red zone stats similar to Burrow that make a player "elite"
28/41 68.3% yds 201 TD 13 INT 0
18/25 72.0% yds 130 TD 7 INT 0
Name the "elite" QBs with those stats
Red Zone efficiency is very complex, and should not be simplified down to base level stats
(11-01-2023, 11:32 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-30-2023, 06:59 PM)I am Yoda Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t care what anybody says. Trevor is the truth! Can’t wait to see his continued growth. He will be acclaimed with the same certainty and near reverence that Mahomes, Rodgers, Burrows, etc. are.
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This is getting out of hand... Trev is a good modern NFL QB but I would argue he is more of a "don't mess this up and hand it off when we're in scoring range" than a "carry us elite one" type QB. #gamemanager but used ironically? The copium you folks ingest is crazy. I'm going to give you folks a couple of redzone stat lines, you have to guess who is who
19/31 61.3% 110yds 3.5YPA 4TD 1 INT 0 Sacks 4 Rushes, 25 yards, 2 tds
12/23 52.2% 86yds 3.7YPA 4TD 1 INT 4 Sacks 5 rushes 10 yards, 0 tds
One is a journeymen backup on his 3rd team with 4 starts/7 games played so far. The other is "the franchise", and the best QB in the NFL to some of you. One was a 6th rounder, the other was picked 1st overall. Clearly, Trevor is the superior QB, I am not saying he isn't, but we can't pretend he's some super god tier QB when you are getting outplayed in the redzone by a journeymen backup on a 3 win team. For fun, this is what Burrow looks like inside the 20, who is having a rough start to the year due to injury.
27/37 73.0% 138yds 3.7YPA 9TD 1 INT 1 Sack 1 rush 3 yds 0 tds - 1 less game played btw.
There is no denying that Trevor is more or less just getting us close, and when we need a score the ball is out of his hands, I don't consider that elite, especially when your back has 7 tds vs 9 from your QB. Ouch.
Is this the guy that used to grab the lotion for minshew and has been crying since he left?
(11-01-2023, 03:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Personally? I blame Bigfoot.
Can't hear that name without seeing Antonio Silva's cauliflower ear explode in a fight. (Do not goog or tube)
(11-01-2023, 03:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Personally? I blame Bigfoot.
You know what they say about people with big feet........
(11-01-2023, 04:05 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 11:32 AM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: [ -> ]This is getting out of hand... Trev is a good modern NFL QB but I would argue he is more of a "don't mess this up and hand it off when we're in scoring range" than a "carry us elite one" type QB. #gamemanager but used ironically? The copium you folks ingest is crazy. I'm going to give you folks a couple of redzone stat lines, you have to guess who is who
19/31 61.3% 110yds 3.5YPA 4TD 1 INT 0 Sacks 4 Rushes, 25 yards, 2 tds
12/23 52.2% 86yds 3.7YPA 4TD 1 INT 4 Sacks 5 rushes 10 yards, 0 tds
One is a journeymen backup on his 3rd team with 4 starts/7 games played so far. The other is "the franchise", and the best QB in the NFL to some of you. One was a 6th rounder, the other was picked 1st overall. Clearly, Trevor is the superior QB, I am not saying he isn't, but we can't pretend he's some super god tier QB when you are getting outplayed in the redzone by a journeymen backup on a 3 win team. For fun, this is what Burrow looks like inside the 20, who is having a rough start to the year due to injury.
27/37 73.0% 138yds 3.7YPA 9TD 1 INT 1 Sack 1 rush 3 yds 0 tds - 1 less game played btw.
There is no denying that Trevor is more or less just getting us close, and when we need a score the ball is out of his hands, I don't consider that elite, especially when your back has 7 tds vs 9 from your QB. Ouch.
Is this the guy that used to grab the lotion for minshew and has been crying since he left?
Yup, that is indeed him. He has pretty much only dogged on Lawrence since we drafted him and sent his boy Minshew packing
(11-01-2023, 08:37 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]https://x.com/PFF_Jaguars/status/1719691...92912?s=20
So Trevor gets to the end zone more bypassing the whole red zone thing? I didn't see that factored in? I also hear Minshew is faster on and off the field than Treavor. Now that is a stat that is critical. TL needs to pick it up some.
(11-01-2023, 07:52 PM)Eric1 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 04:05 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]Is this the guy that used to grab the lotion for minshew and has been crying since he left?
Yup, that is indeed him. He has pretty much only dogged on Lawrence since we drafted him and sent his boy Minshew packing
That last jags/clots game must have been devastating for him.
(11-01-2023, 05:31 PM)StrayaJag Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2023, 03:17 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]Personally? I blame Bigfoot.
You know what they say about people with big feet........
IME, they break a LOT of toes in their awkward teenage years.
(11-02-2023, 12:59 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtu.be/dXYWjy1nsJ0?si=MKqGp18YML-0PT4W
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One part could just change the names: "And Press Taylor, every week it's easy to blame Press Taylor. How about [BLEEP] executing?" Seem like he was around here in September listening in.
(11-02-2023, 02:00 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2023, 12:59 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtu.be/dXYWjy1nsJ0?si=MKqGp18YML-0PT4W
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One part could just change the names: "And Press Taylor, every week it's easy to blame Press Taylor. How about [BLEEP] executing?" Seem like he was around here in September listening in.
Same thoughts on my end. Outside of that dumpster fire of a loss across all three phases to the tinhorns in week three. We were probably just a drive or two away from being 7 - 1 with a leg up on Kansas City back in week two. Had we just executed better in the redzone with the football in some of our receivers hands or catch radius.
I said it earlier but that game will come back to bite us in the [BLEEP]. You watch. We'll probably get the 2nd seed instead of the 1 seed now or they get the 3 seed and we get the 4 seed with the same overall record but they get the nod with the head-to-head win. Sucks. Would love to see an AFC Championship game played here in Jacksonville.
(11-02-2023, 02:00 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2023, 12:59 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtu.be/dXYWjy1nsJ0?si=MKqGp18YML-0PT4W
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One part could just change the names: "And Press Taylor, every week it's easy to blame Press Taylor. How about [BLEEP] executing?" Seem like he was around here in September listening in.
The red zone offense is a problem. The defense so far has helped us stay in games. Trevor Lawrence and ETN have helped our D by maintaining drives and giving our D time to rest and recover. But let's face it, we're not finishing drives.
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/re...coring-pct
We're 23rd in TDs when inside the Red Zone. That's been a problem all year that needs to be fixed.
The red zone thing will get sorted.
The way I see it - there are two major components and then a few other contributing factors.
Component One: STIPID MISTAKES & TURNOvERS
How many turnovers inside the 30 this year? 6? 7? 8? - Whatever it is - it's way too many. Half of them were boneheaded mistakes or crap luck. That won't stay on a trend all year.
Component Two - Xs and Os - Pederson tweaked the playbook a bit when he added Ridley/Strange and he hasn't found his perfect recipe with the goal line as a boundary yet. He will. Last year we saw the playcalling go through seasons of trends and minor installs throughout the year as they found their groove. And then it hit. I think we are seeing this again on a smaller scale. Obviously they alter their plan week to week according to opponent - but they are also constantly figuring out what works and what doesn't with the new personnel and the even more limited OL play. I anticipate this settling into something more efficient near the goal line soon.
(11-02-2023, 04:47 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The red zone thing will get sorted.
The way I see it - there are two major components and then a few other contributing factors.
Component One: STIPID MISTAKES & TURNOvERS
How many turnovers inside the 30 this year? 6? 7? 8? - Whatever it is - it's way too many. Half of them were boneheaded mistakes or crap luck. That won't stay on a trend all year.
Component Two - Xs and Os - Pederson tweaked the playbook a bit when he added Ridley/Strange and he hasn't found his perfect recipe with the goal line as a boundary yet. He will. Last year we saw the playcalling go through seasons of trends and minor installs throughout the year as they found their groove. And then it hit. I think we are seeing this again on a smaller scale. Obviously they alter their plan week to week according to opponent - but they are also constantly figuring out what works and what doesn't with the new personnel and the even more limited OL play. I anticipate this settling into something more efficient near the goal line soon.
I looked up the pass TDs for 2022 in the first 8 games and the pass TDs for 2023 for this current 8 games.
9 TDs in 2022. 10 TDs in so far in 2023.
Statistically the offense is right around where we were last year... Defensively... That's the thing that looks to be better.... Of course, we're comparing strength of teams that may not be the same. Even with that said, we're going into November on a high, yet our offense is in need of help. Pass protection is one issue. But proper play calling in the red zone is also something that is a problem that needs to be fixed.
(11-02-2023, 04:47 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The red zone thing will get sorted.
The way I see it - there are two major components and then a few other contributing factors.
Component One: STIPID MISTAKES & TURNOvERS
How many turnovers inside the 30 this year? 6? 7? 8? - Whatever it is - it's way too many. Half of them were boneheaded mistakes or crap luck. That won't stay on a trend all year.
Component Two - Xs and Os - Pederson tweaked the playbook a bit when he added Ridley/Strange and he hasn't found his perfect recipe with the goal line as a boundary yet. He will. Last year we saw the playcalling go through seasons of trends and minor installs throughout the year as they found their groove. And then it hit. I think we are seeing this again on a smaller scale. Obviously they alter their plan week to week according to opponent - but they are also constantly figuring out what works and what doesn't with the new personnel and the even more limited OL play. I anticipate this settling into something more efficient near the goal line soon.
Need to stack Cooks and Engram to one side. I want to see a look with that at least once this year. Line Cooks out wide and then motion Engram right on out next to him.
I think that would be fun. It's just a decoy though. It's really a toss sweep in that direction with Strange also pulling around the tackle. Preferably on Robinson's side.
(11-02-2023, 04:55 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2023, 04:47 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ]The red zone thing will get sorted.
The way I see it - there are two major components and then a few other contributing factors.
Component One: STIPID MISTAKES & TURNOvERS
How many turnovers inside the 30 this year? 6? 7? 8? - Whatever it is - it's way too many. Half of them were boneheaded mistakes or crap luck. That won't stay on a trend all year.
Component Two - Xs and Os - Pederson tweaked the playbook a bit when he added Ridley/Strange and he hasn't found his perfect recipe with the goal line as a boundary yet. He will. Last year we saw the playcalling go through seasons of trends and minor installs throughout the year as they found their groove. And then it hit. I think we are seeing this again on a smaller scale. Obviously they alter their plan week to week according to opponent - but they are also constantly figuring out what works and what doesn't with the new personnel and the even more limited OL play. I anticipate this settling into something more efficient near the goal line soon.
I looked up the pass TDs for 2022 in the first 8 games and the pass TDs for 2023 for this current 8 games.
9 TDs in 2022. 10 TDs in so far in 2023.
Statistically the offense is right around where we were last year... Defensively... That's the thing that looks to be better.... Of course, we're comparing strength of teams that may not be the same. Even with that said, we're going into November on a high, yet our offense is in need of help. Pass protection is one issue. But proper play calling in the red zone is also something that is a problem that needs to be fixed.
You need to look it up in the splits field location / red zone. Just TDs alone doesn't tell the story. In fact any stat won't tell the whole story.
I don't think it's the calls. It's installation of more effective stuff to the RZ package that needs to happen.
The two-headed monster is figuring out what works with new personnel (as stated above) and squashing the mistakes made by players in the RZ.
We probably have 4 or 5 more TDs right now if you wipe away the most egregious player errors made in the red zone.
I bet we will see Doug install more red zone plays that we haven't seen yet pretty soon. That isn't play calling. It's installation.
It happened last year too. He'll save his best stuff for the final push after learning/observing the tendencies of his offense.
I think it's coming soon enough.
(11-02-2023, 05:14 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: [ -> ] (11-02-2023, 04:55 PM)carp8dm Wrote: [ -> ]I looked up the pass TDs for 2022 in the first 8 games and the pass TDs for 2023 for this current 8 games.
9 TDs in 2022. 10 TDs in so far in 2023.
Statistically the offense is right around where we were last year... Defensively... That's the thing that looks to be better.... Of course, we're comparing strength of teams that may not be the same. Even with that said, we're going into November on a high, yet our offense is in need of help. Pass protection is one issue. But proper play calling in the red zone is also something that is a problem that needs to be fixed.
You need to look it up in the splits field location / red zone. Just TDs alone doesn't tell the story. In fact any stat won't tell the whole story.
I don't think it's the calls. It's installation of more effective stuff to the RZ package that needs to happen.
The two-headed monster is figuring out what works with new personnel (as stated above) and squashing the mistakes made by players in the RZ.
We probably have 4 or 5 more TDs right now if you wipe away the most egregious player errors made in the red zone.
I bet we will see Doug install more red zone plays that we haven't seen yet pretty soon. That isn't play calling. It's installation.
It happened last year too. He'll save his best stuff for the final push after learning/observing the tendencies of his offense.
I think it's coming soon enough.
Yep, agreed. Also 4-6 more if at the snap the opponents defensive line had not moved the line of scrimmage into our backfield.