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Getting ETN back next season will be like having two 1st round picks.

(01-24-2022, 10:15 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Getting ETN back next season will be like having two 1st round picks.

So true

(01-24-2022, 09:29 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-24-2022, 05:23 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: [ -> ]I'll take anyone that is bringing in a new GM. Keeping Baalke means I'm taking at least a year off of football. That guy has to go!

You ain't going anywhere come week 1.  Who you kidding?

I'm fed up. This is different. We're so bad, I'm starting to lose interest. If something doesn't change, (Baalke) I have no desire to watch more of the same. I need to see that there is hope on the horizon and getting a new coach with Baalke drafting the players gives me no hope at all.

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(01-24-2022, 10:15 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: [ -> ]Getting ETN back next season will be like having two 1st round picks.

I am not very confident about that. I have yet to see a skill position player return from lisfranc surgery and return to 100% or even close. I sincerely hope he does though. We cannot afford another wasted draft pick.

Bad luck on offense in 2021. The injuries hurt bad and exposed how bad the wr core can be. It's time for hopefully a good draft and free agency once this new coach is finally hired.

Can someone explain to me how Leftwich went from a candidate that nobody wanted at first to someone a lot of ppl seem to be backing now?

Just seems kind of weird.

(01-25-2022, 07:09 AM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone explain to me how Leftwich went from a candidate that nobody wanted at first to someone a lot of ppl seem to be backing now? 

Just seems kind of weird.

At first I dismissed the idea.  I mean Arians and Brady, duh!   

After researching and hearing arguments made by others on the board I have warmed up to it a good deal.  

Pretty much, for me, I was uninformed. I wouldn’t be upset if it turned out to be Byron at all.  Just as long as it isn’t  Hackett or Bevel.

(01-25-2022, 08:03 AM)Jags Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2022, 07:09 AM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone explain to me how Leftwich went from a candidate that nobody wanted at first to someone a lot of ppl seem to be backing now? 

Just seems kind of weird.

At first I dismissed the idea.  I mean Arians and Brady, duh!   

After researching and hearing arguments made by others on the board I have warmed up to it a good deal.  

Pretty much, for me, I was uninformed. I wouldn’t be upset if it turned out to be Byron at all.  Just as long as it isn’t  Hackett or Bevel.

Or the colts d coordinator.  Please no

Leftwitch as  jags HC is a good,and bad idea.   Good cause he gets along with players very well,and he has played qb before.  Bad idea cause he is inexpirenced as HC. 


jags need a firey HC that has NFL expirence if they ever want to change the culture into a winning culture. the problom though is finding one who wants to coach in jacksonville espaissley with a gm no one likes.

(01-25-2022, 09:51 AM)snowwolf776 Wrote: [ -> ]Leftwitch as  jags HC is a good,and bad idea.   Good cause he gets along with players very well,and he has played qb before.  Bad idea cause he is inexpirenced as HC. 


jags need a firey HC that has NFL expirence if they ever want to change the culture into a winning culture. the problom though is finding one who wants to coach in jacksonville espaissley with a gm no one likes.

The only experienced head coaches out there are ones that have been fired from their last job.

Yeah its the age old truth. You dont have experience until you do. Jags need to take a little chance. It's not a huge risk.

(01-25-2022, 07:09 AM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone explain to me how Leftwich went from a candidate that nobody wanted at first to someone a lot of ppl seem to be backing now?

Just seems kind of weird.

I don't think anyone disliked him, but he wasn't tops on anyones list originally either. A lot of people wanted the experienced Caldwell/Pederson guy first or a different Daboll/Moore type first time HC. But I don't think anyone was flatly anti Byron.

Leftwich is a very intelligent man and has football acumen. His brain was never the problem as QB, it was mechanics.

He helped coach and game plan a top 5 offense before Brady’s arrival.

And this past Sunday. After a bad first half, he made adjustments in the scheme to slide more “chips” Brady’s way and help the offense get going. Simply put, what marrone failed to do in our AFC championship game; he didn’t adjust as the game changed with our lead evaporating. Leftwich impressed me. They almost had that game but Todd Bowles said nope.

He’s very well regarded and respected by players.

I have no problem with his hire, and in fact, I encourage it. This is not political, just an observation, but this league needs more diversity. I don’t just mean in terms of race (that’s important) , but in terms of the good old boy network, and diversity in background and coach farming. There’s constant retreads and closed wagons when it often comes to coaching. If the Rams had listened to conventional thinking they wouldn’t have hired a young, unproven McVay. If the Steelers had done the same, they wouldn’t have hired an up and coming but somewhat unproven Mike Tomlin.

I think, giving all these factors in mind, Leftwich should be the hire. He shows promise, has the acumen to help Trevor, and he’s a flexible and likeable guy who also brings a breath of fresh air to Jacksonville and the nfl in general.

^^ Diversity of thought the best diversity you can have.

I agree and that is a good summary. If Baalke sticks, I will be disappointed but I am down to see how the full off season goes. We can't have a repeat of 2021. Turn the page.

If Byron isn't wearing a jaguar pattern suit with spots this time, I'll be disappointed.

(01-25-2022, 10:30 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Leftwich is a very intelligent man and has football acumen. His brain was never the problem as QB, it was mechanics.

He helped coach and game plan a top 5 offense before Brady’s arrival.

And this past Sunday. After a bad first half, he made adjustments in the scheme to slide more “chips” Brady’s way and help the offense get going. Simply put, what marrone failed to do in our AFC championship game; he didn’t adjust as the game changed with our lead evaporating. Leftwich impressed me. They almost had that game but Todd Bowles said nope.

He’s very well regarded and respected by players.

I have no problem with his hire, and in fact, I encourage it. This is not political, just an observation, but this league needs more diversity. I don’t just mean in terms of race (that’s important) , but in terms of the good old boy network, and diversity in background and coach farming. There’s constant retreads and closed wagons when it often comes to coaching. If the Rams had listened to conventional thinking they wouldn’t have hired a young, unproven McVay. If the Steelers had done the same, they wouldn’t have hired an up and coming but somewhat unproven Mike Tomlin.

I think, giving all these factors in mind, Leftwich should be the hire. He shows promise, has the acumen to help Trevor, and he’s a flexible and likeable guy who also brings a breath of fresh air to Jacksonville and the nfl in general.

Is he? why is he willing to work with Baalke then? that says so much, I am not saying he will fail but after reading that I wouldn't be surprised at all if he does end up failing.

And NO, I am not saying Byron is dumb.

(01-25-2022, 11:16 AM)iHaunting Raven Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2022, 10:30 AM)SamusAranX Wrote: [ -> ]Leftwich is a very intelligent man and has football acumen. His brain was never the problem as QB, it was mechanics.

He helped coach and game plan a top 5 offense before Brady’s arrival.

And this past Sunday. After a bad first half, he made adjustments in the scheme to slide more “chips” Brady’s way and help the offense get going. Simply put, what marrone failed to do in our AFC championship game; he didn’t adjust as the game changed with our lead evaporating. Leftwich impressed me. They almost had that game but Todd Bowles said nope.

He’s very well regarded and respected by players.

I have no problem with his hire, and in fact, I encourage it. This is not political, just an observation, but this league needs more diversity. I don’t just mean in terms of race (that’s important) , but in terms of the good old boy network, and diversity in background and coach farming. There’s constant retreads and closed wagons when it often comes to coaching. If the Rams had listened to conventional thinking they wouldn’t have hired a young, unproven McVay. If the Steelers had done the same, they wouldn’t have hired an up and coming but somewhat unproven Mike Tomlin.

I think, giving all these factors in mind, Leftwich should be the hire. He shows promise, has the acumen to help Trevor, and he’s a flexible and likeable guy who also brings a breath of fresh air to Jacksonville and the nfl in general.

Is he? why is he willing to work with Baalke then? that says so much, I am not saying he will fail but after reading that I wouldn't be surprised at all if he does end up failing.

And NO, I am not saying Byron is dumb.

I don’t think you’re calling him dumb. Humility is part of intelligence; he may recognize that head coaching opportunities are rarely to be passed up. What if Brady leaves, the bucs lose many skill players, and the offense regresses against his will? It happens, and then he is no longer getting interviews next off-season. 

Also consider his options; NY and Chi are just as dysfunctional as this franchise but in their different ways. Fields is nowhere near the prospect that Lawrence is, and in NY he either finds a way to salvage Jones or start from scratch. Denver is in the midst of a potential sale and again, no good options at QB unless the sell the farm for Rodgers, who brings his own set of outside issues to the table. Minnesota is soon to be in cap hell and Cousins is what he is. 

perhaps behind the scenes he will be given some input on drafting and scouting as Meyer. Also keep in mind rumors have said either he brings in a GM or is willing to work with Baalke. Simply put, we don’t know which one will pan out, and the truth might in the middle somewhere. Perhaps Byron brings in a player personnel executive who works with Baalke, or the scenario I described above, where he has input and can be a check on Baalke that Meyer failed miserably to be.

I want Baalke gone, but I’ve accepted Khan is going to Khan as he always does. So a consolation prize would be getting a good up and coming coach to hopefully minimize the damage and provide sorely needed development to our young prospect at QB.

(01-25-2022, 07:09 AM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone explain to me how Leftwich went from a candidate that nobody wanted at first to someone a lot of ppl seem to be backing now? 

Just seems kind of weird.

No, there has been a concerted effort to sell all of us on Byron.  Anyone not falling in line gets twacked with comments like:
"he is smarter than you"
"You must have a personal issue or that sounds personal"
"He has been recommended by Arians"  (The only person to hire him in the NFL)
"Brady likes working with him"  (even though he overrides more than a few calls)
"You just don't like how he dresses" (A coach can dress how he wants. I am judging on performance.)
ETC

First all posts here on this subject are opinions. I prefer to think what traits should our new coach have. Mine is we need someone with prior experience, not a first time head coach. The coach has done it before and has a prior system not creating one for the first time.  We have taken plenty of chances in the last 10 years and where we are is the sum total of those chances taken.  We need a mature stable head coach players will play for with minimal griping. There will always be griping as long as the game keeps it's emotional side. This head coach should have his OWN vision of how the team should function. He should be able to arrive at the interview and explain the structure he feels we need to begin and what might change in the following years. He should have tentative commitments from other coaches to come work with him. If I were Kahn I almost would see this Head Coach as a bridge to put out this dumpster fire.

(01-25-2022, 07:09 AM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone explain to me how Leftwich went from a candidate that nobody wanted at first to someone a lot of ppl seem to be backing now? 

Just seems kind of weird.

I'm with you.  I've warmed a little bit based on watching him in interviews and I'll support him if hired, but I wouldn't be shocked either if we're coach shopping again in 2 to 3 years if it's him.  He may be able to coach offense, but can he effectively help develop a QB and can he run an organization?  I don't believe there's a track record for either and I think those two things are more important for the head guy to be able to do than just be able to coach offense.  We'll see.

(01-25-2022, 12:46 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2022, 07:09 AM)surfon Wrote: [ -> ]Can someone explain to me how Leftwich went from a candidate that nobody wanted at first to someone a lot of ppl seem to be backing now? 

Just seems kind of weird.

I'm with you.  I've warmed a little bit based on watching him in interviews and I'll support him if hired, but I wouldn't be shocked either if we're coach shopping again in 2 to 3 years if it's him.  He may be able to coach offense, but can he effectively help develop a QB and can he run an organization?  I don't believe there's a track record for either and I think those two things are more important for the head guy to be able to do than just be able to coach offense.  We'll see.

My biggest fear is with the situation we are in we will be setting ANY first year coach up to fail. That after all of their hard work to get where they are is just not right.

(01-25-2022, 12:53 PM)Jag149 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-25-2022, 12:46 PM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ]I'm with you.  I've warmed a little bit based on watching him in interviews and I'll support him if hired, but I wouldn't be shocked either if we're coach shopping again in 2 to 3 years if it's him.  He may be able to coach offense, but can he effectively help develop a QB and can he run an organization?  I don't believe there's a track record for either and I think those two things are more important for the head guy to be able to do than just be able to coach offense.  We'll see.

My biggest fear is with the situation we are in we will be setting ANY first year coach up to fail. That after all of their hard work to get where they are is just not right.

And not only run an organization, but turn around a dysfunctional one at that.  He'll have his work cut out for him which makes me a bit nervous for any first time head coach coming in.