on the draft. The draft is a tool and not a primary tool. If you are going to have brain surgery do you pick a surgeon who just graduated? Most of us would go for proven experience. The draft is overrated. IMO, winning teams have selectively picked up talent through trades and acquisitions and have been more successful. Tampa Bay was once as bad as the Jags but they rebuilt NOT through the draft but through acquiring talented, seasoned NFL players. This has been repeated by other teams as well. Now remember I did not say to ignore the draft or the draft is not important. The NFL draft is simply one method to find and develop talent, and as we know too well, Jags have been HORRIBLE at selecting and developing talent for the past decade!! So what do you ask has been the Jags biggest asset?? The fans!! My 30 year old son is a DIE hard fan and many on this blog are as well. Our fans are awesome! God bless you. Let your feelings show to Mr. Khan. We deserve a better organization and a better team!!!
(02-01-2022, 11:07 AM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]Spielman and Pederson works quite well for me, if Baalke is gone.
Baalke will likely stay since we have to pay him anyway since he's under contract. He will just have less of a voice.
I like this Spielman/Peterson combo.
(02-01-2022, 11:23 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 10:58 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]...you realize both teams in the SB are led by first-time coaches and first-time GMs?
Some people on this board are so scared to take risks. What do we have to lose? It's not like this team is good at any position. If they fail, we're already at rock bottom. We can only go up from here. Why not take a chance on first time guys from winning organizations? I'd rather have that than a subpar or even average retread. Low risk means low rewards. High risk means high rewards.
I'm still hoping for Leftwich/Wilson.
I'll
settle for Pederson/Spielman as a consolation prize.
I think the prior HC experience thing is waaaaaay overrated.
(02-01-2022, 11:15 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]They interviewed Spielman in person? I thought Shad was in the Bahamas. I'd be cool with pederson and speilman but would feel bad for Leftwich.
Why would you feel bad for Leftwich. If he were offered the job and placed conditional factors upon accepting, then he drew the line in the sand and will live with it accordingly. If not in Jax, I see Arians retiring after this upcoming year and Leftwich stepping into that job. It seems to make the most sense and he already has a good core group of offensive and defensive talent with the Bucs.
(02-01-2022, 11:26 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 11:23 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]Some people on this board are so scared to take risks. What do we have to lose? It's not like this team is good at any position. If they fail, we're already at rock bottom. We can only go up from here. Why not take a chance on first time guys from winning organizations? I'd rather have that than a subpar or even average retread. Low risk means low rewards. High risk means high rewards.
I'm still hoping for Leftwich/Wilson.
I'll settle for Pederson/Spielman as a consolation prize.
I think the prior HC experience thing is waaaaaay overrated.
I fully admit, I wanted Brian Daboll/Ed Dobbs. That is over, so I really wanted Leftwich/Wilson. I just don't think it's gonna happen though. I really think Khan has no intention of firing Baalke, because of blackmail. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. Keeping Baalke in
any capacity is unacceptable.
(02-01-2022, 11:35 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 11:26 AM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]I'm still hoping for Leftwich/Wilson.
I'll settle for Pederson/Spielman as a consolation prize.
I think the prior HC experience thing is waaaaaay overrated.
I fully admit, I wanted Brian Daboll/Ed Dobbs. That is over, so I really wanted Leftwich/Wilson. I just don't think it's gonna happen though. I really think Khan has no intention of firing Baalke, because of blackmail. That's the only thing that makes sense to me. Keeping Baalke in any capacity is unacceptable.
It's more then likely Baalke stays, but if he "stays" as a figurehead with Speilman basically assuming GM duties, I can get behind that
I feel the jags need a vp of football operations but unless Spielmen gets to make his own mind up on a gm then what is the point in hiring him.
If they really do like Byron and Wilson , some one like Spielmen as vp and a vic fangio as dc would be great experience to help them both. But that seems too logical for the current circus
(01-31-2022, 10:24 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote: [ -> ] (01-31-2022, 10:17 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]If you are talking to me, I watched every min of every game including preseason this year. I've learned enough and dont want to see a repeat of this horrendously historically bad offense. It's not all his fault, but a lot of it was. Hes the play caller and the buck stops with him.
I wasn't. Reading the imbedded quote would tell you that.
I watched every game as well and easily noticed a change for the better once Meyer was removed from the equation.
Not only that, but this year wasn't about wins and losses as it was about developing Trevor. He made many mistakes you'd expect from a rookie, but by and large he was making big strides in his growth that will make him so much more prepared for the future.
You sure about that? What I noticed is that we immediately lost to the Jets, one of the worst teams in the league, and to the Texans, the only other team in the league that could rival the disfunction of ours.
We couldn't even get enough of a post-HC-firing emotional charge out of the team to beat either of the most beatable teams in the league, and we didn't even come close. Bevell doesn't even move the needle.
Oh, and btw, Meyer delegated everything and had next to nothing to do with how the offense was run. That historically bad offense we saw all year was all Darrell's.
With hardball looking like he is going to the Vikings, the jags is the best job opportunity left I believe.
(02-01-2022, 12:20 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]With hardball looking like he is going to the Vikings, the jags is the best job opportunity left I believe.
Dolphins.
Right state, wrong city.
(02-01-2022, 11:33 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 11:15 AM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]They interviewed Spielman in person? I thought Shad was in the Bahamas. I'd be cool with pederson and speilman but would feel bad for Leftwich.
Why would you feel bad for Leftwich. If he were offered the job and placed conditional factors upon accepting, then he drew the line in the sand and will live with it accordingly. If not in Jax, I see Arians retiring after this upcoming year and Leftwich stepping into that job. It seems to make the most sense and he already has a good core group of offensive and defensive talent with the Bucs.
Depends on what happens with Baalke. If they fire Baalke for Pederson/Speilman but wouldn't do the same for Leftwich/Wilson, I wouldnt understand that and would feel bad for Lefty. Especially since it seems like Leftwich really wants to come here. But if the Pederson/Speilman duo is dependent on Baalke staying then that wouldnt necessarily be a slight on Lefty.
(02-01-2022, 12:28 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 11:33 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Why would you feel bad for Leftwich. If he were offered the job and placed conditional factors upon accepting, then he drew the line in the sand and will live with it accordingly. If not in Jax, I see Arians retiring after this upcoming year and Leftwich stepping into that job. It seems to make the most sense and he already has a good core group of offensive and defensive talent with the Bucs.
Depends on what happens with Baalke. If they fire Baalke for Pederson/Speilman but wouldn't do the same for Leftwich/Wilson, I wouldnt understand that and would feel bad for Lefty. Especially since it seems like Leftwich really wants to come here. But if the Pederson/Speilman duo is dependent on Baalke staying then that wouldnt necessarily be a slight on Lefty.
Right. My assumption was built on the fact they are keeping Baalke either way so that was never an option. As such Leftwich made his choice not to accept the job.
To be honest, I think Leftwich is better off in New Orleans or Tampa. I think there's still some resentment (and racism) here from a portion of our population.
(02-01-2022, 12:33 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 12:28 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]Depends on what happens with Baalke. If they fire Baalke for Pederson/Speilman but wouldn't do the same for Leftwich/Wilson, I wouldnt understand that and would feel bad for Lefty. Especially since it seems like Leftwich really wants to come here. But if the Pederson/Speilman duo is dependent on Baalke staying then that wouldnt necessarily be a slight on Lefty.
Right. My assumption was built on the fact they are keeping Baalke either way so that was never an option. As such Leftwich made his choice not to accept the job.
To be honest, I think Leftwich is better off in New Orleans or Tampa. I think there's still some resentment (and racism) here from a portion of our population.
How many tines during the day do you refer to others as being racist?
This is just hilarious.
You’re speaking to Spielman now?! Good grief.
Hopefully he ends up coming here but again, botched.
Spielman and Pederson or Spielman/Leftwich. I’m good with either.
(02-01-2022, 10:54 AM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 10:53 AM)Mikey Wrote: [ -> ]I took pleasure in the use of the phrase "voice of reason" above, as that is often used when posters are accused of trolling. It is so very, very perfect in its usage to describe Baalke.
Kudos.
5 billion versus a paltry $120 million?
And his lawyers will make sure he never pays it
So you don't think there's any traction there?
(02-01-2022, 12:49 PM)jagman Wrote: [ -> ] (02-01-2022, 12:33 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Right. My assumption was built on the fact they are keeping Baalke either way so that was never an option. As such Leftwich made his choice not to accept the job.
To be honest, I think Leftwich is better off in New Orleans or Tampa. I think there's still some resentment (and racism) here from a portion of our population.
How many tines during the day do you refer to others as being racist?
Probably about 2x per month on average if you check my history.
These were my thoughts in the 'Black Monday' thread, regarding Rick Spielman, after he was fired by the Vikings:
I'm somewhat surprised that the Vikings fired GM Rick Spielman. One thing the Vikings didn't lack was high end talented players. Rick Spielman did a great job in draft day trades, often trading down and still ending up with the best player from the draft day trade. Granted, Spielman had some big draft misses. But his share of Home Runs was amongst the best in the NFL. Any team looking for a GM should try to set up an interview with Rick Spielman ASAP.