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Maybe some naivete on my part but still feels like we'll get Leftwich and Wilson to me. If things were over with Leftwich I would think we'd hear news of talking to other teams if not officially interviewing with them. (sure you can say he would just go back to TB and become head coach in waiting but that's no guarantee long term). I would think if there are teams that are interested now, you never know when you'll get another chance to get a head coaching job. It's very likely the Khans never considered Adrian Wilson until Leftwich made demands. I'm sure doing the due diligence on him took time. I find it odd that the guy who works for the cardinals would tweet it and then come on local Jax radio saying it's a done deal. And if things have fallen though, I find it odd there has been no news whatsoever that that is the case. It's possible Khan had second thoughts and it's possible everyone has agreed to prevent any and all leaks. But I'm not sure why Leftwich's team would have any reason to keep that a secret though. And while I know we are all impatiently waiting, I'm not sure no news is necessarily bad news. The only thing we've really heard since thursday afternoon is that tweet earlier today about O'Connell. But that could easily be misinfo coming from any number of parties for any number of reasons. There could be any number of legitimate reasons why things are taking some time.

I don't know. Maybe Shad really is blowing this. Maybe he does have a weird allegiance to Baalke who is fighting tooth and nail to keep his job. I'm just surprised that if the Leftwich thing was over we wouldn't have heard that.

(01-30-2022, 06:09 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe some naivete on my part but still feels like we'll get Leftwich and Wilson to me.  If things were over with Leftwich I would think we'd hear news of talking to other teams if not officially interviewing with them.  (sure you can say he would just go back to TB and become head coach in waiting but that's no guarantee long term).  I would think if there are teams that are interested now, you never know when you'll get another chance to get a head coaching job.  It's very likely the Khans never considered Adrian Wilson until Leftwich made demands.  I'm sure doing the due diligence on him took time.  I find it odd that the guy who works for the cardinals would tweet it and then come on local Jax radio saying it's a done deal.  And if things have fallen though, I find it odd there has been no news whatsoever that that is the case.  It's possible Khan had second thoughts and it's possible everyone has agreed to prevent any and all leaks.  But I'm not sure why Leftwich's team would have any reason to keep that a secret though.  And while I know we are all impatiently waiting, I'm not sure no news is necessarily bad news.  The only thing we've really heard since thursday afternoon is that tweet earlier today about O'Connell.  But that could easily be misinfo coming from any number of parties for any number of reasons.  There could be any number of legitimate reasons why things are taking some time. 

I don't know.  Maybe Shad really is blowing this.  Maybe he does have a weird allegiance to Baalke who is fighting tooth and nail to keep his job.  I'm just surprised that if the Leftwich thing was over we wouldn't have heard that.

Yeah, i think they are close to announcing the first minority owner, GM, and HC combo in the history of the league and they just wanted to do their due diligence on Wilson first. 

I'm not going crazy with all the other strewn tea leaves.

(01-30-2022, 06:09 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe some naivete on my part but still feels like we'll get Leftwich and Wilson to me.  If things were over with Leftwich I would think we'd hear news of talking to other teams if not officially interviewing with them.  (sure you can say he would just go back to TB and become head coach in waiting but that's no guarantee long term).  I would think if there are teams that are interested now, you never know when you'll get another chance to get a head coaching job.  It's very likely the Khans never considered Adrian Wilson until Leftwich made demands.  I'm sure doing the due diligence on him took time.  I find it odd that the guy who works for the cardinals would tweet it and then come on local Jax radio saying it's a done deal.  And if things have fallen though, I find it odd there has been no news whatsoever that that is the case.  It's possible Khan had second thoughts and it's possible everyone has agreed to prevent any and all leaks.  But I'm not sure why Leftwich's team would have any reason to keep that a secret though.  And while I know we are all impatiently waiting, I'm not sure no news is necessarily bad news.  The only thing we've really heard since thursday afternoon is that tweet earlier today about O'Connell.  But that could easily be misinfo coming from any number of parties for any number of reasons.  There could be any number of legitimate reasons why things are taking some time. 

I don't know.  Maybe Shad really is blowing this.  Maybe he does have a weird allegiance to Baalke who is fighting tooth and nail to keep his job.  I'm just surprised that if the Leftwich thing was over we wouldn't have heard that.

Well said.

This is my hope too. Especially the part about vetting Wilson. If they indeed are taking what Byron said about wanting Wilson to heart, they still have to look into him instead of just taking his word (smart).

My only worry here is just the silence on all fronts which is where the pessimistic side creeps in because… well it’s the Jags.

(01-30-2022, 06:21 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 06:09 PM)rfc17 Wrote: [ -> ]Maybe some naivete on my part but still feels like we'll get Leftwich and Wilson to me.  If things were over with Leftwich I would think we'd hear news of talking to other teams if not officially interviewing with them.  (sure you can say he would just go back to TB and become head coach in waiting but that's no guarantee long term).  I would think if there are teams that are interested now, you never know when you'll get another chance to get a head coaching job.  It's very likely the Khans never considered Adrian Wilson until Leftwich made demands.  I'm sure doing the due diligence on him took time.  I find it odd that the guy who works for the cardinals would tweet it and then come on local Jax radio saying it's a done deal.  And if things have fallen though, I find it odd there has been no news whatsoever that that is the case.  It's possible Khan had second thoughts and it's possible everyone has agreed to prevent any and all leaks.  But I'm not sure why Leftwich's team would have any reason to keep that a secret though.  And while I know we are all impatiently waiting, I'm not sure no news is necessarily bad news.  The only thing we've really heard since thursday afternoon is that tweet earlier today about O'Connell.  But that could easily be misinfo coming from any number of parties for any number of reasons.  There could be any number of legitimate reasons why things are taking some time. 

I don't know.  Maybe Shad really is blowing this.  Maybe he does have a weird allegiance to Baalke who is fighting tooth and nail to keep his job.  I'm just surprised that if the Leftwich thing was over we wouldn't have heard that.

Well said.

This is my hope too. Especially the part about vetting Wilson. If they indeed are taking what Byron said about wanting Wilson to heart, they still have to look into him instead of just taking his word (smart).

My only worry here is just the silence on all fronts which is where the pessimistic side creeps in because… well it’s the Jags.

Same. Maybe it will correspond with the groundbreaking tomorrow. One can hope

I would love to think that’s the case, but surely Baalke would need to be let go before they could interview Wilson? Plus due to the Rooney rule they’d need to interview someone else for the GM job

(01-30-2022, 06:29 PM)Ordar Wrote: [ -> ]I would love to think that’s the case, but surely Baalke would need to be let go before they could interview Wilson? Plus due to the Rooney rule they’d need to interview someone else for the GM job

I don't know.  On one hand that makes sense to me.  But on the otherhand, why couldn't they hire him while Baalke is on the staff?  Why couldn't you have two GMs?  And if that isn't allowed, couldnt they change Baalke's title?  Would they need to announce that if they did?  We had Caldwell and Baalke on the staff at the same time.  I'm not sure what all the rules are around this but doesn't feel to me having Baalke on staff would prevent us from doing this.

So, just to note. Three first time head coaches remaining in the playoffs.

That is all.

(01-30-2022, 05:39 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 05:33 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: [ -> ]Urban Meyer was fired on December 16th.  Teams were allowed to interview coaches under contract on December 28th.  To be asking permission for a first interview with a candidate on January 30th is dysfunctional.

And if the Rams win later today, they can't even interview him until after the Super Bowl lololol. Assuming he'd even take the interview in the first place.

I'd rather take time and get this hire right so we don't waste the early prime of developing Trevor. I don't understand Baalke sticking around though, that part is the dysfunction the length of the coach search I could care less about.

(01-30-2022, 07:28 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]So, just to note.  Three first time head coaches remaining in the playoffs.

That is all.

Means about as much as two retread coaches in the Superbowl last year meant.

(01-30-2022, 07:46 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 05:39 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ]And if the Rams win later today, they can't even interview him until after the Super Bowl lololol. Assuming he'd even take the interview in the first place.

I'd rather take time and get this hire right so we don't waste the early prime of developing Trevor. I don't understand Baalke sticking around though, that part is the dysfunction the length of the coach search I could care less about.

I think the fallacy here is your assumption that simply because we are taking a long time means that we are doing it right.

Tomorrow is monday and it could be decision day tomorrow..

(01-30-2022, 08:14 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Tomorrow is monday and it could be decision day tomorrow..

I highly doubt it at this point. They want to interview O'Connell  which they can't do until after the Super Bowl I think.

(01-30-2022, 08:02 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 07:46 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]I'd rather take time and get this hire right so we don't waste the early prime of developing Trevor. I don't understand Baalke sticking around though, that part is the dysfunction the length of the coach search I could care less about.

I think the fallacy here is your assumption that simply because we are taking a long time means that we are doing it right.

I wouldn't say it means its right but I don't think that means its "wrong" per se. Especially because Khan stated upfront that this would be a long process. The lack of verifiable information is maddening. But I'd rather this odd holding period than to have committed to the wrong coach and know that it's going to be another 3-4 years of misery based on the certainty.

(01-30-2022, 07:58 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 07:28 PM)RicoTx Wrote: [ -> ]So, just to note.  Three first time head coaches remaining in the playoffs.

That is all.

Means about as much as two retread coaches in the Superbowl last year meant.

Well yeah.  That exactly my point.

(01-30-2022, 08:17 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 08:02 PM)Upper Wrote: [ -> ]I think the fallacy here is your assumption that simply because we are taking a long time means that we are doing it right.

I wouldn't say it means its right but I don't think that means its "wrong" per se. Especially because Khan stated upfront that this would be a long process. The lack of verifiable information is maddening. But I'd rather this odd holding period than to have committed to the wrong coach and know that it's going to be another 3-4 years of misery based on the certainty.

But they’re not interviewing anyone.

If they were still “searching”, why aren’t there interviews happening right now?

(01-30-2022, 08:23 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 08:17 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]I wouldn't say it means its right but I don't think that means its "wrong" per se. Especially because Khan stated upfront that this would be a long process. The lack of verifiable information is maddening. But I'd rather this odd holding period than to have committed to the wrong coach and know that it's going to be another 3-4 years of misery based on the certainty.

But they’re not interviewing anyone.

If they were still “searching”, why aren’t there interviews happening right now?

Do we know for certain that they aren't talking to anyone though?

(01-30-2022, 08:26 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 08:23 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]But they’re not interviewing anyone.

If they were still “searching”, why aren’t there interviews happening right now?

Do we know for certain that they aren't talking to anyone though?

Unless they’re the most secretive franchise in the NFL (which maybe they are because we haven’t heard anything in like 6 days), then most likely they’re not interviewing. The issue is you have to request permission and that never gets by anyone.

(01-30-2022, 08:31 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-30-2022, 08:26 PM)Firesky Wrote: [ -> ]Do we know for certain that they aren't talking to anyone though?

Unless they’re the most secretive franchise in the NFL (which maybe they are because we haven’t heard anything in like 6 days), then most likely they’re not interviewing. The issue is you have to request permission and that never gets by anyone.

We don't hear everything and some of what we hear is inaccurate. 

Assuming they are just sitting upon their hands is probably unwise. They are likely feeling the urgency.

I don't think they were sitting on their hands, I think they were redoubling back through their rolodex praying that they could find new candidates who might not recoil the second they are told that they are going to have the most hated man in the league forced upon them if they take the job.

Baalke was able to go back to his worst season in SF and find that there was a dude with the literal job of 'special projects support staff' named Kevin O'Connell who is now a semi hot up and coming coach. That is how deep into their pockets they are having to go to find someone who might have a history of working with Baalke and not hating him. And we don't even know that he doesn't hate him.