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(12-11-2023, 01:43 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I've actually been loving the aggressiveness and taking shots downfield. Never a huge fan of calling a deep shot like that in short yardage situations but whatever. I'd rather them be trying to take shots consistently than the dink and dunk [BLEEP] we used to see, especially with a QB like Trevor.

He's been one of the best, if not, the best at going downfield this year. That's with piss poor pass protection, limited time in the pocket, with a sprained knee and now sprained ankle. 

If they can just give this kid a better pocket more consistently? And, get the damn ground game going again? He would probably be a [BLEEP] menace to society out there. He's starting to show his teeth a little more with this team around him. 

I love it. He's got a lot of love for the game. He wants to win. It's just up to this damn front office man to fix this [BLEEP] around him. Going into year four, this shouldn't even be a hot topic or a debatable topic. It's all out there for everybody to see. 

Outside of Harrison at RT? You have four questionable spots on that offensive line. You might have one of the guard spots fixed with Cleveland if you can bring him back but I have little faith in Little long term at LT with his durability, Fortner's overall lack of strength in the middle and Scherff's not getting any younger. 

So, very real possibility that this team has to somehow be aggressive in free agency and the draft next year, but, failure to secure two to three potential starters to challenge this current dog [BLEEP] line-up will result in the same exact issues once again for the fourth consecutive year. 

If I was Khan? I wouldn't tolerate that [BLEEP]. I would be on Baalke RIGHT NOW like stink on [BLEEP] for failing to get the line up to AVERAGE standards. AVERAGE. [BLEEP] AVERAGE. This line is BELOW that standard. No excuses. That's pathetic! Unreal!

Clevland and Harrison are pretty dang good.

schreff and Fortner and shatley are not them.

hance played well at LT being like the 5th option.

little is mixed reactions plays well sometimes other times he doesn't his fundamental's are off as being a big guy reason he gets pushed back.

(12-11-2023, 01:30 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-11-2023, 12:37 PM)p_rushing Wrote: [ -> ]He needed to call out the play call and/or the decision to throw it up for a jump ball when they needed a 1st down. This wasn't an unmake-able 3rd down that needed a jump ball and he wasn't open to throw it anyways.

They have got to stop trying to go deep and all the routes outside the numbers.

I am split on this line of thinking. 

For starters, I never want my QB being gun shy, that's for sure. If you see an opportunity and you like it? Take it. On that 3rd and 1 play in that particular situation? I would be more curious to know what the initial play call was because it looks like he checked out of it. It was enough to get him to walk over to Engram and try and say something to Ridley. 

I think it was a bad decision there. For two reasons. Game was well within reach there. You only needed 1 yard to pick up the 1st. You were already in a hole to begin with due to issues earlier in the game with not being on the same page. Why tempt fate there once again? Especially, with, well, the #1 defense in the NFL in their territory? It was just bad all the way around. 

I would understand the shot being taken there if you were on the other side of the 50 at that point and you were more than likely going to go for it on 4th and 1 if that decision failed, but, that's just bad situational awareness with a bad throw against a really good defense. 

I think, if you go back and look at the Bills game in London. That's the same shot he called and took with Ridley to ice it when the Bills were beginning to rally a bit late with Allen. I get it. They've been there and done that. 

It's tough man. Really tough. Losses suck. They especially suck when they're that close in back-to-back weeks and it's a culmination of every squad finding a way to have a "hold my beer" moment on every other possession. Good and bad.

I'm not against deep shots but the routes can't always be the same. On 3rd and 1, it's fine to throw it deep if the WR is open. The issue is that everyone saw the blitz coming and that was the play that was checked to? Where were the RB slipping to the flat, the TE going 1 yard to find the open spot? Trevor knew it was coming and knew they only needed 1 yard.

The focus in practice and gameplan has to be to throw it deep. It just doesn't make any sense to try it without also having routes underneath.

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(12-11-2023, 01:43 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I've actually been loving the aggressiveness and taking shots downfield. Never a huge fan of calling a deep shot like that in short yardage situations but whatever. I'd rather them be trying to take shots consistently than the dink and dunk [BLEEP] we used to see, especially with a QB like Trevor.

I HATE it.   Steelers have thought this way for years, while Tom Bradey was always about moving the chains.   3rd and 2?  Throw the dang ball 5 yards.

In Trevors defense, I don't think our wide outs are good enough to consistently get open.

No rhythm with Zay. Missed connections with Ridley. Engram and Kirk are most reliable but with injuries to Lawrence, OL, Kirk, and limited Etienne--offense is puttering. Don't think offense has reached its potential this season

(12-11-2023, 02:53 PM)AnOldBrownie Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-11-2023, 01:43 PM)imtheblkranger Wrote: [ -> ]I've actually been loving the aggressiveness and taking shots downfield. Never a huge fan of calling a deep shot like that in short yardage situations but whatever. I'd rather them be trying to take shots consistently than the dink and dunk [BLEEP] we used to see, especially with a QB like Trevor.

In Trevors defense, I don't think our wide outs are good enough to consistently get open.

You'd be a horrible defensive attorney with this horrible take.

(12-11-2023, 08:54 PM)Haterade Wrote: [ -> ]No rhythm with Zay. Missed connections with Ridley. Engram and Kirk are most reliable but with injuries to Lawrence, OL, Kirk, and limited Etienne--offense is puttering. Don't think offense has reached its potential this season

I agree the O hasn't it reached its potential this year and it's not all down the Oline, but that's been the biggest factor. Lawrence is constantly under pressure so plays are getting rushed or he's having to scramble and make plays on the fly. Because the Oline is struggling, they are calling short plays which makes it easier for D's and they crowd the line.

That's had a knock on effect to the whole O and then you factor in injuries and it doesn't feel we've been able to execute the O they envisioned for most of the year.

It's been disappointing not to see them find a way to fix the problems or find a way to make things work but it's getting to the business end of the season and we need players to start finding ways to make good things happen

Offense better get their stuff together !

(12-12-2023, 07:17 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Offense better get their stuff together !

They scored 31 on MNF and scored 27 on Sunday with a short week and injuries across the board, including Lawrence dealing with a knee and ankle injury on the same leg. With limited practice...

Not sure it's the offense that needs to get it's [BLEEP] together. It's the defense more than anything. They've been getting gashed, made fools out of with blown coverages and embarrassed by literally nobody's or washed up Quarterbacks as of recently. 

31 points and 27 points should be enough to win football games in the NFL...

This is the same offense with a [BLEEP] box offensive line and [BLEEP] box running game. Lawrence is essentially making magic out of lunch meat out there at the moment and the defense needs to return the favor by doing the same.

We know the line is bad with the exception of Allen and Walker along with Oluokon playing like a man possessed at times in the middle and thrall of it all. Hate to say it, but, those three guys will need to continue to play with Herculean efforts or more over these last four games because it seems like nobody else in the back seven is going to do it.

(12-12-2023, 07:30 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-12-2023, 07:17 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Offense better get their stuff together !

They scored 31 on MNF and scored 27 on Sunday with a short week and injuries across the board, including Lawrence dealing with a knee and ankle injury on the same leg. With limited practice...

Not sure it's the offense that needs to get it's [BLEEP] together. It's the defense more than anything. They've been getting gashed, made fools out of with blown coverages and embarrassed by literally nobody's or washed up Quarterbacks as of recently. 

31 points and 27 points should be enough to win football games in the NFL...

This is the same offense with a [BLEEP] box offensive line and [BLEEP] box running game. Lawrence is essentially making magic out of lunch meat out there at the moment and the defense needs to return the favor by doing the same.

We know the line is bad with the exception of Allen and Walker along with Oluokon playing like a man possessed at times in the middle and thrall of it all. Hate to say it, but, those three guys will need to continue to play with Herculean efforts or more over these last four games because it seems like nobody else in the back seven is going to do it.

Lloyd has played very well this year.

(12-12-2023, 07:30 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-12-2023, 07:17 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Offense better get their stuff together !

They scored 31 on MNF and scored 27 on Sunday with a short week and injuries across the board, including Lawrence dealing with a knee and ankle injury on the same leg. With limited practice...

Not sure it's the offense that needs to get it's [BLEEP] together. It's the defense more than anything. They've been getting gashed, made fools out of with blown coverages and embarrassed by literally nobody's or washed up Quarterbacks as of recently. 

31 points and 27 points should be enough to win football games in the NFL...

This is the same offense with a [BLEEP] box offensive line and [BLEEP] box running game. Lawrence is essentially making magic out of lunch meat out there at the moment and the defense needs to return the favor by doing the same.

We know the line is bad with the exception of Allen and Walker along with Oluokon playing like a man possessed at times in the middle and thrall of it all. Hate to say it, but, those three guys will need to continue to play with Herculean efforts or more over these last four games because it seems like nobody else in the back seven is going to do it.

Yeah the blown coverages on defense and lack of pressures.

(12-13-2023, 05:03 AM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-12-2023, 07:30 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]They scored 31 on MNF and scored 27 on Sunday with a short week and injuries across the board, including Lawrence dealing with a knee and ankle injury on the same leg. With limited practice...

Not sure it's the offense that needs to get it's [BLEEP] together. It's the defense more than anything. They've been getting gashed, made fools out of with blown coverages and embarrassed by literally nobody's or washed up Quarterbacks as of recently. 

31 points and 27 points should be enough to win football games in the NFL...

This is the same offense with a [BLEEP] box offensive line and [BLEEP] box running game. Lawrence is essentially making magic out of lunch meat out there at the moment and the defense needs to return the favor by doing the same.

We know the line is bad with the exception of Allen and Walker along with Oluokon playing like a man possessed at times in the middle and thrall of it all. Hate to say it, but, those three guys will need to continue to play with Herculean efforts or more over these last four games because it seems like nobody else in the back seven is going to do it.

Lloyd has played very well this year.

Don't try to gaslight us. He's on the level of guys like Travon, if everything around him is going well he can contribute, but he doesn't make plays above the X's and O's.

He's probably good as off the ball linebackers go, but he's also proof that the position has very low value and shouldn't be drafted high if good players are available at other more valuable positions.

Lloyd is emblematic of Baalke's failure.

(12-13-2023, 09:11 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2023, 05:03 AM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]Lloyd has played very well this year.

Don't try to gaslight us. He's on the level of guys like Travon, if everything around him is going well he can contribute, but he doesn't make plays above the X's and O's.

He's probably good as off the ball linebackers go, but he's also proof that the position has very low value and shouldn't be drafted high if good players are available at other more valuable positions.

Lloyd is emblematic of Baalke's failure.

Lloyd is a good player but again... Baalke just keeps drafting players at positions where he just spent money.

Sign Oluokon? Let's draft Muma and Ventrell Miller!

The BAP crowd is awfully quiet as they watch players who had high draft capital sit the bench. Bigsby, Muma and Strange all just sit there or barely contribute every single week. Sure would have been nice to draft someone like Karlaftis or Mafe or Lucas instead of picking players who won't contribute.

(12-13-2023, 10:05 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2023, 09:11 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Don't try to gaslight us. He's on the level of guys like Travon, if everything around him is going well he can contribute, but he doesn't make plays above the X's and O's.

He's probably good as off the ball linebackers go, but he's also proof that the position has very low value and shouldn't be drafted high if good players are available at other more valuable positions.

Lloyd is emblematic of Baalke's failure.

Lloyd is a good player but again... Baalke just keeps drafting players at positions where he just spent money.

Sign Oluokon? Let's draft Muma and Ventrell Miller!

The BAP crowd is awfully quiet as they watch players who had high draft capital sit the bench. Bigsby, Muma and Strange all just sit there or barely contribute every single week. Sure would have been nice to draft someone like Karlaftis or Mafe or Lucas instead of picking players who won't contribute.

Yep. [BLEEP] makes me ill.

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(12-13-2023, 05:03 AM)jessepeck1213 Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-12-2023, 07:30 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]They scored 31 on MNF and scored 27 on Sunday with a short week and injuries across the board, including Lawrence dealing with a knee and ankle injury on the same leg. With limited practice...

Not sure it's the offense that needs to get it's [BLEEP] together. It's the defense more than anything. They've been getting gashed, made fools out of with blown coverages and embarrassed by literally nobody's or washed up Quarterbacks as of recently. 

31 points and 27 points should be enough to win football games in the NFL...

This is the same offense with a [BLEEP] box offensive line and [BLEEP] box running game. Lawrence is essentially making magic out of lunch meat out there at the moment and the defense needs to return the favor by doing the same.

We know the line is bad with the exception of Allen and Walker along with Oluokon playing like a man possessed at times in the middle and thrall of it all. Hate to say it, but, those three guys will need to continue to play with Herculean efforts or more over these last four games because it seems like nobody else in the back seven is going to do it.

Lloyd has played very well this year.

He's had his moments in coverage this year and led the team a few times in games in tackles. Oluokon is so good I forget Lloyd is out there sometimes until he makes a play on the ball. Not sure if he's still working through that hand injury earlier this year, but, yes, in fairness, he's been A TON better than what happened last year.

(12-13-2023, 10:05 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2023, 09:11 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Don't try to gaslight us. He's on the level of guys like Travon, if everything around him is going well he can contribute, but he doesn't make plays above the X's and O's.

He's probably good as off the ball linebackers go, but he's also proof that the position has very low value and shouldn't be drafted high if good players are available at other more valuable positions.

Lloyd is emblematic of Baalke's failure.

Lloyd is a good player but again... Baalke just keeps drafting players at positions where he just spent money.

Sign Oluokon? Let's draft Muma and Ventrell Miller!

The BAP crowd is awfully quiet as they watch players who had high draft capital sit the bench. Bigsby, Muma and Strange all just sit there or barely contribute every single week. Sure would have been nice to draft someone like Karlaftis or Mafe or Lucas instead of picking players who won't contribute.

As time wears on, Baalke's drafting reveals plenty of errors.  (Lloyd was not one of them)
Baalke has some good hits too, which make it tough to gauge overall. Finding a good GM is no small feat and that makes letting the decent ones go difficult. This is likely the crossroads Khan and company will be facing this offseason or the next. Big decision. 

The 2021 draft certainly had better prospects available in the 4th and 5th rounds than the three guys we selected. Several of whom are having productive careers. Although , Farrell was in that group and looks like he might be turning the corner a bit now that he's got some NFL experience and become a bit stronger blocking. 

The 22 draft obviously has the question mark Walker pick, but the 3rd - 5th round all look like errors currently. 
There wasn't a wealth of talent there available but there were backup DBs and an upgrade at nickel available. 
Also a pretty good TE and a solid #2 receiver fell to other teams in that range. 

2023 obviously has the mistake of passing on a quality OL prospect for a trade down and reach for a TE. 
Hopefully the rookie comes around, but... we'll see I guess. 

There may be hope yet for the running back in time, but using a third rd pick when you had a bevy of late selections on the position was sketchy. 

The 4th round pick of on ILB when we had a glut on the depth chart there is pretty unforgivable in my book. But it's too early to tell what we may have missed out on from that class. May not have been much available. 

Anyway - I'm on the fence about Baalke but watching these questionable picks closely to evaluate his efforts.
What he gets done with contracts and cap management this offseason will be important as well-  assuming he's around.

(12-13-2023, 10:05 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2023, 09:11 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Don't try to gaslight us. He's on the level of guys like Travon, if everything around him is going well he can contribute, but he doesn't make plays above the X's and O's.

He's probably good as off the ball linebackers go, but he's also proof that the position has very low value and shouldn't be drafted high if good players are available at other more valuable positions.

Lloyd is emblematic of Baalke's failure.

Lloyd is a good player but again... Baalke just keeps drafting players at positions where he just spent money.

Sign Oluokon? Let's draft Muma and Ventrell Miller!

The BAP crowd is awfully quiet as they watch players who had high draft capital sit the bench. Bigsby, Muma and Strange all just sit there or barely contribute every single week. Sure would have been nice to draft someone like Karlaftis or Mafe or Lucas instead of picking players who won't contribute.

Why do you think those players were bap?

If they were actually bap they would be contributing because this isn't a team stocked with overpowering talent.

Guys like that are the result of terrible planning and no ability to evaluate talent.

(12-13-2023, 11:56 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2023, 10:05 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]Lloyd is a good player but again... Baalke just keeps drafting players at positions where he just spent money.

Sign Oluokon? Let's draft Muma and Ventrell Miller!

The BAP crowd is awfully quiet as they watch players who had high draft capital sit the bench. Bigsby, Muma and Strange all just sit there or barely contribute every single week. Sure would have been nice to draft someone like Karlaftis or Mafe or Lucas instead of picking players who won't contribute.

Why do you think those players were bap?

If they were actually bap they would be contributing because this isn't a team stocked with overpowering talent.

Guys like that are the result of terrible planning and no ability to evaluate talent.

What other reason would there be to draft Muma after already paying Foye and then trading up for Lloyd?

(12-12-2023, 07:30 PM)Caldrac Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-12-2023, 07:17 PM)Jag88 Wrote: [ -> ]Offense better get their stuff together !

They scored 31 on MNF and scored 27 on Sunday with a short week and injuries across the board, including Lawrence dealing with a knee and ankle injury on the same leg. With limited practice...

Not sure it's the offense that needs to get it's [BLEEP] together. It's the defense more than anything. They've been getting gashed, made fools out of with blown coverages and embarrassed by literally nobody's or washed up Quarterbacks as of recently. 

31 points and 27 points should be enough to win football games in the NFL...

This is the same offense with a [BLEEP] box offensive line and [BLEEP] box running game. Lawrence is essentially making magic out of lunch meat out there at the moment and the defense needs to return the favor by doing the same.

We know the line is bad with the exception of Allen and Walker along with Oluokon playing like a man possessed at times in the middle and thrall of it all. Hate to say it, but, those three guys will need to continue to play with Herculean efforts or more over these last four games because it seems like nobody else in the back seven is going to do it.

Agreed; early in the season the defense was playing lights out (with a couple of exceptions), but now it seems to have been somewhat exposed.

(12-13-2023, 12:22 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: [ -> ]

(12-13-2023, 11:56 AM)SeldomRite Wrote: [ -> ]Why do you think those players were bap?

If they were actually bap they would be contributing because this isn't a team stocked with overpowering talent.

Guys like that are the result of terrible planning and no ability to evaluate talent.

What other reason would there be to draft Muma after already paying Foye and then trading up for Lloyd?

Considering how Baalke has continued to draft linebackers and his disastrous period in San Francisco I'd assume he has a very misguided idea about positional value married with an inability to evaluate ability.

If you're saying his history is some kind of indictment of BAP drafting then you're misguided. His problem isn't that he's trying to draft great players regardless of perceived need, his problem is he doesn't know who the great players are.