The Lawrence train is getting ready to leave the station and bandwagon jumpers ain't getting on!
Just out of interest, is there anyone on here that doubts he's THE guy for us?
(08-30-2023, 09:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]The Lawrence train is getting ready to leave the station and bandwagon jumpers ain't getting on!
Just out of interest, is there anyone on here that doubts he's THE guy for us?
None. He had me concerned a little bit last year with the same mistakes coming up. Especially in the redzone with the INT's against the tinorns and Broncos. However, after it was all said and done, he finished the year with a whopping 8 INT's. That's nothing in my opinion. I think seeing single digit INT's in today's pass happy era of football is a major accomplishment for any QB really.
Also, it's not how you start, it's how you finish. I think if you look at the how team responded and rallied around him as a leader when they lost that game big time in Detroit? We had our guy. I still enjoy the road win highlights of the tacks game from last year. The Baltimore and Dallas games are going to down as legendary games in franchise history for me. He topped it off with the ultimate tale of two halves with the L.A Chargers play-off game.
I think this team is poised to be dominate and have long staying power in the AFC for the next decade+ provided we keep Lawrence and Pederson happy and on the same page together. Those are ultimately the two main keys to keep everything going. I think the redzone mistakes as a team last year that cost us some games in one score losses will be flipped completely this year and result in double digit wins potentially as a franchise.
It's hard not to be excited and impressed with how they looked during preseason. They looked like they were already in midseason form and that's with a newcomer in Ridley, Strange, Bigsby and Harrison on offense. That's all with a bit of a patchwork job along the offensive line. This team is [BLEEP] scary man on offense. Again, I expect a top five unit in the NFL and I fully expect Lawrence to more than likely be in the MVP discussion and race this year.
(08-30-2023, 09:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]The Lawrence train is getting ready to leave the station and bandwagon jumpers ain't getting on!
Just out of interest, is there anyone on here that doubts he's THE guy for us?
I actually think there are but not sure they’ll speak up.
And no, I’m not just referring to CJB.
(08-31-2023, 06:47 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2023, 09:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]The Lawrence train is getting ready to leave the station and bandwagon jumpers ain't getting on!
Just out of interest, is there anyone on here that doubts he's THE guy for us?
None. He had me concerned a little bit last year with the same mistakes coming up. Especially in the redzone with the INT's against the tinorns and Broncos. However, after it was all said and done, he finished the year with a whopping 8 INT's. That's nothing in my opinion. I think seeing single digit INT's in today's pass happy era of football is a major accomplishment for any QB really.
Also, it's not how you start, it's how you finish. I think if you look at the how team responded and rallied around him as a leader when they lost that game big time in Detroit? We had our guy. I still enjoy the road win highlights of the tacks game from last year. The Baltimore and Dallas games are going to down as legendary games in franchise history for me. He topped it off with the ultimate tale of two halves with the L.A Chargers play-off game.
I think this team is poised to be dominate and have long staying power in the AFC for the next decade+ provided we keep Lawrence and Pederson happy and on the same page together. Those are ultimately the two main keys to keep everything going. I think the redzone mistakes as a team last year that cost us some games in one score losses will be flipped completely this year and result in double digit wins potentially as a franchise.
It's hard not to be excited and impressed with how they looked during preseason. They looked like they were already in midseason form and that's with a newcomer in Ridley, Strange, Bigsby and Harrison on offense. That's all with a bit of a patchwork job along the offensive line. This team is [BLEEP] scary man on offense. Again, I expect a top five unit in the NFL and I fully expect Lawrence to more than likely be in the MVP discussion and race this year.
There were definitely bad plays and mistakes early on last year and they hurt us. I felt he lost a lot of confidence that rookie year and didn't get a lot of help or coaching to get him NFL ready. That's what I felt the start of last year was, a hangover from that rookie year but this time we had a HC that fixed those errors.
The way he improved through that mid-season stretch and against top teams in the league was seriously impressive. I watched the highlights of the game I Tennessee the other day and he was just fantastic and you just saw his confidence grow and the victories followed. That Chargers playoff game was almost a snapshot of his NFL career. A horrendous start but balling out and bringing it back. Was a real sight to see.
The AFC is going to be a crazy fight for the next few years. So many stong teams and so many great QB's but with Lawrence it feels like we are right in the pack with them. That's the key thing for me, we can challenge the Chiefs, Bengals, Bills etc and this is still a work in progress team, we are going to be in the mix for a good while. Doug and Lawrence are the key and it feels after searching for so long for a QB and a HC we've managed to find both at the same time.
I have high hopes for this season, I'm not saying SB but I'd consider Division round/AFCCG a successful season as it would be a sign of new expectations and standards for this team. Playoffs are always a lottery and I felt the big difference between us and the Chiefs (beside Mahomes being a freak) was that experience in big games and the playoffs so you never know.
(08-31-2023, 07:06 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2023, 09:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]The Lawrence train is getting ready to leave the station and bandwagon jumpers ain't getting on!
Just out of interest, is there anyone on here that doubts he's THE guy for us?
I actually think there are but not sure they’ll speak up.
And no, I’m not just referring to CJB.
You know, I think you may be right. Theres a few ive noticed. I'm sure they'll suddenly appear after Lawrence's first pick saying what a terrible decision it was and last year was a fluke.
(08-31-2023, 07:06 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ] (08-30-2023, 09:06 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]The Lawrence train is getting ready to leave the station and bandwagon jumpers ain't getting on!
Just out of interest, is there anyone on here that doubts he's THE guy for us?
I actually think there are but not sure they’ll speak up.
And no, I’m not just referring to CJB.
In our actual fanbase I don’t think so…
I do think there are a massive amount of trolls waiting for the slightest appearance of a slip up so they leap at the opportunity.
Mulling through any comments on Twitter if T-Law is mentioned and you will see just a ridiculous amount of unwarranted hate.
[BLEEP] them
(08-31-2023, 07:46 PM)JagsorDie Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2023, 07:06 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I actually think there are but not sure they’ll speak up.
And no, I’m not just referring to CJB.
In our actual fanbase I don’t think so…
I do think there are a massive amount of trolls waiting for the slightest appearance of a slip up so they leap at the opportunity.
Mulling through any comments on Twitter if T-Law is mentioned and you will see just a ridiculous amount of unwarranted hate.
[BLEEP] them
I've seen a little bit of that on there and when you look at the profile it's almost always a tack fan. Boy they're in for a miserable 15 years.
(08-31-2023, 07:37 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2023, 06:47 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]None. He had me concerned a little bit last year with the same mistakes coming up. Especially in the redzone with the INT's against the tinorns and Broncos. However, after it was all said and done, he finished the year with a whopping 8 INT's. That's nothing in my opinion. I think seeing single digit INT's in today's pass happy era of football is a major accomplishment for any QB really.
Also, it's not how you start, it's how you finish. I think if you look at the how team responded and rallied around him as a leader when they lost that game big time in Detroit? We had our guy. I still enjoy the road win highlights of the tacks game from last year. The Baltimore and Dallas games are going to down as legendary games in franchise history for me. He topped it off with the ultimate tale of two halves with the L.A Chargers play-off game.
I think this team is poised to be dominate and have long staying power in the AFC for the next decade+ provided we keep Lawrence and Pederson happy and on the same page together. Those are ultimately the two main keys to keep everything going. I think the redzone mistakes as a team last year that cost us some games in one score losses will be flipped completely this year and result in double digit wins potentially as a franchise.
It's hard not to be excited and impressed with how they looked during preseason. They looked like they were already in midseason form and that's with a newcomer in Ridley, Strange, Bigsby and Harrison on offense. That's all with a bit of a patchwork job along the offensive line. This team is [BLEEP] scary man on offense. Again, I expect a top five unit in the NFL and I fully expect Lawrence to more than likely be in the MVP discussion and race this year.
There were definitely bad plays and mistakes early on last year and they hurt us. I felt he lost a lot of confidence that rookie year and didn't get a lot of help or coaching to get him NFL ready. That's what I felt the start of last year was, a hangover from that rookie year but this time we had a HC that fixed those errors.
The way he improved through that mid-season stretch and against top teams in the league was seriously impressive. I watched the highlights of the game I Tennessee the other day and he was just fantastic and you just saw his confidence grow and the victories followed. That Chargers playoff game was almost a snapshot of his NFL career. A horrendous start but balling out and bringing it back. Was a real sight to see.
The AFC is going to be a crazy fight for the next few years. So many stong teams and so many great QB's but with Lawrence it feels like we are right in the pack with them. That's the key thing for me, we can challenge the Chiefs, Bengals, Bills etc and this is still a work in progress team, we are going to be in the mix for a good while. Doug and Lawrence are the key and it feels after searching for so long for a QB and a HC we've managed to find both at the same time.
I have high hopes for this season, I'm not saying SB but I'd consider Division round/AFCCG a successful season as it would be a sign of new expectations and standards for this team. Playoffs are always a lottery and I felt the big difference between us and the Chiefs (beside Mahomes being a freak) was that experience in big games and the playoffs so you never know.
(08-31-2023, 07:06 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]I actually think there are but not sure they’ll speak up.
And no, I’m not just referring to CJB.
You know, I think you may be right. Theres a few ive noticed. I'm sure they'll suddenly appear after Lawrence's first pick saying what a terrible decision it was and last year was a fluke.
I think the key with the Chiefs, Bengals and Bills is just playing keep away. We struggled last year sometimes running the football at will when we really wanted to or needed to. I think the goal in the offseason was to fix this issue.
They added Johnson and Bigsby to compliment Hasty and Etienne. They added a downhill blocker in Strange at TE that can also create some mismatches in the short to medium passing game once the run game does get good and we can sell the fakes and screens better.
Being able to chew up the clock, punch it in for six and put the pressure back on these QB's with less time on the clock gives our defense more opportunities to focus on getting after them. It's the defense that really needs to step it up in these matchups.
(08-31-2023, 10:29 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]
It's going to be really good moving forward. It'll be a true pick your poison type of offense for our opponents to figure out. The amount of [BLEEP] they can do personnel wise is really impressive. This is the best looking offense from top-down since the 1990's that we've had. Easily. We can now run it effectively, throw it anywhere at anytime, no lead is safe now, as Lawrence proved that in just his first play-off start and in multiple games last year to get us into the play-off's.
This is going to be fun. LOL.
(08-31-2023, 10:26 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2023, 07:37 PM)JagFan81 Wrote: [ -> ]There were definitely bad plays and mistakes early on last year and they hurt us. I felt he lost a lot of confidence that rookie year and didn't get a lot of help or coaching to get him NFL ready. That's what I felt the start of last year was, a hangover from that rookie year but this time we had a HC that fixed those errors.
The way he improved through that mid-season stretch and against top teams in the league was seriously impressive. I watched the highlights of the game I Tennessee the other day and he was just fantastic and you just saw his confidence grow and the victories followed. That Chargers playoff game was almost a snapshot of his NFL career. A horrendous start but balling out and bringing it back. Was a real sight to see.
The AFC is going to be a crazy fight for the next few years. So many stong teams and so many great QB's but with Lawrence it feels like we are right in the pack with them. That's the key thing for me, we can challenge the Chiefs, Bengals, Bills etc and this is still a work in progress team, we are going to be in the mix for a good while. Doug and Lawrence are the key and it feels after searching for so long for a QB and a HC we've managed to find both at the same time.
I have high hopes for this season, I'm not saying SB but I'd consider Division round/AFCCG a successful season as it would be a sign of new expectations and standards for this team. Playoffs are always a lottery and I felt the big difference between us and the Chiefs (beside Mahomes being a freak) was that experience in big games and the playoffs so you never know.
You know, I think you may be right. Theres a few ive noticed. I'm sure they'll suddenly appear after Lawrence's first pick saying what a terrible decision it was and last year was a fluke.
I think the key with the Chiefs, Bengals and Bills is just playing keep away. We struggled last year sometimes running the football at will when we really wanted to or needed to. I think the goal in the offseason was to fix this issue.
They added Johnson and Bigsby to compliment Hasty and Etienne. They added a downhill blocker in Strange at TE that can also create some mismatches in the short to medium passing game once the run game does get good and we can sell the fakes and screens better.
Being able to chew up the clock, punch it in for six and put the pressure back on these QB's with less time on the clock gives our defense more opportunities to focus on getting after them. It's the defense that really needs to step it up in these matchups.
That's a great point and I completely agree. It's a pass first league and RB's are getting kicked around right now money wise but running the ball and chewing clock are big weapons for teams, especially when you have O's that can get huge chunk plays in no time at all. Doug wants 2 TE's who can pass and block so you can use heavier packages but D's still need to play the pass and run. Like you say as well, you need to be able to get TD's. Settling for FG's isn't going to do it against the Chiefs
One other hope I have. I look around the AFC and the North, East and West look like really tough divisions. The rest of the South are rebuilding and depending how successful they are it could be competitive again soon but I think of the AFC North in the mid 2000's where you had the tough Steelers, Ravens and Bengals and they would beat the hell out of each other and usually 2 of them would meet in the playoffs, and whatever team of walking wounded was left for the next round usually got beaten as how much effort it had taken to get there.
Now the league isn't that physical anymore but if we can take this time of the South rebuilding and win 5-6 of our division games, I look at the rest of the AFC divisions and they all look like they are capable of beating each other. If we can use those extra wins advantage and rival teams beating each other, we can sneak up those seedings and I'm not saying #1 seed but trying to get as many home playoff games as we can.
Trevor is nice and everything, but Rourke has emerged as the true leader on this team.
(08-31-2023, 10:33 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2023, 10:29 PM)OG-JAGFAN Wrote: [ -> ]
It's going to be really good moving forward. It'll be a true pick your poison type of offense for our opponents to figure out. The amount of [BLEEP] they can do personnel wise is really impressive. This is the best looking offense from top-down since the 1990's that we've had. Easily. We can now run it effectively, throw it anywhere at anytime, no lead is safe now, as Lawrence proved that in just his first play-off start and in multiple games last year to get us into the play-off's.
This is going to be fun. LOL.
If our offense is indeed going to be top 5 in the league and I think it will be, are we collectively underestimating win totals around here? Our average defense may look a lot better when we get out to early leads and put the opponents in obvious passing situations earlier in the game than normal. I had us at 11 wins, but I'm starting to think that is the floor.
Edit: Barring significant injury of course.
(09-01-2023, 09:21 AM)Jaguarmeister Wrote: [ -> ] (08-31-2023, 10:33 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]It's going to be really good moving forward. It'll be a true pick your poison type of offense for our opponents to figure out. The amount of [BLEEP] they can do personnel wise is really impressive. This is the best looking offense from top-down since the 1990's that we've had. Easily. We can now run it effectively, throw it anywhere at anytime, no lead is safe now, as Lawrence proved that in just his first play-off start and in multiple games last year to get us into the play-off's.
This is going to be fun. LOL.
If our offense is indeed going to be top 5 in the league and I think it will be, are we collectively underestimating win totals around here? Our average defense may look a lot better when we get out to early leads and put the opponents in obvious passing situations earlier in the game than normal. I had us at 11 wins, but I'm starting to think that is the floor.
Yeah. I am saying 10 wins minimum this year. Anything short of double digit wins would be surprising. I think high end they could probably pull off 12 wins if they can snag some quality wins against the main five.
SF, KC, BUF, BAL and CIN.
It's the PIT, NO and CLE games that will be interesting as well. I just think our offense should kick us out of any jams in those contests.
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I’ll go out and admit I’m not 100% convinced he’s an elite qb. Yet.
I think he can become great but he needs to improvise still. I think he’s not there yet.
I’d give him a 70% chance that he’s a multi year pro bowler and leads top 5 offenses year in and year our, which is all we can expect at this stage..
But I do think there’s a 30% chance he becomes an inconsistent starter and eventually is replaced.
(09-01-2023, 09:03 PM)SuperJville Wrote: [ -> ]I’ll go out and admit I’m not 100% convinced he’s an elite qb. Yet.
I think he can become great but he needs to improvise still. I think he’s not there yet.
I’d give him a 70% chance that he’s a multi year pro bowler and leads top 5 offenses year in and year our, which is all we can expect at this stage..
But I do think there’s a 30% chance he becomes an inconsistent starter and eventually is replaced.
Shad gave Bortles multiple seasons to prove his worth and he didn't have the greatest stats to lead an offense. Trevor was hailed as one of the best prospects out of college and has shown he can win the crowd and can come back from a 27 point deficit in the playoffs. I think Trevor has proven himself more than Bortles
(09-01-2023, 09:03 AM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: [ -> ]Trevor is nice and everything, but Rourke has emerged as the true leader on this team.
I guess he will have to do his leading from the cheap seats then.
(09-01-2023, 11:22 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtu.be/lFgGAA34od8?si=AuLxu6JDPWHgdErf
I couldn't help but notice in the top left portion of his screen it says Lawrence SB preseason. Looks like Kurt accidently leaked the script for this season. Jags superbowl baby!
(09-02-2023, 12:45 PM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-01-2023, 11:22 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: [ -> ]https://youtu.be/lFgGAA34od8?si=AuLxu6JDPWHgdErf
I couldn't help but notice in the top left portion of his screen it says Lawrence SB preseason. Looks like Kurt accidently leaked the script for this season. Jags superbowl baby!
With the Billions bet in Vegas combined with the NFL partnership with gambling... It's questionable.
There were millions lost with that Myles Jack afc championship fumble return robbery.